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civic

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There is only one set of sinners; for all have sinned. Sinners are not a subset of a larger group.
No once again circular reasoning by your own standards . So according to your own criteria where did Jesus say He ONLY came to save sinners ?
 

PeanutGallery

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No once again circular reasoning by your own standards . So according to your own criteria where did Jesus say He ONLY came to save sinners ?
There is no circular reasoning.
There is only one set of sinners; for all have sinned. Sinners are not a subset of a larger group.
All have sinned is one set; of which subsets did Jesus only die for?
 

civic

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There is no circular reasoning.
There is only one set of sinners; for all have sinned. Sinners are not a subset of a larger group.
All have sinned is one set; of which subsets did Jesus only die for?
Nowhere does it say ONLY sinners

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John t

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There is only one group, sinners with many subgroups; which of the subgroups did Jesus only die for?
civic said:
Nowhere does it say ONLY sinners

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Here is your ":NEXT"
Romans 3::10
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned aside together; they have become worthless;
There is no one who practices kindness;
there is not even one.
13 Their throat is an opened grave;
they deceive with their tongues;
the venom of asps is under their lips,
14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 destruction and distress are in their paths,
17 and they have not known the way of peace.
18 The fear of God is not before their eyes.”
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
Here is your ":NEXT"
Romans 3::10
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned aside together; they have become worthless;
There is no one who practices kindness;
there is not even one.
13 Their throat is an opened grave;
they deceive with their tongues;
the venom of asps is under their lips,
14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 destruction and distress are in their paths,
17 and they have not known the way of peace.
18 The fear of God is not before their eyes.”
Where does scripture state Jesus did not die for their sins?
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
And I answered. You know how He did not die for their sins? They remain in their unbelief. How do you know he died for yours?
In your theology, no one knows for sure.
Scripture does state that Christ died for the ungodly sinful enemies of God, of which I am one.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

Reformedguy

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In your theology, no one knows for sure.
Scripture does state that Christ died for the ungodly sinful enemies of God, of which I am one.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
And you know for sure? Only God knows the heart right?

I was also until called into His marvelous light
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
In your theology, no one knows for sure.
Scripture does state that Christ died for the ungodly sinful enemies of God, of which I am one.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Do you know for sure? Only God knows the heart right? How do you know?
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
Do you know for sure? Only God knows the heart right? How do you know?
He told me:
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
He told me:
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
At that moment you believe, sure. What if you and your free will choose to walk away?
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
Do you know for sure? Only God knows the heart right? How do you know?
He told me:
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
At that moment you believe, sure. ...
If I do not supposedly know for sure; how can you know for sure?
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
He told me:
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If I do not supposedly know for sure; how can you know for sure?
If you preserve to the end you will know. If you don't you will know also.
 

TibiasDad

Well-known member
1-Who are the goats ?
2-Who are the sheep ?
3-Did Jesus lay down His life for the sheep or goats ?

Matthew 25

When the Son of Man comes(A) in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.(B) 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate(C) the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.(D) 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

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To be fair, this is the final judgement and says nothing about if the eventual goats were incapable of believing prior to this point.

Doug
 
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