True non canonical prophet

[YeshuaFan]

Well, great. You personally didn't make it up, but it's not biblical. That means it's pretty much the same as if you made it up.





Something about this premise smells fishy.





Yes, Ellen White said she had the gift of prophecy. No, she didn't "define doctrine." All Adventist doctrine is based on the Bible and that's why you never see anyone defending our doctrine based on what Ellen White said (unlike Catholics who appeal to their tradition to validate their extra biblical beliefs).

If you would pay attention to your own quote you'd see that the context indicates that the circumstance in question was how to correctly interpret "new doctrines" being "brought in" by "ministers and doctors." Those involved in this situation searched the Scriptures "with much prayer." Sometimes they would spend "whole nights ... devoted to searching the Scriptures." When was the last time you devoted a whole night to "searching the Scriptures"? Since the Roman Catholic Church devalues the Scriptures in favor of elevating its own contraflictory traditions then it's not likely that any emphasis is placed on reading the Scriptures. Wasn't it the RCC that forbade the translation of the Scripture so that the common person could read it for themselves? Um, yeah. After all if the people could read the Scriptures for themselves then they would see the heresy that the RCC was teaching and a reformation would likely take place. Oh wait ...

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Gift to prophesy was NOT same as being a prophet, as that gift was not giving forth infallible doctrines or interpretations as she claimed to have!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yes, Ellen was enabled to define what is truth and what is error.

That is why our sda sabbath school members ask “what did Ellen say about that” when discussing bible topics in sabbath school classes.

That truth is what enabled our General Conference session to vote in favor of the statement of confidence in 2015 that voiced the policy that Ellen’s interpretations are the normative character of scripture

“On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages, and in a variety of printed and electronic formats. We affirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. RATHER THAN REPLACING THE BIBLE, THEY UPLIFT THE NORMATIVE CHARACTER OF SCRIPTURE AND CORRECT INACCURATE INTERPRETATIONS OF IT derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

She was EXACTLY the same as Joseph Smith and Pastor Russell, as all were heretics who claimed to be speaking for God!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yes, and the primary reason is because Ellen's testimonies (her alleged inspired words) are against the Trinity.

“We invite all to compare the testimonies of the Holy Spirit through Mrs. W., with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The trinitarian may compare them with his creed, and because they do not agree with it, condemn them. The observer of Sunday, or the man who holds eternal torment an important truth, and the minister that sprinkles infants, may each condemn the testimonies’ of Mrs. W. because they do not agree with their peculiar views. And a hundred more, each holding different views, may come to the same conclusion. But their genuineness can never be tested in this way.” - Review & Herald, June 13, 1871

They = the TESTIMONIES not of Ellen White BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT. What they are saying is that Ellen's part of this [anti-Trinitarian] rhetoric was only the meat suit.

The Doctrine of the the Peccability of Christ and the Personality of God are two Doctrines that are incompatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity - you simply CAN'T believe in the Trinity while affirming Ellen White was in any way a prophet other than false.

Her husband and MANY early Sda leaders were strongly affirming heresy of Arianism!

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
@YeshuaFan, Human sacrifices(deaths) are required to appeal to the theocracy government of the men in Sunday sacredness, demonstrate authority to others over GOD's authority in the sabbath sacredness. The irony is the judgments of GOD against Sunday keepers.

Jesus already judged the teachings of Ellen White as being authoritative and inspired! [ My opinion]
So what do you propose should be the tie breaker?

"So what do you propose should be the tie breaker?", Patience in the fulfillment of prophecy to come. To see who murders whom for what reason(s) ...

One of the true purposes of GOD's Omniscience in prophecy to doubters. What comes true is true.

This will also show who's side we are on doctrinally for authority.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[pythons]

Well, the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments so I'd say that keeping that keeping the Ten Commandments would be part of what it takes to be saved - no doubt no one keeps them perfectly. My beef is that the SDA's claim one needs to keep the CEREMONIAL ASPECTS of the Sabbath which is wrong to say the least.

 

[Buzzard]

Buzzard said:
Michael.
Christ said His Name Sake;
not some Sunday Law
why are you so blind to the words of Christ
Matt.24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations
for my name's sake.
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Prologue:
@YeshuaFan, Human sacrifices(deaths) are required to appeal to the theocracy government of the men in Sunday sacredness, demonstrate authority to others over GOD's authority in the sabbath sacredness. The irony is the judgments of GOD against Sunday keepers.


Yours in Christ, Michael

Posters and Lurkers
you would of thought by now Michael would find out
what or who is the name sake of Christ

 

[Icyspark]

She was EXACTLY the same as Joseph Smith and Pastor Russell, as all were heretics who claimed to be speaking for God!

And basically since you elevate your opinion to the level of Joseph Smith and "Pastor" Russell are you not condemning yourself as a heretic and tacitly claiming to speak for God? You supply NOTHING but personal opinion yet you expect that your opinion should carry more weight than the very words of God! That there is an example of irony.

 

[Icyspark]

Gift to prophesy was NOT same as being a prophet, as that gift was not giving forth infallible doctrines or interpretations as she claimed to have!

More personal opinion elevated above the Word of God. This too is ironic.

 

[pythons]

And basically since you elevate your opinion to the level of Joseph Smith and "Pastor" Russell are you not condemning yourself as a heretic and tacitly claiming to speak for God? You supply NOTHING but personal opinion yet you expect that your opinion should carry more weight than the very words of God! That there is an example of irony.

Its in the record that Ellen White supported the peccability of Christ - this is incompatible with Christ being God.

Its in the record that Ellen made prophecies that didn't come to pass - this is incompatible with her being a prophet.

Ellen didn't like the Catholic Church but claimed more power than the Papacy does - Ellen claimed to define Doctrines.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Prologue:
@YeshuaFan, Human sacrifices(deaths) are required to appeal to the theocracy government of the men in Sunday sacredness, demonstrate authority to others over GOD's authority in the sabbath sacredness. The irony is the judgments of GOD against Sunday keepers.

"So what do you propose should be the tie breaker?", Patience in the fulfillment of prophecy to come. To see who murders whom for what reason(s) ...

One of the true purposes of GOD's Omniscience in prophecy to doubters. What comes true is true.

This will also show who's side we are on doctrinally for authority.

Yours in Christ, Michael

The Bible is fully sufficient and ONLY source for all things of doctrines and practices!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Its in the record that Ellen White supported the peccability of Christ - this is incompatible with Christ being God.

Its in the record that Ellen made prophecies that didn't come to pass - this is incompatible with her being a prophet.

Ellen didn't like the Catholic Church but claimed more power than the Papacy does - Ellen claimed to define Doctrines.

her church elevated her to be the 13 female Apostle of Christ!

 

[YeshuaFan]

And basically since you elevate your opinion to the level of Joseph Smith and "Pastor" Russell are you not condemning yourself as a heretic and tacitly claiming to speak for God? You supply NOTHING but personal opinion yet you expect that your opinion should carry more weight than the very words of God! That there is an example of irony.

I ONLY state what the scriptures themselves state in regards to false prophets coming in the future, as they would have false doctrines and gospels!

 

[YeshuaFan]

More personal opinion elevated above the Word of God. This too is ironic.

Gift of prophesy did not make one a Prophet!

 

[Christian SDA]

More personal opinion elevated above the Word of God. This too is ironic.

More personal opinion in my opinion

 

[BJ Bear]

Hi RiJoRi,

Do you accept the two texts I shared in my first post?



If you can acknowledge the ongoing nature of these two texts for "the church" then perhaps I'd be willing to engage with you in this discussion. Those who are deniers of this simple premise have no reason to pursue tests of prophets whom they've predetermined cannot exist.

God bless.

Are you referring to Eph 4:11? If so then the type of action is undefined, that is, it is an error to assert that it as an ongoing action based on Eph 4:11

 

[pythons]

her church elevated her to be the 13 female Apostle of Christ!

I think you're right!

 

[RiJoRi]

The Offices of both the OT Prophet and NT Apostle are now closed off, as there were NO additional revelations since John passed!

And even if there were prophets after ~AD 100, they would still be subject to the tests given in Deuteronomy - does what they prophesy come to pass? Do they teach correctly of the One True God?

--Rich
"Esse quam videri"

 

[YeshuaFan]

And even if there were prophets after ~AD 100, they would still be subject to the tests given in Deuteronomy - does what they prophesy come to pass? Do they teach correctly of the One True God?

--Rich
"Esse quam videri"

Joseph Smith, Pastor Russell, Ellen White, and Muhammed all epic failed!

 

[Icyspark]

Joseph Smith, Pastor Russell, Ellen White, and Muhammed all epic failed!

Look up irony and see how it applies to your words.

 

[Icyspark]

I ONLY state what the scriptures themselves state in regards to false prophets coming in the future, as they would have false doctrines and gospels!

That's the closest you've come to suggesting something other than your own opinion.

Yes, we are warned against false prophets. But guess what? Where there is the false, there is also the true. Jesus never said to beware of anyone who claims to be a prophet. If He did then you'd have a point.

1 Corinthians 12:28​

And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.​

Say it with me: "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... PROPHETS" So no, you're not stating "ONLY" what the Scriptures themselves state. You're making an allusion to a text out of context and making it a pretext.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark