To summarize: The SDA "sabbath"

[DrPatti]

SDAism claims it is the "remnant" church because it is the "most Biblical" church and it "keeps the commandments." It points to its "sabbathkeeping" as being the sign that they are the "only true church." They also claim that the sabbath is the "Seal of God" as opposed to assembling to worship on Sunday, which they call the "mark of the beast."

Just about every thread on this forum is about--or turns into a discussion of--the "sabbath." This is the single most important doctrine for SDAism, far eclipsing any discussion of Jesus and His work of salvation for sinners on the cross.

The purpose of this post is to summarize aspects of the SDA "sabbath." There are many threads that go on and on, but I like things neat and concise, so here we go.

 

[DrPatti]

• 1. There is nothing in history that shows a clear, unbroken 7-day week pattern. So the "sabbath" SDAs claim descended from creation week cannot be proven.

• 2. The COI were in bondage in Egypt for hundreds of years before the giving of the sabbath command. "Ancient Egypt had a ten-day week, three weeks per month with five extra days at the end of the year." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week There is no reasonable way to claim that the COI, enslaved and worked to death by tyrant pharoahs, would have even been able to observe the "seventh-day sabbath," nor is it likely that they kept track of it through hundreds of years of 10-day week calendars.

• 3. SDAs have claimed that the sabbath has been the result of a continuing weekly cycle since creation. This is pure wishful thinking. There is nothing in Genesis that says that God gave a sabbath command. There is no evidence of any kind of sabbath observance until Exodus 16.

• 4. There is much historical compelling evidence that the ancient Hebrew reckoning of the week was based upon the lunar calendar so that the seven-day week "cycle" would have been interrupted each month by new moon festivals, etc.

• 5. So SDAism cannot even be sure what day is "the" seventh day sabbath of the ancient Hebrews. They are merely mimicking the Jews who openly admit to capitulating to the set calendar of the Romans in the fourth century.

To be continued....

 

[DrPatti]

• 6. As we have seen with Samoa, SDAs are not really concerned with which day the Samoan church calls "sabbath." If it is so nonchalant about the Samoan sabbath, if it is OK to simply pick a "seventh day" of our own reckoning, then there is no need for SDAism to separate itself from the rest of Christendom (for the greatest part). SDAs could meet on Sunday with the rest of the believing world as, ironically, many of the Samoan SDAs are now.

• 7. SDAs do not observe "the sabbath" according to the manner prescribed by the Scriptures themselves. They do not:

Sacrifice as prescribed
Refrain from leaving their homes
Refrain from lighting a fire in their homes
Refrain from carrying a load on the sabbath
Refrain from doing their own pleasure
Refrain from speaking their own words
Keep the sabbath holy

To name a few.

• 8. SDAism teaches that they observe the sabbath according to the Commandment. They boast of their "sabbath-keeping" but more often than not, omit the "holy" part of the command: "Remember the sabbath to keep it holy." Since they (nor any other sinful entity) keeps anything "holy," SDA apologists often try and neutralize the word "holy," so that it means something less than actually holy. They tell us it just means "set apart." So, for SDAs, keeping the sabbath "holy" simply means it is "set apart."

To be continued....

 

[DrPatti]

• 9. Most importantly, SDAs do not realize that those who are in Christ have been released from the law. And so SDAism remains in bondage to the law and the curse it brings in its wake.

In short, SDAs have created a sabbath in their own images; they "observe" (worship?) this golden calf "sabbath" that they cannot prove either from historical calendars or from the Scriptures themselves,
in the way that they want to "keep" it,
ignoring specific Scriptural directives,
ignoring the fact that those who are in Christ have "died to the law."

And for this they think they will receive the "Seal of God," and everyone else will receive the "mark of the beast" and be eternally damned. In short, the fearful thing is that they see their sabbath "observance" as a means of securing their eternal salvation. That should be terrifying for any honest believer who has had a glimpse of his/her own sinfulness and the absolute and perfect holiness of God.

 

[Buzzard]

SDAism claims it is the "remnant" church because it is the "most Biblical" church and it "keeps the commandments." It points to its "sabbathkeeping" as being the sign that they are the "only true church." They also claim that the sabbath is the "Seal of God" as opposed to assembling to worship on Sunday, which they call the "mark of the beast."

Just about every thread on this forum is about--or turns into a discussion of--the "sabbath." This is the single most important doctrine for SDAism, far eclipsing any discussion of Jesus and His work of salvation for sinners on the cross.

The purpose of this post is to summarize aspects of the SDA "sabbath." There are many threads that go on and on, but I like things neat and concise, so here we go.

Just about every thread on this forum is about--or turns into a discussion of--the "sabbath." This is the single most important doctrine for SDAism, far eclipsing any discussion of Jesus and His work of salvation for sinners on the cross.

Job 28:1
Surely there is a vein for the silver,
and a place for gold where they fine it.
2 Iron is taken out of the earth,
and brass is molten out of the stone.
3 He setteth an end to darkness,
and searcheth out all perfection:
the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.

Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time,
Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on unto perfection;
not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,
and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms,
and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead,
and of eternal judgment.

so Patti;
what is your problem ??
why do you wish to stay in the Nursery
where they have play time and Pacifiers for the babys
you are going to get weaned from mommy's teat someday

Woe unto those that give suck in those days

 

[SDAchristian]

so Patti;
what is your problem ??
why do you wish to stay in the Nursery
where they have play time and Pacifiers for the babys
you are going to get weaned from mommy's teat someday

Woe unto those that give suck in those days

I feel this was inappropriate comment about DrPatti.

You do not know her, as some do here.

Stay on topic, not on person, Please !!!

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Just about every thread on this forum is about--or turns into a discussion of--the "sabbath." This is the single most important doctrine for SDAism, far eclipsing any discussion of Jesus and His work of salvation for sinners on the cross.

AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Does the definition of sin change between OT/OC to NT/NC, that Jesus' blood paid for ???

AV Ja 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So how do you define sin(s) in the NT/NC ???

Where do you find "the law of liberty" that James is referring to ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Wrenage]

And for this they think they will receive the "Seal of God," and everyone else will receive the "mark of the beast" and be eternally damned. In short, the fearful thing is that they see their sabbath "observance" as a means of securing their eternal salvation. That should be terrifying for any honest believer who has had a glimpse of his/her own sinfulness and the absolute and perfect holiness of God.

It seems possible that sabbath observance as the seal of God and the Investigative Judgment could become stealth works righteousness if one is not careful. The sad thing is, one doesn't need to be that careful. Jettison Ellen White and the Investigative Judgment, and things clear up a lot. If one wants to keep the sabbath, go for it, but no special points are awarded for it.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV 1Jn 3:4-5 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
AV Ja 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Where do we find these sins spoken by GOD ???

"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also,", AV Ex 20:8-9 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:", "thou art become a transgressor of the law".

Does "the law of liberty" are the same as the Decalogue ???

AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This "war" with "the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" will come to fruition. Using as evidence in "war", the boundaries of engagement is set by GOD, not defined by men.

When laws change and "liberty" to worship freely per an individual's conscience is done away with, then the mark of the beast is being executed.

AV Zch 13:9-14:1 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God. 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Then the Holy Spirit will be poured out more fully in the Latter Rain, and GOD's evidence will be conviction of our spirit before GOD.

The purpose of this post is to summarize aspects of the SDA "sabbath." There are many threads that go on and on, but I like things neat and concise, so here we go.

AV Mt 22:37-38 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.
AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

Okay, let us get to "heart", "soul" and "mind" of the matter, to steal "my holy day" from GOD in the minds of GOD's people.

AV Hb 4:10-11 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Is breaking/"unbelief" of the Sabbath of GOD's "my holy day", a sin still paid for in Jesus' blood, every week in reminder of GOD's Creation ???

This post is my summary reply to your posts. In the replies to this post. we will see evidence for Love of Jesus, and Love for the Words of GOD or not.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 1. There is nothing in history that shows a clear, unbroken 7-day week pattern. So the "sabbath" SDAs claim descended from creation week cannot be proven.

AV Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

If Jesus' example in the walk of Jesus' flesh, kept the sabbath per the commandments of GOD in sinlessness, with no other evidence stated; the same is true for resurrection day of Jesus.

A Good Questions Here:
Was Jesus sinless ???

AV Ex 16:23 And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Does GOD keep track of which day is sabbath in Omniscient Truth ???

So why do apologetics on sabbath, when many can not defend the resurrection day of Jesus then ???

This so simple, defend which day is the resurrection day of Jesus, and so we can just positioned sabbath related to it.

Main Question in Discussion:
Which day of the week is the resurrection day of Jesus ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
This stated doubt is using the words of men, and does not rely on GOD's own words.

• 2. The COI were in bondage in Egypt for hundreds of years before the giving of the sabbath command. "Ancient Egypt had a ten-day week, three weeks per month with five extra days at the end of the year." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week There is no reasonable way to claim that the COI, enslaved and worked to death by tyrant pharoahs, would have even been able to observe the "seventh-day sabbath," nor is it likely that they kept track of it through hundreds of years of 10-day week calendars.
To be continued....

AV Ex 16:23 And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Does GOD keep track of which day is sabbath in Omniscient Truth ???

AV Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Can we believe GOD in Their own words as Omniscient Truth ???

AV Isa 5:20-24 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! 22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: 23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! 24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Evidence can be found in the words we post, of our own faith and belief in GOD.

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 3. ... There is no evidence of any kind of sabbath observance until Exodus 16.

If we limit the scope of understanding to those verses, this might be true because of ignorance of other scriptures/truth. But let use the whole Words of GOD's Word for a complete understanding.

• 3. SDAs have claimed that the sabbath has been the result of a continuing weekly cycle since creation. This is pure wishful thinking. There is nothing in Genesis that says that God gave a sabbath command.

AV Gn 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
AV Ex 16:23 And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
AV Ex 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

GOD linked the first seventh day to "the rest of the holy sabbath". Are any prepared to accuse GOD of being wrong ???

AV Ps 78:22-25 Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: 23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. 25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.​

AV Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.​

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Is there Sabbath in Heaven ???​

AV Mk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
AV Gn 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

To make this one an interesting scripture Study, What is Adam's name in Hebrew, and it's translation ???

AV Hb 4:10-11 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
AV Hb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

We will stop here for now, with a question:

Does Jesus/GOD have a continuity of perpetual Truth issue in any thing else holy or "sanctified" every week in this Creation ???

shabbath shab-bawth'
intensive from H7673;
intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath.
KJV: (+ every) sabbath.

AV Isa 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath{H7676 shabbath} to another{H7676 shabbath}, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

This continuity of perpetual Truth issue in holiness or "sanctified" every week in this new Creation, any doubters ???

To be fair, Is there evidence in GOD's own WORDS, not man's unbelief , to suggest otherwise ???

AV Hb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
AV Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The end result is who wants to call GOD a liar, which is a sin in itself ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 4. There is much historical compelling evidence that the ancient Hebrew reckoning of the week was based upon the lunar calendar so that the seven-day week "cycle" would have been interrupted each month by new moon festivals, etc.

We have a classic GOD's said, and what men have said.

planao plan-ah'-o from G4106;
to (properly, cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue).
KJV: go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.

AV Mt 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive{G4105 planao} the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

Does any have any evidence that Jesus as GOD in the flesh, observed "the week was based upon the lunar calendar" ???

Feedback questions:
Why does not the first day move around as has been suggested ???

Did first day keepers in the Truth of Jesus' resurrection, lose track of the first day of every week, since Jesus' resurrection ???

So when we can answer those questions, we will settle the modern sabbath issue from Jesus' walk on earth as GOD.

AV 1Jn 2:19-20 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

It is well know that men, have been "go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way" from GOD since the Garden of Eden.

AV Mt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
AV Jn 5:45-47 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
AV Mk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

This is ultra simple: When did so many in a majority, stop believing Jesus' words of "The sabbath was made for man" ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 5. So SDAism cannot even be sure what day is "the" seventh day sabbath of the ancient Hebrews. They are merely mimicking the Jews who openly admit to capitulating to the set calendar of the Romans in the fourth century.

This is an admission that the first day changed after the Pentecost, Right ??? <<< Yes, I chose my words of my question.

I looked at this before, was it a week to week change or month to month change ???

Lacking evidence in documentation in the words of men, against the Word of GOD.

AV Mk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
AV Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

So believing Jesus' words are not enough for "worship me" ???

Look at GOD, not at other people !!!

The side issue is:
AV 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Is Jesus' walk sinless and righteous enough to follow in our flesh too ???
We are working towards the BIG one ...

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 6. As we have seen with Samoa, SDAs are not really concerned with which day the Samoan church calls "sabbath." If it is so nonchalant about the Samoan sabbath, if it is OK to simply pick a "seventh day" of our own reckoning, then there is no need for SDAism to separate itself from the rest of Christendom (for the greatest part). SDAs could meet on Sunday with the rest of the believing world as, ironically, many of the Samoan SDAs are now.

This is actually a local issue in reference to local time keeping.

Looking forward to how murderers distinguish who to martyr, and what they will use as time keeping zone.

Considering Jesus' righteousness actually kept sabbath in a sinless state, in the local time keeping zone.

What state did Jesus keep the first day ??? <<< Loaded question alert !!!

Are you saying people are saved in groups base on parameters outside of faith in Jesus' righteousness then ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

• 7. SDAs do not observe "the sabbath" according to the manner prescribed by the Scriptures themselves. They do not:

Sacrifice as prescribed
Refrain from leaving their homes
Refrain from lighting a fire in their homes
Refrain from carrying a load on the sabbath
Refrain from doing their own pleasure
Refrain from speaking their own words
Keep the sabbath holy

To name a few.

AV Jn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

These lack scripture references for a proper apologetic debate.

The sunday law death penalty in counterfeited from the sabbath one, which penalty was given by GOD.

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Jer 17:9-10 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, [I} try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

Only GOD knows our hearts.

Are these points meant to contrast to the first day issues too ???

• 8. SDAism teaches that they observe the sabbath according to the Commandment. They boast of their "sabbath-keeping" but more often than not, omit the "holy" part of the command: "Remember the sabbath to keep it holy." Since they (nor any other sinful entity) keeps anything "holy," SDA apologists often try and neutralize the word "holy," so that it means something less than actually holy. They tell us it just means "set apart." So, for SDAs, keeping the sabbath "holy" simply means it is "set apart."

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

AV Mk 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Is this true of the first day too ???

This is really ironic to question what GOD calls "holy".

AV Hb 10:29-31 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Okay, Is the first day holy enough to make a counterfiet sabbath Sunday Law Death Decree in GOD's "Vengeance [belongeth] unto me" ???

AV 1C 11:28-29 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

"the Lord's body" kept sabbath sinless. Are we good with this, to everyone who partakes of commuinon ???

It is really an individual act to confess sins to GOD, including sins related to "my holy day".

Is the sabbath now "an unholy thing" ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

You brought this subject here, so we can continue here, if you like.

The BIG One, I hinted to: What is sin, in the NC/NT, in GOD's Words, that Jesus' blood shed for ???

AV 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

• 9. Most importantly, SDAs do not realize that those who are in Christ have been released from the law. And so SDAism remains in bondage to the law and the curse it brings in its wake.

I understand your point, but I see a fault in it, to dismiss GOD's will about sin. Let us start with the verses that others use.

AV Ro 10:2-5 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

I hope everyone understands the difference between exegesis and eisegesis. With that said ...

Where does it say, "For Christ [is] the end of the law for" sin "to every one that believeth." ??? <<< Click Here

Please think this thoroughly for discussion here.

This question has gone un-replied to for over two weeks now.

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AV Ro 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
AV Ro 3:15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
AV Ro 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

The ones who "shed blood" are the ones who sin, instead of "love thy neighbour", in the Name of GOD to execute GOD's "Vengeance [belongeth] unto me".

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

In short, SDAs have created a sabbath in their own images; they "observe" (worship?) this golden calf "sabbath" that they cannot prove either from historical calendars or from the Scriptures themselves,
in the way that they want to "keep" it,
ignoring specific Scriptural directives,
ignoring the fact that those who are in Christ have "died to the law."

Without specific scriptures references, I understand this as your opinion to state here on CARM.

Please share the scriptures, that support your statements.

We are all sinners, that need to confess our sins to Jesus, to have Jesus' remission of sins.

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AV Zch 13:8-9 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

GOD will execute Their will in the end of time. Many will blame sabbath keepers.

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

ignoring the fact that those who are in Christ have "died to the law."

AV Ga 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Are we referring to this verse for continued discussion ???

"To be continued...."

Yours in Christ, Michael