TRINITY SPOKE =JESUS CREATED MAN

[imJRR]

LOL! Your post above is nothing but mere bluster. Here's why that's true: The proof of you not being honest and truthful with what the verse actually SAYS has been shown more than once, and all your posts have done since then is deny and run away.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Your post above is nothing but mere bluster. Here's why that's true: The proof of you not being honest and truthful with what the verse actually SAYS has been shown more than once, and all your posts have done since then is deny and run away.

You have-0

 

[imJRR]

LOL! The above post is just mere denial and false statement on your part. In other words, "the usual."
This is absolutely fine with me, keiw - You just keep right on putting up posts that show no ability at all to do anything but deliberately twist and pervert verses, and deny and run away, and make false statements. That your posts repeatedly do this for all to see is a real service to this thread.

 

[keiw]

LOL! The above post is just mere denial and false statement on your part. In other words, "the usual."
This is absolutely fine with me, keiw - You just keep right on putting up posts that show no ability at all to do anything but deliberately twist and pervert verses, and deny and run away, and make false statements. That your posts repeatedly do this for all to see is a real service to this thread.

John 20:17---its you who outright refuse to believe Jesus over errors.

 

[imJRR]

LOL! You're running away to another verse in the above. Considering how very poorly your postings were regarding Col. 1:15, this is understandable.

But, as usual, you're totally wrong in your assertion. Your posts glaringly show and prove that it is YOU who refuses to believe what the word of God says. Here's how and why that's true: The posting history here proves REPEATEDLY that denial, refusal, perverting verses, and running away when your posts are exposed and refuted are your only weapons. Your posts have done these things right here in this thread during the last few days with Col. 1:15. It is right here in this thread (and any other thread your posts are on) for anyone to see for themselves.

You want to look at Scriptures? Fine with me: John 1:1,18; John 12:45; John 14:1, 7-9; 20:28. Romans 10:13, Col. 1:15, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:1; Heb. 1:3, Rev. 3:14. Let's look at one of them - 2 Peter 1:1.
New International Version
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

New Living Translation
This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

English Standard Version
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Berean Standard Bible
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Berean Literal Bible
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those having obtained a faith equally precious with ours, through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

New King James Version
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

New American Standard Bible
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

NASB 1995
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

NASB 1977
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Legacy Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received the same kind of faith as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Amplified Bible
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle (special messenger, personally chosen representative) of Jesus Christ, To those who have received and possess [by God’s will] a precious faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Christian Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have received a faith equal to ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.


Now - Before you try to lamely come back with the assertion of, "Those are from trinitarian Bibles which are erroneous" - Forget it - That's not going to work, and here's why it's not going to work: If there's one thing your posting history shows again and again and again and again, it is that your posts show NO ability at all to support assertions like that. Yes, it's something you believe, but that's irrelevant. The POINT is - Your posts show ZERO ability to cogently establish or defend your assertions/beliefs with ANYTHING that can legitimately be called real, actual evidence.

Which means this: Since your posts have not ever shown and do not show ANY ability at all to support or defend your assertions, they are totally WITHOUT any credibility or validity at all. You can imagine they are if you wish - JWs have quite a few beliefs that are nothing more than imagination.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify about this.

 

[keiw]

LOL! You're running away to another verse in the above. Considering how very poorly your postings were regarding Col. 1:15, this is understandable.

But, as usual, you're totally wrong in your assertion. Your posts glaringly show and prove that it is YOU who refuses to believe what the word of God says. Here's how and why that's true: The posting history here proves REPEATEDLY that denial, refusal, perverting verses, and running away when your posts are exposed and refuted are your only weapons. Your posts have done these things right here in this thread during the last few days with Col. 1:15. It is right here in this thread (and any other thread your posts are on) for anyone to see for themselves.

You want to look at Scriptures? Fine with me: John 1:1,18; John 12:45; John 14:1, 7-9; 20:28. Romans 10:13, Col. 1:15, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:1; Heb. 1:3, Rev. 3:14. Let's look at one of them - 2 Peter 1:1.
New International Version
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

New Living Translation
This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

English Standard Version
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Berean Standard Bible
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Berean Literal Bible
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those having obtained a faith equally precious with ours, through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

New King James Version
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

New American Standard Bible
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

NASB 1995
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

NASB 1977
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Legacy Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received the same kind of faith as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Amplified Bible
Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle (special messenger, personally chosen representative) of Jesus Christ, To those who have received and possess [by God’s will] a precious faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Christian Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have received a faith equal to ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Simeon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.


Now - Before you try to lamely come back with the assertion of, "Those are from trinitarian Bibles which are erroneous" - Forget it - That's not going to work, and here's why it's not going to work: If there's one thing your posting history shows again and again and again and again, it is that your posts show NO ability at all to support assertions like that. Yes, it's something you believe, but that's irrelevant. The POINT is - Your posts show ZERO ability to cogently establish or defend your assertions/beliefs with ANYTHING that can legitimately be called real, actual evidence.

Which means this: Since your posts have not ever shown and do not show ANY ability at all to support or defend your assertions, they are totally WITHOUT any credibility or validity at all. You can imagine they are if you wish - JWs have quite a few beliefs that are nothing more than imagination.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify about this.

1Peter 1:3--Peter assures--The Father is Jesus' God. He would not contradict himself. Unless of course you teach God has a God and that would be more than 1 God.
My bible has -- By the righteousness of our God and ( the) savior Jesus Christ.
There was no-a an or the in the Greek written language. It had to be known where they belonged. And since we know Gods truth does not contradict itself and 1 Peter 1:3 is in every translation on earth, One knows its 100% truth then and The belongs at 2Peter1:1 so as to not contradict Gods truth.

 

[imJRR]

1Peter 1:3--Peter assures--The Father is Jesus' God. He would not contradict himself. Unless of course you teach God has a God and that would be more than 1 God.
My bible has -- By the righteousness of our God and ( the) savior Jesus Christ.
There was no-a an or the in the Greek written language. It had to be known where they belonged. And since we know Gods truth does not contradict itself and 1 Peter 1:3 is in every translation on earth, One knows its 100% truth then and The belongs at 2Peter1:1 so as to not contradict Gods truth.

LOL! Your post above TOTALLY RUNS AWAY from what 2 Peter 1:1 SAYS. No surprise AT ALL, considering how very poor (and worse) your postings on Col. 1:15 were. The translations I've listed are all legitimate (except in your imagination) and have it accurate, and there is NOTHING in ANY post by you ANYWHERE that shows ANY ability to prove that they do not. The only thing you have done in your post is make an assertion - Nothing more. Don't embarrass yourself any more than your posts have already by trying to foist the totally ludicrous idea that you're in any way qualified to "know" how a verse should be translated - Your posts not only DO NOT show that - They show deliberate, dishonest perversion of verses like Col. 1:15. By the way - In Heb. 1:3, it is declared that the Son IS the radiance of God's glory - Christ's radiance is the radiance of God Himself. No angel is that. The verse goes on to say that the Son is the EXACT representation/expression of the nature, essence, Being and Person of the Father. Everything the Father is, the Son is - There's nothing missing. No angel is that. In vs. 6, all of God's angels are directed to worship the Son. The word "all" means ALL - That includes Michael. In Heb. 1:8, the Father openly and directly refers to the Son as "God". And there are plenty of other Scriptures that declare the Deity of Christ.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Your post above TOTALLY RUNS AWAY from what 2 Peter 1:1 SAYS. No surprise AT ALL, considering how very poor (and worse) your postings on Col. 1:15 were. The translations I've listed are all legitimate (except in your imagination) and have it accurate, and there is NOTHING in ANY post by you ANYWHERE that shows ANY ability to prove that they do not. The only thing you have done in your post is make an assertion - Nothing more. Don't embarrass yourself any more than your posts have already by trying to foist the totally ludicrous idea that you're in any way qualified to "know" how a verse should be translated - Your posts not only DO NOT show that - They show deliberate, dishonest perversion of verses like Col. 1:15. By the way - In Heb. 1:3, it is declared that the Son IS the radiance of God's glory - Christ's radiance is the radiance of God Himself. No angel is that. The verse goes on to say that the Son is the EXACT representation/expression of the nature, essence, Being and Person of the Father. Everything the Father is, the Son is - There's nothing missing. No angel is that. In vs. 6, all of God's angels are directed to worship the Son. The word "all" means ALL - That includes Michael. In Heb. 1:8, the Father openly and directly refers to the Son as "God". And there are plenty of other Scriptures that declare the Deity of Christ.

My post is reality.
Yes Jesus is Gods image-not God. Jesus has a God. God does not have a God.

 

[imJRR]

LOL! Nope - Your post above is simply, flat out NOT being honest or truthful with what either 2 Peter 1:1 and Heb. 1:3 actually SAY.

NO surprise at all whatsoever.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Nope - Your post above is simply, flat out NOT being honest or truthful with what either 2 Peter 1:1 and Heb. 1:3 actually SAY.

NO surprise at all whatsoever.

Your translations teach 2 different truths-2 different Gods. Because of errors translated in.

 

[imJRR]

LOL! Nope. All you're doing in the above post is making an assertion - Nothing more.
Very, VERY typical for one of your posts.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Nope. All you're doing in the above post is making an assertion - Nothing more.
Very, VERY typical for one of your posts.

Its Fact--Paul taught who the true God is-the Father-1 Cor 8:6-- Its the only God Jesus pointed his true followers to as well-John 4:22-24-- Because of a capitol G error in the last line at John 1:1, your bibles teach 2 different Gods.

 

[imJRR]

Nope. Jesus Himself openly declared that seeing Him = seeing God Himself. John 12:45 and 14:7-9 would be two examples of this.
And then there are the multiple dishonesties of your posts with Col. 1:15; and other examples that can be pointed to.
As for your assertion regarding John 1:1 above - LOL! Thanks for the laugh. All you are attempting there is to try to foist the idea that you are in any way qualified to know how a verse should be translated and when error has occurred. Forget it - The recorded posting history shows (repeatedly) that that idea is simply NOT IN ANY WAY believable, period.

 

[keiw]

Nope. Jesus Himself openly declared that seeing Him = seeing God Himself. John 12:45 and 14:7-9 would be two examples of this.
And then there are the multiple dishonesties of your posts with Col. 1:15; and other examples that can be pointed to.
As for your assertion regarding John 1:1 above - LOL! Thanks for the laugh. All you are attempting there is to try to foist the idea that you are in any way qualified to know how a verse should be translated and when error has occurred. Forget it - The recorded posting history shows (repeatedly) that that idea is simply NOT IN ANY WAY believable, period.

Not very wise thinking saying no, when i backed the truth i shared with scripture.

 

[imJRR]

LOL! Your posting history shows repeatedly that when you "share" Scripture, you do not honestly or truthfully post what the verse SAYS.
My previous post is 100% valid. You can deny this all you wish - It means nothing.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Your posting history shows repeatedly that when you "share" Scripture, you do not honestly or truthfully post what the verse SAYS.
My previous post is 100% valid. You can deny this all you wish - It means nothing.

So far you have said a total of 0 why? Every scholar on earth knows 100% the God Israel served was not a trinity.

 

[imJRR]

LOL! Your post is just false assertion and running away. Just "the usual" - It's what your posts do best.

 

[keiw]

LOL! Your post is just false assertion and running away. Just "the usual" - It's what your posts do best.

Facts are never false. Only to those who live in darkness.

 

[imJRR]

There is nothing in your posts that any honest and truthful person would call "facts". Your treatment of Col. 1:15 and other verses very clearly shows that.

 

[keiw]

There is nothing in your posts that any honest and truthful person would call "facts". Your treatment of Col. 1:15 and other verses very clearly shows that.

Then stop beating around the bush and tell us when all creation occurred, if i am wrong.