True non canonical prophet

[BJ Bear]

::Rolls eyes::

And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? This is exactly what I predicted you'd do:

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.​

Your response is an attempt at deflection. You can't engage the premise biblically, so you throw out two random quotes which have nothing to do with each other or with the topic at hand. It's bizarre and sad.

Which two questions? Thanks.

 

[Common Tater]

You continue to reveal a serious lack of biblical knowledge and discernment. The gift of prophecy is not given out in a predetermined linear path à la Mormonism or Catholicism. One prophet is not generally replaced by another prophet. In fact there's only one place in the Bible where that happened. So there's one example for you of something Mormons and Catholics do which is not biblically approved (i.e. appointing a new prophet to replace a dead or dying one. And yes I know, technically Catholics don't call their leader a prophet, but he speaks with as much or greater authority as a prophet).

Are you familiar with what the prophet Amos had to say about this?

Amos 8:11-13​

“The time is surely coming,” says the Sovereign Lord, “when I will send a famine on the land—not a famine of bread or water but of hearing the words of the Lord. People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from border to border searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. Beautiful girls and strong young men will grow faint in that day, thirsting for the Lord’s word.​

​

God, through His servant Amos, predicted that there would be a famine "of hearing the words of the Lord." Your premise is invalid. It is made up in the sparks of your imagination. This continues to illustrate my point. You don't/won't accept the word of God as it reads. 👇



Your denial of these clear verses implicates you just as I said. There is no reason to provide you with a list when you cannot acknowledge something so abundantly obvious as these two texts. Just read your rebuttal. It's all rhetoric and personal opinion. Not even the slightest appeal to biblical authority. And no. I still do not accept your finite, personal opinion over the inspired word of Paul.

Here's your opportunity to address the above two texts. At what point did Paul's clear acknowledgement that "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets" become negated? Where your biblical authorization for cancelling Paul's affirmative. Where's the biblical counterpart to Paul's admonition to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy"?

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.

I pray this helps.

Please show me where I have denied the possibility of a modern day prophet. I do deny that Ellen White is a prophet of God however. That is not the same thing.

My understanding of a New Testament prophet is that found in 1 Corinthians 14:1-3:

Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

I see it as spirit-filled teaching. I also believe what is further said in verses 29-33:

Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

So a prophet remains in control of his or her spirit. Also, what one of these prophets is not on par with Scripture.

Christ and his word are supreme.

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world Hebrews 1:1-2 NASB

Even the prophets of the Old Testament must yield to the Son.

Six days later, Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John, and brought them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them. Elijah appeared to them along with Moses; and they were talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” For he did not know what to answer; for they became terrified. 7Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!” Mark 9:2-7 NASB

We are to test a prophet because we are warned there will be false one. I cannot accept as a true prophet, one who willfully disobeys the repeated admonitions in Scripture that we are not to take part in setting a date for the Lord's return. I cannot accept as a true prophet, one who contradicts Scripture. Exodus 35:2-3 commanded that the Israelites were not to light a fire in their dwellings on the Sabbath. Ellen White said that it was the Scribes and Pharisees who had made that command. Ellen White had her "Health Reform Vision" in 1865 and yet was still eating oysters as late as 1882. She had so little understanding of the Bible that she couldn't recognize oysters as being unclean in the Levitical law.

I'm not denying prophets in the church. I am denying that Ellen White was one.

 

[BJ Bear]

Hi Common Tater,

That's fine that you accept one of the several listed gifts of the Spirit. Still, you have not assented to the belief that the gift of prophecy is something left for "the CHURCH." It doesn't matter if you believe in a spiritual gift of distinguishing between spirits if you have predetermined that you'll never need to distinguish between spirits since you don't acknowledge the possibility of a non biblical gift of prophecy. It's a circular reasoning logical fallacy.

Let me just repost what I said earlier:

Attention Lurkers: The Bible very clearly says, "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets ..." It also says that Christians are to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy." Former Adventists and critics of Adventism deny these clear verities and thus cannot be expected to objectively, honestly and fairly examine anyone who claims to have the gift of prophecy.​

​

So go ahead, let's hear you affirm that the gift of prophecy remains for "the CHURCH." If you can affirm that then we can progress to how you quite possibly are going to pour new meaning into the terms "prophet" and "prophecy." Generally the critics of Adventism can't leave these terms alone and prefer to redefine them to suit their preconceptions and misconceptions.

God bless.

Regarding 1Cor12:28, the verb translated as has set or has placed is an aorist. This means the type of action (some grammarians call it aspect) is undefined. The takeaway for the reader is that the action occurred. The takeaway is not that God will continue to do so or not continue to do so. Undefined is undefined.

“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.” (1Cor 12:28, KJVA)

 

[BJ Bear]

Hi BJ Bear,

So I'm surmising that nothing Paul or any of the New Testament authors wrote has any relevance to you unless your name is specifically mentioned in their writings? If that's the case then you can't even acknowledge being a Christian or what being a Christian even means.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

While searching for your two questions this out of context response popped up again.

The in context point remains whether a person is one of the intended first century reader or a twentyfirst century reader is that the type of action is undefined. The takeaway for readers of all centuries is that the action occurred. The takeaway is not whether God continues to set or place, or that God does not continue to set or place. Undefined is undefined.

 

[Buzzard]

Hi Common Tater,

Let me just repost what I said earlier:

Attention Lurkers: The Bible very clearly says, "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets ..." It also says that Christians are to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy." Former Adventists and critics of Adventism deny these clear verities and thus cannot be expected to objectively, honestly and fairly examine anyone who claims to have the gift of prophecy.​

​

So go ahead, let's hear you affirm that the gift of prophecy remains for "the CHURCH." If you can affirm that then we can progress to how you quite possibly are going to pour new meaning into the terms "prophet" and "prophecy." Generally the critics of Adventism can't leave these terms alone and prefer to redefine them to suit their preconceptions and misconceptions.

God bless.

Attention Lurkers: The Bible very clearly says,

yes scripture clearly says there will be Prophets in the Church
no one, at least me; denys that
the question is
is Ellen G White a true or false Prophet

Col.2:1​

For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you​

and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face,​

Laodicea that would be the present time,
when the SDA's come on the scene

Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels,​

going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,​

,,​

These have indeed an appearance of wisdom​

in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body,​

but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.​

and they go on and on and on in great detail about all the visions of EGW
and her """"""Angel"""" that showed her things it was unlawful for man to speak of
but that didn't stop her from speaking and writting book after book did it ????????????

Ecc.12:11​

The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies,​

(that would be Paul = The Master Builder)​

which are given from one shepherd.​

​

12 And further, by these, (The words of the wise) my son, be admonished:​

of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.​

Now; the question is
is Ellen G White a true or false Prophet

 

[Christian SDA]

::Rolls eyes::

And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? This is exactly what I predicted you'd do:

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.​

Your response is an attempt at deflection. You can't engage the premise biblically, so you throw out two random quotes which have nothing to do with each other or with the topic at hand. Were It's bizarre and sad.

Are you thus claim that the critics of Ellen and the sda teachings she supports in her writings are elevating their opinions over the “i was shown/thus sayeth the lord” statements written by Ellen n?

 

[Icyspark]

Are you thus claim that the critics of Ellen and the sda teachings she supports in her writings are elevating their opinions over the “i was shown/thus sayeth the lord” statements written by Ellen n?

As suspected. You're making up stuff. It's so much easier to be an advocate for truth than to be caught in lies.

 

[Icyspark]

Attention Lurkers: The Bible very clearly says,

yes scripture clearly says there will be Prophets in the Church
no one, at least me; denys that
the question is
is Ellen G White a true or false Prophet

Col.2:1​

For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you​

and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face,​

Laodicea that would be the present time,
when the SDA's come on the scene

Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels,​

going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,​

,,​

These have indeed an appearance of wisdom​

in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body,​

but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.​

and they go on and on and on in great detail about all the visions of EGW
and her """"""Angel"""" that showed her things it was unlawful for man to speak of
but that didn't stop her from speaking and writting book after book did it ????????????

Ecc.12:11​

The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies,​

(that would be Paul = The Master Builder)​

which are given from one shepherd.​

​

12 And further, by these, (The words of the wise) my son, be admonished:​

of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.​

Now; the question is
is Ellen G White a true or false Prophet

Setting aside that your post is nonsensical gibberish I'll answer your question in the affirmative. Yes, Ellen G. White is a true prophet.

 

[Christian SDA]

As suspected. You're making up stuff. It's so much easier to be an advocate for truth than to be caught in lies.

Just repeating the content of your post back to you.

 

[Icyspark]

Just repeating the content of your post back to you.

Resjudicata

 

[Christian SDA]

Resjudicata

You must have forgotten the content of your post.

 

[Common Tater]

They are first/sun day keepers, and not walking in Jesus' footsteps while on earth.

Seventh-day Adventists adamantly declare that the Levitical food laws are still in effect. Ellen White consumed oysters, an unclean meat, at least as late as 1882 and more likely 1891, even though she had her "Health Reform Vision" in 1863, which she declared to be part of the Three Angels Message. If you are going to declare Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, and Charles Taze Russell to be false prophets for breaking the Fourth Commandment, Ellen White's willful breaking of the Levitical Food Laws would also mean she was a false prophet.