Time to ‘Stop’ Zelensky!

Harry Leggs

Super Member
I have relatives in Ukraine and learned Ukrainian culture and history as a child.
Yeah sure. Are they starving and freezing to death as they sit in the dark with no electricity? The least you could do is send them a couple hundred on your credit card so they do not die from the continuation of the war you support.

Start a gofundme for the continuation of the war in Ukraine. They have only been at each others throats for hundreds of years.
As already pointed out, your nonwestern source is actually quite dependent on Russia, so is not unbiased.
India is the largest Democracy in the world and they are threatened by Biden stupid retreat from Kabul in Aug 21. Leaving behind $85 billion in US weaponry for the Jihadis to use against India western front. Besides India gets it oil from Russia. it is not like India can depend on the U.S. under Biden who prefers preference to Chinese communists over Democratic India> By the way, China threatens India from Tibet on its eastern side. I don't see Biden doing much about that preferring corrupt Ukraine over helping the largest Democracy in the world.
 
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Harry Leggs

Super Member
It's the opinion of the Ukrainians. The only opinion that matters.
There won't be any Ukrainians left, Einstein. How many more Ukrainian men have to die? A couple million? Winter is coming, no fuel, no electricity, no food? I thought Ukraine was winning? Pushing the Ruskies back? Ruskie soldiers going AWOL? Why the change now?
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
- bombing Ukraine into submission isn't working
And you know that how?
- Nuclear warfare propaganda has lost momentum
- conscripts are not providing the professional Russian war-fighter needed to win war

However, a surrender hotline for Russian soldiers is making a difference.

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Sounds like this is all overrated western nonsense. Russia is doing just fine, It is Ukraine that is suffering.

 
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vibise

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Yeah sure. Are they starving and freezing to death as they sit in the dark with no electricity? The least you could do is send them a couple hundred on your credit card so they do not die from the continuation of the war you support.

Start a gofundme for the continuation of the war in Ukraine. They have only been at each others throats for hundreds of years.

India is the largest Democracy in the world and they are threatened by Biden stupid retreat from Kabul in Aug 21. Leaving behind $85 billion in US weaponry for the Jihadis to use against India western front. Besides India gets it oil from Russia. it is not like India can depend on the U.S. under Biden who prefers preference to Chinese communists over Democratic India
I actually have sent money to support Ukrainians and Ukraine.
What have you done, except advocate for them to become vassals of Russia?
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
Ukraine is suffering because of what Russia is doing to them.
Ukraine is suffering because of Joe Biden and half-wit warmongers with you as their unpaid mouthpiece. Russia will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine and their stipulations on that is reasonable.
But you want to reward Russia for this?!?
I want the war to stop which will save lives. I want the US out of Ukraine and back home where we have our own problems with our southern borders. We have human trafficking of minor females from the south as sex slaves under Biden watch and Biden is doing zilch about that.
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Fox News contributor and investigative reporter Sara Carter joined "Hannity" Thursday in an exclusive report to discuss how sex trafficking operations have exploited migrant women at the U.S. southern border.

"We're talking about children as young as eight years old, sold into prostitution. It's just horrific," Carter said.

"Across the globe, more than 25 million people are subjected to human trafficking and slavery. In the United States, it's tens of thousands," she continued. "When you think about the number of people coming across the border and flooding into our cities, those that we don't even know … even those that have been apprehended. Women and children who are being released and Border Patrol agents … I've reported on this in the past, have said we release them and we don't even know if these are their real families."

We had a human trafficking operation that was going on and we had some women that would become pregnant in this particular case. … One of them was actually eight months pregnant and being forced to engage in sex for money here," Cummings said.

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All the moaning and groaning from hypocritical leftists about slavery in the Bible and here it is in our own country with minor females and you phonies want to send more money to Ukraine?
 
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Harry Leggs

Super Member
What have you done,
I voted for Trump. If Trump was Pres, this thing would either be over or never started. All this BS with Ukraine happened in 2014 and 2/2022 under corrupt Joe Biden and son. The border would be secure, we would be energy independent and there would be far less brothels loaded with underage female sex slaves in southern states. Business must be booming with rapists having their pick of underage females to sexually assault. The drug cartels love Joe Biden. 😍
except advocate for them to become vassals of Russia?
They need to be at peace with Russia which means dealing with them. It needs to de-escalate.
 
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vibise

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Ukraine is suffering because of Joe Biden and half-wit warmongers with you as their unpaid mouthpiece. Russia will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine and their stipulations on that is reasonable.

I want the war to stop which will save lives. I want the US out of Ukraine and back home where we have our own problems with our southern borders. We have human trafficking of minor females from the south as sex slaves under Biden watch and Biden is doing zilch about that.
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Fox News contributor and investigative reporter Sara Carter joined "Hannity" Thursday in an exclusive report to discuss how sex trafficking operations have exploited migrant women at the U.S. southern border.

"We're talking about children as young as eight years old, sold into prostitution. It's just horrific," Carter said.

"Across the globe, more than 25 million people are subjected to human trafficking and slavery. In the United States, it's tens of thousands," she continued. "When you think about the number of people coming across the border and flooding into our cities, those that we don't even know … even those that have been apprehended. Women and children who are being released and Border Patrol agents … I've reported on this in the past, have said we release them and we don't even know if these are their real families."

We had a human trafficking operation that was going on and we had some women that would become pregnant in this particular case. … One of them was actually eight months pregnant and being forced to engage in sex for money here," Cummings said.

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All the moaning and groaning from hypocritical leftists about slavery in the Bible and here it is in our own country with minor females and you phonies want to send more money to Ukraine?
No, Russia does not get to determine if Ukraine affiliates with NATO.

And Ukraine is suffering because Russia invaded and has been killing, raping and torturing civilians and destroying infrastructure specifically to make life hard for Ukrainians.

This thread is about Ukraine, not our southern border.
 

vibise

Well-known member
I voted for Trump. If Trump was Pres, this thing would either be over or never started. All this BS with Ukraine happened in 2014 and 2/2022 under corrupt Joe Biden and son. The border would be secure, we would be energy independent and there would be far less brothels loaded with underage female sex slaves in southern states. Business must be booming with rapists having their pick of underage females to sexually assault. The drug cartels love Joe Biden. 😍

They need to be at peace with Russia which means dealing with them. It needs to de-escalate.
If Trump was Pres, Putin would have taken over Ukraine. After all, at the beginning of the invasion, Trump said this was "smart" and "savvy". Trump would not have rallied our western allies to stand up to Putin like Biden did.
 

vibise

Well-known member
I voted for Trump. If Trump was Pres, this thing would either be over or never started. All this BS with Ukraine happened in 2014 and 2/2022 under corrupt Joe Biden and son. The border would be secure, we would be energy independent and there would be far less brothels loaded with underage female sex slaves in southern states. Business must be booming with rapists having their pick of underage females to sexually assault. The drug cartels love Joe Biden. 😍

They need to be at peace with Russia which means dealing with them. It needs to de-escalate.
Why do we need to placate Russia, an aggressive invader of other countries? And subjugator of its own people.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
No, Russia does not get to determine if Ukraine affiliates with NATO.
Actually they do and you were answered on that earlier and ignored with Kennedy and Cuba.You do not get to tell Russia what to do in their neck of the woods.
And Ukraine is suffering because Russia invaded and has been killing, raping and torturing civilians and destroying infrastructure specifically to make life hard for Ukrainians.
What do you think happens in war? How can you be so ignorant?
This thread is about Ukraine, not our southern border.
Yeah right. You would rather not talk about sex trafficking with minors on our southern border.
 

vibise

Well-known member
Yeah right and the more Ukraine citizens die and live in misery and vibise beats the war drums. Putin is doing fine.
I am not beating war drums.

Ukrainians are experiencing firsthand the depravity of the war crimes being routinely committed by Russians. Ukrainians hate the Russians and the evil they perpetrate, and they rightly fear a future under Russian rule.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
I am not beating war drums.
Yeah you are. You keep portraying Putin and the Russians as war criminals but you don't know what war entails.
Ukrainians are experiencing firsthand the depravity of the war crimes being routinely committed by Russians.
They should have taken the deal back in March (?) but they listened to Boris Johnson and there may be no second bite at that apple.
Ukrainians hate the Russians and the evil they perpetrate, and they rightly fear a future under Russian rule.
You are assuming facts not in evidence. Ruskies prefer to bomb Ukraine back into the stone age as opposed to rule. Tell you what. Why don't you redeem yourself and start a thread on sex slavery at the southern border. Do some good for a change.

 

TeabagSalad

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Fake news that tells you what you want to hear as opposed to actual truth.

And what truth is that? That you think the people of Ukraine should just roll over and cede their country to Russia?

Only cowards who wouldn't fight to protect their own country would think Ukraine should just give up.
 

Temujin

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There won't be any Ukrainians left, Einstein. How many more Ukrainian men have to die? A couple million? Winter is coming, no fuel, no electricity, no food? I thought Ukraine was winning? Pushing the Ruskies back? Ruskie soldiers going AWOL? Why the change now?
Their choice, Quisling. Not your fight. You don't get to tell them how to fight it. It's in our interest that they are supported however they ask to be.
 

docphin5

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Appeasement as a strategy has a very poor record.
Backing a nuclear armed power into its corner is not a good strategy either.

Ask yourself, who is sticking their nose into the other nation’s business? We are fueling a war on the other side of the planet between two neighbors trying to weaken Russia’s national security, —not the other way around. Russia is not arming Mexico against us. Therefore, We are arguably the aggressor here or at least contributing to any aggression. We are actively putting missiles and radars into Russias neighborhood, into Russia’s front yard, not the other way around. We are backing Russia into their corner and telling them they have no say in the matter. We deny them their national security concerns. Reverse the situation and ask yourself, how would we be responding? We would be rattling our nuclear weapons and threatening to blow them up if they come any closer.
 
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Temujin

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Backing a nuclear armed power into its corner is not a good strategy either.

Ask yourself, who is sticking their nose into the other nation’s business? We are fueling a war on the other side of the planet between two neighbors trying to weaken Russia’s national security, —not the other way around. Russia is not arming Mexico against us. Therefore, We are arguably the aggressor here or at least contributing to any aggression. We are actively putting missiles and radars into Russias lneighborhood, into Russia’s front yard, not the other way around. We are backing Russia into their corner and telling them they have no say in the matter. We deny them their national security concerns. Reverse the situation and ask yourself, how would we be responding? We would be rattling our nuclear weapons and threatening to blow them up if they come any closer.
The world is not a plaything of Russia and the US. Ukraine is a sovereign country, entitled to determine its own direction, its own allies and its own policy. The notion that the west is the aggressor here is dangerous nonsense, straight out of the Russian playbook. The Cold War was thirty years ago. Nuclear weapons are unuseable. By anybody.
 
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