Troubling news about future Viruses.

wiseones2cents

Well-known member
I am 100% certain that this virus is man made. Whether it was released on purpose or by accident is debateable. But the elites have taken full advantage of this "pandemic". The world health organization has made so many contradictory claims, its difficult to believe a word they have said. It doesnt "seem" like they were part of the "plandemic" or they would have been more convincing(rehearsed). The Media on the other hand is riding this plandemic at full throttle..... As are the governments......Pretty much world wide.

We've seen all the zombie movies, and the deadly virus movies and all the people that were warning that there would be a deadly virus coming. These aren't prophets. they knew what was in the works. They are desensitizing the public.

Are these viruses mutating or are different strains produced in a lab and released every year for profit(vaccines)? We know that people make new viruses and patent them and sell them to big Pharma. For what purpose? Capitalist profit.

Now someone from the world economic forum(which is also the architect of the "Great Reset" ) States a worse virus then the covid coming? This is very concerning. Will the public be living in fear indefinitely? It certainly looks as though by design.

The governments of the world have shown enormous incompetance in dealing with this virus. Is it due to an unprecedented situation or something more sinister?

All they had to do was lock down the world for 3 weeks MAX and the pandemic would have been over. Their half assed response has prolonged the virus and global suffering.

Look at China, where it supposedly origionated. They lockdown Wuhan and closed the borders and contained the Virus. Our governments? Still left business as usual for "Essential Business" with a large population of the work force still working. And allowed people to keep travelling. What a joke. Doesn't sound like they were really afraid of covid......Almost every world leader has been caught attending parties without masks. I find that odd......

 
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Electric Skeptic

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I am 100% certain that this virus is man made. Whether it was released on purpose or by accident is debateable. But the elites have taken full advantage of this "pandemic". The world health organization has made so many contradictory claims, its difficult to believe a word they have said. It doesnt "seem" like they were part of the "plandemic" or they would have been more convincing(rehearsed). The Media on the other hand is riding this plandemic at full throttle..... As are the governments......Pretty much world wide.

We've seen all the zombie movies, and the deadly virus movies and all the people that were warning that there would be a deadly virus coming. These aren't prophets. they knew what was in the works. They are desensitizing the public.

Are these viruses mutating or are different strains produced in a lab and released every year for profit(vaccines)? We know that people make new viruses and patent them and sell them to big Pharma. For what purpose? Capitalist profit.

Now someone from the world economic forum(which is also the architect of the "Great Reset" ) States a worse virus then the covid coming? This is very concerning. Will the public be living in fear indefinitely? It certainly looks as though by design.

The governments of the world have shown enormous incompetance in dealing with this virus. Is it due to an unprecedented situation or something more sinister?

All they had to do was lock down the world for 3 weeks MAX and the pandemic would have been over. Their half assed response has prolonged the virus and global suffering.

Look at China, where it supposedly origionated. They lockdown Wuhan and closed the borders and contained the Virus. Our governments? Still left business as usual for "Essential Business" with a large population of the work force still working. And allowed people to keep travelling. What a joke. Doesn't sound like they were really afraid of covid......Almost every world leader has been caught attending parties without masks. I find that odd......

Unsupported paranoia.
 

Andy Sist

Active member
Pandemics are nothing new to mankind. We've had several of them since 1900.
It's the only one where the top government leadership ignored the advice from pandemic science experts and medical professionals and instead did nothing but claim the pandemic was a fraud. That was a disgraceful and cowardly act which has already cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and will cost hundreds of thousands more before it is controlled.
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
It's the only one where the top government leadership ignored the advice from pandemic science experts and medical professionals and instead did nothing but claim the pandemic was a fraud. That was a disgraceful and cowardly act which has already cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and will cost hundreds of thousands more before it is controlled.
pandemic science experts and medical professionals ;
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and just "Who" are these "pandemic science experts and medical professionals" you speak of ?????
I think it was John Hopkins that posted their finding of this "Pandemic"
one of the most respected untill they refuted these
so called pandemic science experts and medical professionals;
and with in hours they were shouted down by the news media'
and your so called self appointed know nottin experts
 

Anthony

Active member
pandemic science experts and medical professionals ;
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and just "Who" are these "pandemic science experts and medical professionals" you speak of ?????
I think it was John Hopkins that posted their finding of this "Pandemic"
one of the most respected untill they refuted these
so called pandemic science experts and medical professionals;
and with in hours they were shouted down by the news media'
and your so called self appointed know nottin experts
One of the most important thing is that there is no proper scientific study on human immune system in respect to Epidemics.

It's certain that any virus whether man-made or otherwise affect only a minute percentage of the people in any country. It doesn't affect the majority of the world's population and yet CV has been declared to be pandemic rather than seasonal epidemic that affects the people mostly during winter months.

Viruses always mutate therefore, vaccines are ineffective. People must be made aware of living heathy lifestyle there by boosting their immune system.

Dr.Shiva Ayudarai - US based scientist has good videos on his research on Human Immune System which are worth watching. The pandemic fear among the people would vanish if they were to only understand the importance of living a healthy lifestyle.
 

Electric Skeptic

Well-known member
pandemic science experts and medical professionals ;
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and just "Who" are these "pandemic science experts and medical professionals" you speak of ?????
I think it was John Hopkins that posted their finding of this "Pandemic"
one of the most respected untill they refuted these
so called pandemic science experts and medical professionals;
and with in hours they were shouted down by the news media'
and your so called self appointed know nottin experts
As always, the pandemic science experts and medical professionals are the medical community. Anybody who thinks they are "know nottin" is just ignorant.
 

vibise

Well-known member
A few points:

Emerging pathogens are a huge concern among medical professionals. We routinely identify new human diseases caused by viruses or other pathogens that have jumped from other species. Covid is just the most recent example, other examples being MERS, SARS, hantavirus, various influenzas and, of course, AIDs, caused by HIV-1, which evolved from simian viruses.

Vaccines differ in their efficacy. The measles vaccine is highly effective and results in decades-long immunity, tetanus shots protect for about 10 years, whereas flu shots are less effective because the influenza viruses mutate rapidly, becoming resistant to specific vaccines. There is no universal flu vaccine, although scientists have been working on that. There is also no vaccine for HIV, despite decades of work, because HIV mutates so rapidly that variant swarms are found in the body of any infected individual.

Yes, researchers modify viruses in the lab to try to identify the segments of their proteins necessary for their replication and therefore vulnerable to attack by therapeutics. This work resulted in, for example, highly successful drugs used to treat AIDs. Note that when virologists submit their studies for publication, they have to present assurances that their work has not produced viruses with increased virulence or decreased susceptibility to therapeutic agents.

The covid vaccine uses a very novel platform in that it is based on mRNA, which provides the instructions for the body to make a specific viral protein that is then recognized by the immune system as non-self, and attacked. This methodology is in contrast to previous vaccines which relied on attenuated live viruses or purified viral proteins. This new approach is a huge scientific advance. I plan to get this vaccine when it is available to me.
 

LifeIn

Well-known member
It's certain that any virus whether man-made or otherwise affect only a minute percentage of the people in any country.
That depends on what you call "minute". The flu has resulted in 9.3 million to 49 million illnesses each year in the United States since 2010. Each year, on average, five to 20 percent of the United States population gets the flu. It is estimated that the flu results in 31.4 million outpatient visits and more than 200,000 hospitalizations each year. That is not exactly "minute."

It doesn't affect the majority of the world's population and yet CV has been declared to be pandemic rather than seasonal epidemic that affects the people mostly during winter months.
Why should the standard be that it affect the majority of the world's population? A "pandemic" is an epidemic that occurs world-wide, which this one is. A seasonal epidemic is one that occurs in a specific season. This one does not.

Viruses always mutate therefore, vaccines are ineffective.
Viruses can mutate, but they do so at different rates, and in some cases the vaccine is still effective against the mutated varieties. For example, the same Measles vaccine has been at least 93% effective for decades. Flu vaccines that have been developed, on the other hand, are only effective against specific strains and needs to be re-engineered every year. Since the Covid vaccines are using a new technique against the specific spike protein on the SARS-Cov-2 virus, it is unknown at this time if mutations of Covid will remain susceptible to the vaccine (or vaccines, since we have several).

People must be made aware of living heathy lifestyle there by boosting their immune system.
Good advice. But not enough. People living very healthy lifestyles and eating very healthy diets are still catching Covid.

Dr.Shiva Ayudarai - US based scientist has good videos on his research on Human Immune System which are worth watching. The pandemic fear among the people would vanish if they were to only understand the importance of living a healthy lifestyle.
This is an example of cherry-picking the doc who says what you want to hear. We need to vet our sources and not give somebody who happens to have a webcam and a degree the same respect we should give to the CDC, for example. And we need not live in fear. But we should take reasonable precautions, which is to wash our hands, wear a mask when with others, limit unnecessary gatherings indoors in close quarters to only the essentials, and get a vaccination when you can.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
It's the only one where the top government leadership ignored the advice from pandemic science experts and medical professionals and instead did nothing but claim the pandemic was a fraud. That was a disgraceful and cowardly act which has already cost the U.S. hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and will cost hundreds of thousands more before it is controlled.
Fao Chi (quack)

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands Feb 19 Fao Chi​


The top US public health officials today said the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak that began in Wuhan, China, is not a threat to the average American citizen.

"Americans should know this is a potentially very serious public health threat, but Americans should not worry for their own safety," said Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

"We have no evidence of human-to-human transmission in the United States," said Messonnier. "All the cases have been directly transmitted from China."

Why did you make that up and turn to finger pointing?

You are a medical outsider and pushing a political posturing.


Drunkard Pelosis says "it is very safe to be in China Town". She is idiot.
 

Septextura

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LifeIn

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Fao Chi (quack)
Despite your childish name-calling, Dr. Anthony Fauci is the most trusted voice in America on this virus, and for good reason.

The top US public health officials today said the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak that began in Wuhan, China, is not a threat to the average American citizen.

"Americans should know this is a potentially very serious public health threat, but Americans should not worry for their own safety," said Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
This was true based on the best information available at the time it was spoken.

"We have no evidence of human-to-human transmission in the United States," said Messonnier. "All the cases have been directly transmitted from China."
Also was true at the time it was spoken.

Pelosis says "it is very safe to be in China Town". She is idiot.
Context is important. This statement was made at the time that all restaurants were open, and the administration was down-playing the virus big time and encouraging people to go about their business as usual. The exception was Chinese-owned businesses. Because of the Xenophobia encouraged by the administration, people of Chinese descent, even those that have lived in the US for decades, were being singled out for blame, and their businesses were being irrationally boycotted, while business at Perkins and Applebee's and Red Lobster, etc. were still going strong. To rectify this injustice, Pelosi assured people that Chinatown was as safe as any other restaurant. And since no one at that time was saying that other restaurants were unsafe, there was no reason not to encourage people to go to Chinatown. As you see, her statement was not one of an idiot, but of one concerned with justice.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
pandemic science experts and medical professionals ;
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and just "Who" are these "pandemic science experts and medical professionals" you speak of ?????
I think it was John Hopkins that posted their finding of this "Pandemic"
one of the most respected untill they refuted these
so called pandemic science experts and medical professionals;
and with in hours they were shouted down by the news media'
and your so called self appointed know nottin experts
Who is WHO

Coronavirus Is Spreading, but W.H.O. Says It’s Not a Global Emergency​

The number of cases outside China is small, and the disease............
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Despite your childish name-calling, Dr. Anthony Fauci is the most trusted voice in America on this virus, and for good reason.
So why did he lie?

Pot calling the kettle black. Most "trusted" alarmist is Mike Mann who lied about his Nobel Peace Prize. Who defends Mike lying and Mike adjusting data?

FaoChi lies.

He predicted 2,000,000 dead. Why? he relied on dishonest sources. You are a medical outsider. Based on what?

As a math/stats outsider you don't understand modeling or stats, and neither does FaoChi.

By the way, as a medicine outsider, it is medical negligence on FaoChi's part to NOT tell us about side effects of lockdowns including violence, drug over doses, suicides and crime.


I am the only member on CARM that ever hired an actual professional epidemiologist. He was the Director of epidemiology in a very large teaching hospital. An insider. He worked INSIDE healthcare. FaoChi the quack works in an office cube farm and "reads" papers. Epidemiology is not a new concept for me.


2 million dead
That means you and he have not a clue about how Hospitals deal with isolation protocols and infectious diseases.

I have worn a mask in surgery 10,000 hours more than you have.
 

Electric Skeptic

Well-known member
I am the only member on CARM that ever hired an actual professional epidemiologist.
I am the only member on CARM that ever hired fifteen actual professional epidemiologists at once. They all worked INSIDE healthcare. And an office.
I have worn a mask in surgery 10,000 hours more than you have.
I have worn a mask in surgery 20,000 hours more than you have.

While carrying a cow.
 

LifeIn

Well-known member
So why did he lie?
He didn't, as I have already explained, if you bothered to read.

He predicted 2,000,000 dead. Why?
Misquote. He said that without any mitigation at all, 2 million could die. That is true. We did have mitigation - lots of it. That is why the death toll is only 300K right now.

You are a medical outsider.
Fauci is not.

As a math/stats outsider you don't understand modeling or stats, and neither does FaoChi.
Try to discuss the issues and not other posters, OK?


By the way, as a medicine outsider, it is medical negligence on FaoChi's part to NOT tell us about side effects of lockdowns including violence, drug over doses, suicides and crime.
Fauci is head of the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He offers his expertise in the area he knows about. It is up to others add their expertise - not Dr. Fauci.

I am the only member on CARM that ever hired an actual professional epidemiologist.
Good for you. But we are anonymous on this forum, and we do not support our arguments on personal authority. Very bad debating technique! ("Trust me! I know what I am talking about! :D")
 
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