Translation of the BoM, and money digging

Why are you arguing with your own church about that? Even they’re admitting he used the seer stone.
No Magdalena, the have stated very plainly that there are many different accounts and some believe he uses a seer stone, mostly they quote David Whitmer but never Oliver Cowdrey who was a scrbe in the translation for over 90 percent of the Book of Mormon... wonder why Oliver is never mentioned Magdalena...so do please suppley us the sources of first hand witnesses that say otherwise...

From the Essays.
The principal scribe, Oliver Cowdery, testified under oath in 1831 that Joseph Smith “found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the reformed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.31 In the fall of 1830, Cowdery visited Union Village, Ohio, and spoke about the translation of the Book of Mormon. Soon thereafter, a village resident reported that the translation was accomplished by means of “two transparent stones in the form of spectacles thro which the translator looked on the engraving.”
 
No Magdalena, the have stated very plainly that there are many different accounts and some believe he uses a seer stone, mostly they quote David Whitmer but never Oliver Cowdrey who was a scrbe in the translation for over 90 percent of the Book of Mormon... wonder why Oliver is never mentioned Magdalena...so do please suppley us the sources of first hand witnesses that say otherwise...

From the Essays.
The principal scribe, Oliver Cowdery, testified under oath in 1831 that Joseph Smith “found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the reformed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.31 In the fall of 1830, Cowdery visited Union Village, Ohio, and spoke about the translation of the Book of Mormon. Soon thereafter, a village resident reported that the translation was accomplished by means of “two transparent stones in the form of spectacles thro which the translator looked on the engraving.”

Ralf ...this account of one of the trial...and Olivers account as written by AWB...does not compliment firsthand accounts by the witnesses.

here it is in full context... do you agree with if full?

B., A.W. “Mormonites.” Evangelical Magazine and Gospel Advocate (Utica, New York) 2, no. 15 (9 April 1831): 120. <br> MORMONITES. <br> Messrs. Editors—In the sixth number of your paper I saw a notice of a sect of people called Mormonites; and thinking that a fuller history of their founder, Joseph Smith, jr., might be interesting to community, and particularly to your correspondent in Ohio, where, perhaps, the truth concerning him may be hard to come at, I will take the trouble to make a few remarks on the character of that infamous impostor. For several years preceding the appearance of his book, he was about the country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending, by means of a certain stone, or glass, which he put in a hat, to be able to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines of gold and silver, &c. Although he constantly failed in his pretensions, still he had his dupes who put implicit confidence in all his words. In this town, a wealthy farmer, named Josiah Stowell, together with others, spent large sums of money in digging for hidden money, which this Smith pretended he could see, and told them where to dig; but they never found their treasure. At length the public, becoming wearied with the base imposition which he was palming upon the credulity of the ignorant, for the purpose of sponging his living from their earnings, had him arrested as a disorderly person, tried and condemned before a court or Justice. But, considering his youth, (he then being a minor,) and thinking he might reform his conduct, he was designedly allowed to escape. This was four or five years ago. From this time he absented himself from this place, returning only privately, and holding clandestine intercourse with his credulous dupes, for two or three years. It was during this time, and probably by the help of others more skilled in the ways of iniquity than himself, that he formed the blasphemous design of forging a new revelation, which, backed by the terrors on an endless hell, and the testimony of base unprincipled men, he hoped would frighten the ignorant, and open a field of speculation for the vicious, so that he might secure to himself the scandalous honor of being the founder of a new sect, which might rival, perhaps, the Wilkinsonians, or the French Prophets of the 17th century. During the past Summer he was frequently in this vicinity, and others of the baser sort, as Cowdry, Whitmer, etc., holding meetings, and proselyting a few weak and silly women, and still more silly men, whose minds are shrouded in a mist of ignorance which no ray can penetrate, and whose credulity the utmost absurdity cannot equal. In order to check the progress of delusion, and open the eyes and understandings of those who blindly followed him, and unmask the turpitude and villany of those who knowingly abetted him in his infamous designs; he was again arraigned before a bar of Justice, during last Summer, to answer to a charge of misdemeanor. This trial led to an investigation of his character and conduct, which clearly evinced to the unprejudiced, whence the spirit came which dictated his inspirations. During the trial it was shown that the Book of Mormon was brought to light by the same magic power by which he pretended to tell fortunes, discover hidden treasures, &c. Oliver Cowdry, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the formed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates. So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods. It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was. Josiah Stowell, a Mormonite, being sworn, testified that he positively knew that said Smith never had lied to, or deceived him, and did not believe he ever tried to deceive any body else. The following questions were then asked him, to which he made the replies annexed. Did Smith ever tell you there was money hid in a certain place which he mentioned? Yes. Did he tell you, you could find it by digging? Yes. Did you dig? Yes. Did you find any money? No. Did he not lie to you then, and deceive you? No! the money was there, but we did not get quite to it! How do you know it was there? Smith said it was! Addison Austin was next called upon, who testified, that at the very same time that Stowell was digging for money, he, Austin, was in company with said Smith alone, and asked him to tell him honestly whether he could see this money or not. Smith hesitated some time, but finally replied, “to be candid, between you and me, I cannot, any more than you or any body else; but any way to get a living.” Here, then, we have his own confession, that he was a vile, dishonest impostor. As regards the testimony of Josiah Stowell, it needs no comment. He swears positively that Smith did not lie to him. So much for a Mormon witness. Paramount to this, in truth and consistency, was the testimony of Joseph Knight, another Mormonite. Newel Knight, son of the former, and also a Mormonite, testified, under oath, that he positively had a devil cast out of himself by the instrumentality of Joseph Smith, jr., and that he saw the devil after it was out, but could not tell how it looked! Those who have joined them in this place, are, without exception, children who are frightened into the measure, or ignorant adults, whose love for the marvellous is equalled by nothing but their entire devotedness to the will of their leader; with a few who are as destitute of virtue and moral honesty, as they are of truth and consistency. As for his book, it is only the counterpart of his money-digging plan. Fearing the penalty of the law, and wishing still to amuse his followers, he fled for safety to the sanctuary of pretended religion. A. W. B. S. Bainbridge, Chen. co., March, 1831.
 
Read the above if full context, I highlighted a few key points but read it fully.

Click here ralf

This is why Nelson and the essay itself, along with the article about seer stones, and Nelson video all state he used a stone in the hat. Fair, FARM's, BYU studies, the essays, the Interpreter...almost to the person concede it was mostly by the stone in the hat.

Again, from the Essay...

Most of the accounts speak of Joseph’s use of the Urim and Thummim (either the interpreters or the seer stone), and many accounts refer to his use of a single stone. According to these accounts, Joseph placed either the interpreters or the seer stone in a hat, pressed his face into the hat to block out extraneous light, and read aloud the English words that appeared on the instrument.

And this from LDS . org

When Joseph Smith received the golden plates in 1827, he also received a translation instrument with them, “two stones in silver bows” used by “‘seers’ in ancient or former times” (Joseph Smith—History 1:35). This instrument was referred to in the Book of Mormon as the “interpreters.” During the translation of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith apparently used both of these instruments—the interpreters and his seer stone—interchangeably. They worked in much the same way, and the early Saints sometimes used the term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters.

Click here ralf
 
Ralf ...this account of one of the trial...and Olivers account as written by AWB...does not compliment firsthand accounts by the witnesses.

here it is in full context... do you agree with if full?

B., A.W. “Mormonites.” Evangelical Magazine and Gospel Advocate (Utica, New York) 2, no. 15 (9 April 1831): 120. <br> MORMONITES. <br> Messrs. Editors—In the sixth number of your paper I saw a notice of a sect of people called Mormonites; and thinking that a fuller history of their founder, Joseph Smith, jr., might be interesting to community, and particularly to your correspondent in Ohio, where, perhaps, the truth concerning him may be hard to come at, I will take the trouble to make a few remarks on the character of that infamous impostor. For several years preceding the appearance of his book, he was about the country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending, by means of a certain stone, or glass, which he put in a hat, to be able to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines of gold and silver, &c. Although he constantly failed in his pretensions, still he had his dupes who put implicit confidence in all his words. In this town, a wealthy farmer, named Josiah Stowell, together with others, spent large sums of money in digging for hidden money, which this Smith pretended he could see, and told them where to dig; but they never found their treasure. At length the public, becoming wearied with the base imposition which he was palming upon the credulity of the ignorant, for the purpose of sponging his living from their earnings, had him arrested as a disorderly person, tried and condemned before a court or Justice. But, considering his youth, (he then being a minor,) and thinking he might reform his conduct, he was designedly allowed to escape. This was four or five years ago. From this time he absented himself from this place, returning only privately, and holding clandestine intercourse with his credulous dupes, for two or three years. It was during this time, and probably by the help of others more skilled in the ways of iniquity than himself, that he formed the blasphemous design of forging a new revelation, which, backed by the terrors on an endless hell, and the testimony of base unprincipled men, he hoped would frighten the ignorant, and open a field of speculation for the vicious, so that he might secure to himself the scandalous honor of being the founder of a new sect, which might rival, perhaps, the Wilkinsonians, or the French Prophets of the 17th century. During the past Summer he was frequently in this vicinity, and others of the baser sort, as Cowdry, Whitmer, etc., holding meetings, and proselyting a few weak and silly women, and still more silly men, whose minds are shrouded in a mist of ignorance which no ray can penetrate, and whose credulity the utmost absurdity cannot equal. In order to check the progress of delusion, and open the eyes and understandings of those who blindly followed him, and unmask the turpitude and villany of those who knowingly abetted him in his infamous designs; he was again arraigned before a bar of Justice, during last Summer, to answer to a charge of misdemeanor. This trial led to an investigation of his character and conduct, which clearly evinced to the unprejudiced, whence the spirit came which dictated his inspirations. During the trial it was shown that the Book of Mormon was brought to light by the same magic power by which he pretended to tell fortunes, discover hidden treasures, &c. Oliver Cowdry, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the formed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates. So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods. It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was. Josiah Stowell, a Mormonite, being sworn, testified that he positively knew that said Smith never had lied to, or deceived him, and did not believe he ever tried to deceive any body else. The following questions were then asked him, to which he made the replies annexed. Did Smith ever tell you there was money hid in a certain place which he mentioned? Yes. Did he tell you, you could find it by digging? Yes. Did you dig? Yes. Did you find any money? No. Did he not lie to you then, and deceive you? No! the money was there, but we did not get quite to it! How do you know it was there? Smith said it was! Addison Austin was next called upon, who testified, that at the very same time that Stowell was digging for money, he, Austin, was in company with said Smith alone, and asked him to tell him honestly whether he could see this money or not. Smith hesitated some time, but finally replied, “to be candid, between you and me, I cannot, any more than you or any body else; but any way to get a living.” Here, then, we have his own confession, that he was a vile, dishonest impostor. As regards the testimony of Josiah Stowell, it needs no comment. He swears positively that Smith did not lie to him. So much for a Mormon witness. Paramount to this, in truth and consistency, was the testimony of Joseph Knight, another Mormonite. Newel Knight, son of the former, and also a Mormonite, testified, under oath, that he positively had a devil cast out of himself by the instrumentality of Joseph Smith, jr., and that he saw the devil after it was out, but could not tell how it looked! Those who have joined them in this place, are, without exception, children who are frightened into the measure, or ignorant adults, whose love for the marvellous is equalled by nothing but their entire devotedness to the will of their leader; with a few who are as destitute of virtue and moral honesty, as they are of truth and consistency. As for his book, it is only the counterpart of his money-digging plan. Fearing the penalty of the law, and wishing still to amuse his followers, he fled for safety to the sanctuary of pretended religion. A. W. B. S. Bainbridge, Chen. co., March, 1831.
Chuckle, what? More misinformation good buddy... so lets take a look, here is what Oliver actually stated in the above:

Oliver Cowdry, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the formed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.
Then commentary by AWB: "So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods. It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was."


What have you proven Markk, that he stated the truth of what Oliver said and then added his opinion... you make me laugh good buddy. So actually you just made my case for Oliver...
 
Chuckle, what? More misinformation good buddy... so lets take a look, here is what Oliver actually stated in the above:

Oliver Cowdry, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the formed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.
Then commentary by AWB: "So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods. It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was."


What have you proven Markk, that he stated the truth of what Oliver said and then added his opinion... you make me laugh good buddy. So actually you just made my case for Oliver...
Still waiting good buddy
 
Chuckle, what? More misinformation good buddy... so lets take a look, here is what Oliver actually stated in the above:

Oliver Cowdry, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the formed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.
Then commentary by AWB: "So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods. It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was."


What have you proven Markk, that he stated the truth of what Oliver said and then added his opinion... you make me laugh good buddy. So actually you just made my case for Oliver...
How did I prove your case? what is your case?
 
No Magdalena, the have stated very plainly that there are many different accounts and some believe he uses a seer stone, mostly they quote David Whitmer but never Oliver Cowdrey who was a scrbe in the translation for over 90 percent of the Book of Mormon... wonder why Oliver is never mentioned Magdalena...so do please suppley us the sources of first hand witnesses that say otherwise...

From the Essays.
The principal scribe, Oliver Cowdery, testified under oath in 1831 that Joseph Smith “found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the reformed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.31 In the fall of 1830, Cowdery visited Union Village, Ohio, and spoke about the translation of the Book of Mormon. Soon thereafter, a village resident reported that the translation was accomplished by means of “two transparent stones in the form of spectacles thro which the translator looked on the engraving.”
Hinckley, in that video, said “we know” he used a seer stone. Why is that so hard for you to admit?
 
They all look the same to me. You know who I meant. Answer the question.
No I did not know what you meant, I asked becasue you may have know something I had not read before... as it is, you did no research before you posted misinformation that others might then have believed.... you needed to be corrected for the sake of honest reporting. That is why I always ask for first hand accounts which Edit is having a real problem with...


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Olivers true statement of the use of the Urim and Thummim and then a not so accurate account by AWB then stated with this obvious opinionated sentence: "So much for the gift and power of God. by which Smith says he translate his book.

Chuckle if you can't see the hypocrisy and dissimulation going on, then you're copying and pasting with little to no comprehension...
This is joke, right? you're just pulling my leg, right? chuckle.

Ralf,

So again, what is your case? What is in your opinion the U&T? Then we can build on that.
 
Ralf,

So again, what is your case? What is in your opinion the U&T? Then we can build on that.
Well Markk, JS never used magic (magic stone) when we all know Moroni gave him prepared instruments to do the translation.
Your witnesses Harris and Emma also testified of the Director or Clear Stones from the Urim and Thummim, all the other supposed witness have proven they were not there and did not see the magic stone in the hat, but just either made up the story or were confused about the method.
 
Well Markk, JS never used magic (magic stone) when we all know Moroni gave him prepared instruments to do the translation.
Your witnesses Harris and Emma also testified of the Director or Clear Stones from the Urim and Thummim, all the other supposed witness have proven they were not there and did not see the magic stone in the hat, but just either made up the story or were confused about the method.
Well, first of all Joseph said it was Nephi...but that is an argument for another day. I never ever said that Emma and Harris said anything about a director, Elizabeth Whitmer Cowdery said that. I never said anything about a magic stone either. The folks magic is things that go along with the stone, which I hope we can explore once we get past the "seer" or "peep" stone," which I suppose in its self is "magical," but i never asserted that until now.
 
No I did not know what you meant, I asked becasue you may have know something I had not read before... as it is, you did no research before you posted misinformation that others might then have believed.... you needed to be corrected for the sake of honest reporting. That is why I always ask for first hand accounts which Markk is having a real problem with...
Nelson, from the video we’re currently discussing. But you knew that.
 
Nelson, from the video we’re currently discussing. But you knew that.
Well I went back and posted the exact words he stated.... I gave the URl again, but will do it for you so you can see that Markk quoted it wrong.
Nelson stated exactly, many different suggestion on the method and more importantly stated, he used the UT seer stones in a hat.

Notice plural ... seer stones and never mentioned the magic seer stone, which is not plural but singular... Those seer stone were the stones from the spectacles (UT) Urim and Thummim

Watch and weep Magdalena.

 
Well I went back and posted the exact words he stated.... I gave the URl again, but will do it for you so you can see that Markk quoted it wrong.
Nelson stated exactly, many different suggestion on the method and more importantly stated, he used the UT seer stones in a hat.

Notice plural ... seer stones and never mentioned the magic seer stone, which is not plural but singular... Those seer stone were the stones from the spectacles (UT) Urim and Thummim

Watch and weep Magdalena.

Your church claims to have “the” seer stone that Smith used. Scribes talked about both the u&t and the chocolate colored stone he found in a well. They call it a seer stone. They say he put it in his hat.

You're fighting against the claims of your own church. And do you realize why? Because it’s all a bunch of nonsense, and on some level you realize that. But if you admit it, you’ll be forced to make some difficult decisions that you don’t want to make. So you continue to strain at gnats and pick arguments about minutia.
 
Your church claims to have “the” seer stone that Smith used. Scribes talked about both the u&t and the chocolate colored stone he found in a well. They call it a seer stone. They say he put it in his hat.

Again Magdalena, who is the witness and what is your source... or is this something you are remembering... if so then state it as a opinion.

You're fighting against the claims of your own church. And do you realize why? Because it’s all a bunch of nonsense, and on some level you realize that. But if you admit it, you’ll be forced to make some difficult decisions that you don’t want to make. So you continue to strain at gnats and pick arguments about minutia.
What claim Magdalena, source, whiteness and quote ...
 
Again Magdalena, who is the witness and what is your source... or is this something you are remembering... if so then state it as a opinion.


What claim Magdalena, source, whiteness and quote ...
Mark and I have posted the sources and quotes many many times. You continue to pretend that we haven’t. It doesn’t look good for you or your church.
 
Mark and I have posted the sources and quotes many many times. You continue to pretend that we haven’t. It doesn’t look good for you or your church.
Here is you post "Your church claims to have “the” seer stone that Smith used. Scribes talked about both the u&t and the chocolate colored stone he found in a well. They call it a seer stone. They say he put it in his hat.

Obviously I have answered all the claims and you have not, your resarch is very limited and I doubt you're even following this thread or the others.
 
Here is you post "Your church claims to have “the” seer stone that Smith used. Scribes talked about both the u&t and the chocolate colored stone he found in a well. They call it a seer stone. They say he put it in his hat.

Obviously I have answered all the claims and you have not, your resarch is very limited and I doubt you're even following this thread or the others.
And behold, these two stones will I give unto thee, and ye shall seal them up also with the things which ye shall write. For behold, the language which ye shall write I have confounded; wherefore I will cause in my own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things which ye shall write.” Ether 3:23-24.

Now we will hear from the only First Hand Witnesses​

5 Names of the same Instrument used to Translate the Book of Mormon​

1- Interpreters (Word found in the Book of Mormon, PGP)
2- Urim and Thummim (Word found in the D&C, PGP, and the Old Testament, 4 times in THE TESTIMONY OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH in the preface of the BofM)
3- Directors (Alma37:21,24 “Interpreters” was changed to “Directors” in 1920 version of the BofM)
3- The Key
4- Two stones in silver bows, fastened to a breastplate
5-
Two stones which were fastened into the two rims of a bow (Words found similar in many places)

Words that aren’t defined as the named instruments above:​


1- Peep Stone
2- Seer Stone
3- Seer Stones
4- Seer’s Stone
5- Stone in the hat
6- Stone

7+ First hand witnesses who saw this Instrument.​

1- Christ
2- Brother of Jared
3- Moroni
4- King Benjamin, Mosiah, Alma, Helaman and each following generational leader
5- Joseph Smith
6- Oliver Cowdrey
7- Lucy Mack Smith
8- William Smith?

Joseph Smith​

“34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

35 Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.(Joseph Smith—History 1:34–35)

“With the records was found a curious instrument, which the ancients called “Urim and Thummim,” which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rim of a bow fastened to a breast plate. Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift and power of God” (History of the Church, 4:537).

Oliver Cowdery Canonized Scripture​

Oliver Cowdery describes these events thus: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’ JSH 1:75*

The most factual statement we have is the scripture above. You can’t find any scripture that explains using a seer stone anywhere.​


Friends and Brethren: My name is Cowdery, Oliver Cowdery. In the early history of this Church, I stood identified with her, and one in her councils. True it is that the gifts and callings of God are without repentance; not because I was better than the rest of mankind was I called, to fulfill the purposes of God. He called me to a high and holy calling. I wrote with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by the book, “holy interpreters.” I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the “holy interpreters.” The book is true. Sidney Rigdon did not write it; Mr. Spaulding did not write it; I wrote it myself as it fell from the lips of the Prophet.
 
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