To Those Who Say Jesus Was God.

Gary Mac

Well-known member
So you admit you are shifting the burden - Please shgow us how jesus was not god.
Quote Jesus where he said he was God and not Gods son. Show me where Jesus said God didnt send him to show you the way, show me where Jesus didnt say he could do noting at all without his Father who sent him. Show me where Jesus didnt pray to his God for you and I to be like Him in John 17. Show me where Jesus didnt obey his God to do His will. Show me where God didnt come to Jesus and open all of His heaven to that man in Matt 3:16.

And yes this burden is on you. prove to me Jesus was God and not Gods son. Prove to me that God didnt send Jesus to show me what it is to be a son of God myself. The challenge is on you.

you dont have a clue who God is Who Jesus called Father. .
 
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ferengi

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Quote Jesus where he said he was God and not Gods son
Scripture declares He is God and I say what scripture declares regarding the Person of Christ.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28

Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Rom 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus

1 Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER

Hebrews 1:10
He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.


2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours

2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the GNT but always to Jesus.


Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty

Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


Conclusion
: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
Scripture declares He is God and I say what scripture declares regarding the Person of Christ.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28

Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Rom 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.

Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus

1 Timothy 3:16

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER

Hebrews 1:10
He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.


2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours

2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the GNT but always to Jesus.


Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty

Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


Conclusion
: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!
Contrary, Jesus never ever spoke of himself but of his Father who sent him. You say Jesus was not Gods son but was a god himself.

Be honest if that is possible yourself and tell us who it was who came to Jesus when he was about 30 years old and opened all of His heaven to that man? Jesus didnt even know God or His Spirit until.

Tell us who it was Jesus prayed to and obeyed.

Tell us who it was Jesus calld his Father and who sent him to show you Gods way

You dont have a clue who that was do you.
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
Scripture declares He is God and I say what scripture declares regarding the Person of Christ.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
God is the first and the last same one who was in Adam is the same one who was in Abraham, Moses Mary, Jesus 120 and in me. He is supposed ot be in you as well but that isnt possible is it? You act as if God changed somewhere along the line.
Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
He always has been just as it says, Jesus was here for only a short 33 years.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins. Yes, if you don't believe that I AM(YHWH), you will die in your sins."
Yes is you do not believe who I am is you will go to a grave never meeting Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.(YHWH)"
Tats what I keep trying to tell you, God always has been the same in Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and us all who has recieved Him.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
yes in the beginning of every mans salvation is the word, no one escapes this if they are to be of Christ as Jesus was of Christ, anointed of God as
John 20:28
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

I said the same thing when I saw Him for who He really is. Jesus did the same in Matt 3:16.
Rom 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ who is God over all forever praised! Amen.
Yes Christ is Gods anointed and either you are anointed of God with Christ in you or you are not of Christ at all. There is no in-between.
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus
Yes our Great God AND Christ Jesus Most dont see that AND in there. And he is not savior at all least you follow him to Gods salvation.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Yes He is manifest in everyone's flesh who has received Him, He is the head of my body, the godhead bodily
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER
Yes and we who has overcome this world sit with Him in His throne Rev 3:21
Hebrews 1:10
He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Yes God did exactly that. He also laid the foundation fo rHis Spirit, even Jesus recieved Him in Matt 3:16. So has we all who has recieved the same as Jesus did.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
There is that AND again
2 Peter 1:11
for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
It was indeed.
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Yes He is the true God indeed. He even was in His son Jesus and He is in all His sons the same just as it says.
These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the GNT but always to Jesus.
Oh no it makes clear that He comes to all who will receive Him just as Jesus received Him in Matt 3:16. It is those clouds that He is hidden from you but as it says He will come though that fog if you will receive Him. His promise is He will come to you and sup with you and be in you if you will.
Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
He did indeed See Matt 3:16 this is ow He does it.
We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty
yes and all who has His PSirit are anointed of God which is Christ in you, or is supposed to be anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God, His example He sent to show you His way. You just dont believe the one He sent is all.
Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:
The case with most of us who He is manifest in.
We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that liveth, was dead, but is alive forevermore is Christ.
Yes Christ in us is that hope of glory.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
And He did just as He quickly came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 He does the same in us all who has received His coming to us. It happens in the twinkling of an eye, the corrupt put on incorruption and all things become new a new heaven and earth. Jesus referred to this enlightenment as born again.
We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.
Always has been He never changed, same in Adam He was in Jesus.
Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
Yes indeed God sent Jesus to testify of these things that happened in him from the Father. And all who has received Him do the very same as Jesus did no different at all.
Conclusion: So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!
Yes Jesus was son of man just as all people are, made of a woman burn under the law just as you and I -- but not all are sons of God from lack in receiving from Him to be the Father of their spirit.

Jesus never ever spoke of himself but only of his Father who sent him. You say Jesus was not Gods son but was a god himself.

Be honest if that is possible and tell us who it was who came to Jesus when he was about 30 years old and opened all of His heaven to that man? Jesus didnt even know God or His Spirit until.

Tell us who it was Jesus prayed to and obeyed.

Tell us who it was Jesus called his Father and who sent him to show you Gods way

Who was it was Jesus referred to for you to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect

You dont have a clue who that was do you.
 
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