Tree of Life

Icyspark

Active member
What is the purpose of the Tree of Life?


Here is the first recorded instance of the Tree of Life in the Bible.

Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Again I ask, what was its purpose?
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
Here is the first recorded instance of the Tree of Life in the Bible.

Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Again I ask, what was its purpose?
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow
every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;


(and 2 other trees also)

the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
.

Ahhhh, I wonder what was; and why for
this Tree
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

eat of the tree of life and live
eat of the other tree and Die

now what """TREE"""" can that be ??????????????
:unsure:

a Tree that brings forth both
Good and Evil
Good Fruit --<vs>-- Evil Fruit
😵

Matt. 7:156
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit
is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord, Lord, ..........
....
And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.


and yes Paul tell us which tree it is that was in the Garden
do you know the one Paul spake of

its the one and John saw in Rev.
so which tree is it ??????


Icy asks;
What is the purpose of the Tree of Life?
---------------------------------------------------------------
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it,
and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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pythons

Active member
I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't believe that the Tree of Life was a literal tree...
...To me its symbolic of the true immortality man lost on account of the first sin.
....And that no matter how smart man becomes - man will NEVER become God.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't believe that the Tree of Life was a literal tree...
...To me its symbolic of the true immortality man lost on account of the first sin.
....And that no matter how smart man becomes - man will NEVER become God.
Lets extrapolate that....no literal Tree of Life means no literal Tree of the Knowledg of Good and Evil....whih means they didn't grow in the middle of a literal garden.
 

Wrenage

Member
Lets extrapolate that....no literal Tree of Life means no literal Tree of the Knowledg of Good and Evil....whih means they didn't grow in the middle of a literal garden.

I wonder how long the Cherub with the flaming sword guarded the place. It is interesting to ponder if the Garden of Eden was intact all the way to, say, Noah's Flood.

Like did the pre-Flood folks all know about it? Did they have that proof of God's existence even as Noah was preaching repentence and still ignore him? Did they ever try storming the place?

What would it do to a population's mindset to know there was a Tree of Life a day's journey to the west, and it was being guarded by by angels with flaming swords?

Like if all that was there, the worldview of the pre-Flood people would have been pretty interesting.
 

Icyspark

Active member
Icy asks;
What is the purpose of the Tree of Life?
---------------------------------------------------------------
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it,
and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


Hi Buzzard,

That is certainly a purpose and I appreciate that you gave a biblical basis for your response. Thanks!
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
Hi Buzzard,

That is certainly a purpose and I appreciate that you gave a biblical basis for your response. Thanks!
1Pet.4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God
?

Rev.11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise, and measure the temple of God,
and the altar, and them that worship therein.


Thats the Tribe of Levi
Thats not the Gentile, grafted into the Olive
they are these, that come up to the Courtyard

But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months
.

Icy; I always have Biblical Proof of what I post;
but you read thru a mindset that I am you enemy,
you fail to see the reason I post as I do;
I am probably the best friend you ever had

So what "TREE" did Paul speak of ??????
a tree that bring forth Good and Evil
:unsure:


come on Icy, you know the answer,
😵
 
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Icyspark

Active member
1Pet.4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God
?

Rev.11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise, and measure the temple of God,
and the altar, and them that worship therein.


Thats the Tribe of Levi
Thats not the Gentile, grafted into the Olive
they are these, that come up to the Courtyard

But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months
.

Icy; I always have Biblical Proof of what I post;
but you read thru a mindset that I am you enemy,
you fail to see the reason I post as I do;
I am probably the best friend you ever had

So what "TREE" did Paul speak of ??????
a tree that bring forth Good and Evil
:unsure:


come on Icy, you know the answer,
😵


Hi Buzzard,

I'm not certain what your text references have to do with the topic of this thread, or with any "tree" in particular. Sorry, but you'll need to clarify your thoughts in order for me to provide an answer.

God bless!
 

Icyspark

Active member
I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't believe that the Tree of Life was a literal tree...
...To me its symbolic of the true immortality man lost on account of the first sin.
....And that no matter how smart man becomes - man will NEVER become God.


Hi pythons,

Do you believe this world is billions of years old and that man evolved (i.e. theistic evolution)?

God bless!
 

pythons

Active member
Hi pythons,

Do you believe this world is billions of years old and that man evolved (i.e. theistic evolution)?

God bless!

I believe that God used what we call evolution (to some degree I can't begin to guess) to effect and take care of life on this planet. I also don't speculate as to how old the earth is but would readily agree it's NOT something like 10,000 or 20,000 years old. Could it be millions or billions of years old? Sure - if it's proven that the earth is many millions of years old that wouldn't affect my Faith at all.

I don't believe that the creation of man was literally like how the Greek God's created man where a hominid god formed a figure out of clay and blew into it causing it to become "alive". I don't believe that.
 

pythons

Active member
Lets extrapolate that....no literal Tree of Life means no literal Tree of the Knowledg of Good and Evil....whih means they didn't grow in the middle of a literal garden.

The Bible is a book of religious truths - and both its age and the events described require that we accept that the Author's intent to original hearers may be different than what we today would think it means. I take that part of the Scriptures to teach that man was originally living within God's Grace until such a time where man transgressed against God - does this mean that Adam & Eve picked literal fruit from a literal tree and consumed it AFTER they were told not to? No, I don't believe it is literal.
 

Icyspark

Active member
I believe that God used what we call evolution (to some degree I can't begin to guess) to effect and take care of life on this planet. I also don't speculate as to how old the earth is but would readily agree it's NOT something like 10,000 or 20,000 years old. Could it be millions or billions of years old? Sure - if it's proven that the earth is many millions of years old that wouldn't affect my Faith at all.

I don't believe that the creation of man was literally like how the Greek God's created man where a hominid god formed a figure out of clay and blew into it causing it to become "alive". I don't believe that.

Hi pythons,

That's good to hear. It seemed to me that a dismissal of a literal Tree of Life could potentially lead to a dismissal of a literal Adam and Eve.

So, do you dismiss the account of God kicking a literal Adam and Eve out of a literal Garden along with His rationale for doing so?

Genesis 3:21-24
The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.


I don't believe that the creation of man was literally like how the Greek God's created man where a hominid god formed a figure out of clay and blew into it causing it to become "alive". I don't believe that.


It seems to me that you are dismissing the biblical creation account based on how you conflate the Greek's version of the creation of humanity? At what point do you become the expositor of truth over and against what the Scriptures plainly reveal?

God bless!
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
Hi Buzzard,

I'm not certain what your text references have to do with the topic of this thread, or with any "tree" in particular. Sorry, but you'll need to clarify your thoughts in order for me to provide an answer.

God bless!
Ex.32:1
And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount,
the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron,
and said unto him,

Up, make us gods, which shall go before us;
for as for this Moses,
the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt,
we wot not what is become of him
.

And Aaron said unto them,
Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives,
of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.



And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears,
and brought them unto Aaron.
And he received them at their hand,
and fashioned it with a graving tool,
after he had made it a molten calf:

and they said,
These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And when Aaron saw it,
he built an altar before it;
and Aaron made proclamation,
and said,
To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

And they rose up early on the morrow,
and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
and the people sat down to eat and to drink,
and rose up to play.


vs. 25 .. And when Moses saw that the people were naked;
(for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies)
Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp,
and said, ............................


Icy;
When you wear the ""Ear Rings"" of the Gods of Egypt
placed on you by those that speak for the Gods of Egypt
all you have is;
"""ears to hear """ the Voice of those that speak for
the Egyptian Gods
 
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CrowCross

Well-known member
The Bible is a book of religious truths - and both its age and the events described require that we accept that the Author's intent to original hearers may be different than what we today would think it means. I take that part of the Scriptures to teach that man was originally living within God's Grace until such a time where man transgressed against God - does this mean that Adam & Eve picked literal fruit from a literal tree and consumed it AFTER they were told not to? No, I don't believe it is literal.
I have no reason to believe it wasn't literal. The bible presents it as literal and historical.

Do you believe Adam was a literal, historical person?
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
I believe that God used what we call evolution (to some degree I can't begin to guess) to effect and take care of life on this planet. I also don't speculate as to how old the earth is but would readily agree it's NOT something like 10,000 or 20,000 years old. Could it be millions or billions of years old? Sure - if it's proven that the earth is many millions of years old that wouldn't affect my Faith at all.

I don't believe that the creation of man was literally like how the Greek God's created man where a hominid god formed a figure out of clay and blew into it causing it to become "alive". I don't believe that.
The problem with this view...Thiestic-Evolution... is that it requires one to take many other portions of the bible and present them as not literal. We can go into more detail if you like.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
That's good to hear. It seemed to me that a dismissal of a literal Tree of Life could potentially lead to a dismissal of a literal Adam and Eve.
The second dismisssal is typically a dismissal of Noah and the World wide flood.
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
The Bible is a book of religious truths - and both its age and the events described require that we accept that the Author's intent to original hearers may be different than what we today would think it means. I take that part of the Scriptures to teach that man was originally living within God's Grace until such a time where man transgressed against God - does this mean that Adam & Eve picked literal fruit from a literal tree and consumed it AFTER they were told not to? No, I don't believe it is literal.
pythons;
God uses a Literal example of the physical world to teach Spiritual truth;
Parables, Proverbs and Dark sayings

Proverbs 6:6
the ants, Part of the Three Angels Messages of John's Rev.
Go to the ant, thou sluggard;
consider her ways, and be wise:

7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,

8 Provideth her meat in the summer,
and gathereth her food in the harvest.
 

Icyspark

Active member
Ex.32:1
And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount,
the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron,
and said unto him,

Up, make us gods, which shall go before us;
for as for this Moses,
the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt,
we wot not what is become of him
.

And Aaron said unto them,
Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives,
of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.



And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears,
and brought them unto Aaron.
And he received them at their hand,
and fashioned it with a graving tool,
after he had made it a molten calf:

and they said,
These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And when Aaron saw it,
he built an altar before it;
and Aaron made proclamation,
and said,
To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

And they rose up early on the morrow,
and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings;
and the people sat down to eat and to drink,
and rose up to play.


vs. 25 .. And when Moses saw that the people were naked;
(for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies)
Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp,
and said, ............................


Icy;
When you wear the ""Ear Rings"" of the Gods of Egypt
placed on you by those that speak for the Gods of Egypt
all you have is;
"""ears to hear """ the Voice of those that speak for
the Egyptian Gods


Hi Buzzard,

Sorry, still not tracking how this is relating to the tree of life.

God bless!
 

Icyspark

Active member
The second dismisssal is typically a dismissal of Noah and the World wide flood.


Hi CrowCross,

It doesn't sound like that's the direction he's taking his beliefs. I could be wrong. His response to my post indicates that he questions the biblical version of the creation of Adam, seemingly attributing the account to the Greeks :unsure: or something?

God bless!
 
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