True non canonical prophet

[Formersda]

You continue to reveal a serious lack of biblical knowledge and discernment. The gift of prophecy is not given out in a predetermined linear path à la Mormonism or Catholicism. One prophet is not generally replaced by another prophet. In fact there's only one place in the Bible where that happened. So there's one example for you of something Mormons and Catholics do which is not biblically approved (i.e. appointing a new prophet to replace a dead or dying one. And yes I know, technically Catholics don't call their leader a prophet, but he speaks with as much or greater authority as a prophet).

Are you familiar with what the prophet Amos had to say about this?

Amos 8:11-13​

“The time is surely coming,” says the Sovereign Lord, “when I will send a famine on the land—not a famine of bread or water but of hearing the words of the Lord. People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from border to border searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. Beautiful girls and strong young men will grow faint in that day, thirsting for the Lord’s word.​

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God, through His servant Amos, predicted that there would be a famine "of hearing the words of the Lord." Your premise is invalid. It is made up in the sparks of your imagination. This continues to illustrate my point. You don't/won't accept the word of God as it reads. 👇



Your denial of these clear verses implicates you just as I said. There is no reason to provide you with a list when you cannot acknowledge something so abundantly obvious as these two texts. Just read your rebuttal. It's all rhetoric and personal opinion. Not even the slightest appeal to biblical authority. And no. I still do not accept your finite, personal opinion over the inspired word of Paul.

Here's your opportunity to address the above two texts. At what point did Paul's clear acknowledgement that "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets" become negated? Where your biblical authorization for cancelling Paul's affirmative. Where's the biblical counterpart to Paul's admonition to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy"?

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.

I pray this helps.

For clarity I don’t need to answer your questions as you have not addressed the OP.
Is there only ONE church?

 

[Icyspark]

For clarity I don’t need to answer your questions as you have not addressed the OP.
Is there only ONE church?

For clarity, you are responding with hyperbole and rhetoric and are not relying on the Word of God.

ATTN. ONLURKERS: My guarantee has been met.

 

[Formersda]

For clarity, you are responding with hyperbole and rhetoric and are not relying on the Word of God.

ATTN. ONLURKERS: My guarantee has been met.

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Can‘t answer the OP question so resorts to diversion tactics and strawman arguments.

 

[SDAchristian]

How Joseph Smith is a hypocrite?
A hypocrite of GOD's own words, like "Balaam", Yes.

Mosiah 18, especially verse 23.

I am going to guess you are not familiar with the Book of Mormon, that contains "Mosiah 18, especially verse 23.". Something that was super easy to Google for meaning.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV 1C 2:12-14 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

The day GOD takes away the spiritual gift of free will from the sinners in the judgment day, It is too late to change for them, to change their mind, in the light of GOD's complete Revelation.

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Can‘t answer the OP question so resorts to diversion tactics and strawman arguments.

AV Jn 10:23-26 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

So you are looking for a literal answer for people("the natural man"), who do not get it, Like the Jews did to Jesus ???

AV Re 16:4-7 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

The real answer is who kills whom. So did "Lord God Almighty" lie about "For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets", for a plague to destroy living people who meet GOD's criteria for selection of this plague ???

Because this is a spiritual plague, will any acknowledge GOD's Omniscience in the future of the death "of saints and prophets", as THE GOD's HONEST TRUTH ???

Can anyone identify either "of saints and prophets" now ???

Of course, many will wait until the third plague to find out their error. GOD's solution is to judge back, the judgment given to "of saints and prophets". Spiritual equality given by GOD for blasphemy for those who act in the Name of GOD in ignorance, to kill others.

Do we know how to spot a theocracy, that has laws for death for spiritual issues that belong to GOD ALONE ??? <<< Do we realize, it was GOD that decided the death penalty for picking up sticks on sabbath ???

The cognitive dissonance issue here is: Will GOD's people will be guilty of "For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets" in the end of time ???

Add to your list: This will be perpetrated by false prophets, to kill true prophets, noting GOD's timing in Free Will Choice to the false Prophets.

Should we add to the list those that kill the reputation of dead GOD's prophets, in ignorance of course ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Common Tater]

Prologue:
AV 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

What about discerning the spirit of first/sun day worshipers, during the Sunday Law Death decree ???

Who gets to punish with death, the violations/sins only to GOD alone ???

I will say it plainly for thought here: The authority of first/sun day rest/worship is GOD's or man's, to give punishment for ???

AV Hb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Will Jesus have the right to keep sabbath still ???

I am not looking forward to cognitive dissonance issues over what is the authority of GOD versus the authority of men.

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@Common Tater, Please do not take this personally. These things take place in governments(in the Bible as "beasts") and their laws. Your future objections to these laws, will not matter. What will matter is, your choice of who's authority to place first in your own life, GOD's or man's.

The government of Jesus' time killed Jesus(hint, hint, hint). It will happen again, in a future theocracy !!! Except, those people will be labeled terrorist(to get compliance with the laws of men), going against the government's belief system.

AV Re 18:3-5 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Heed the Call of GOD !!!

Yours in Christ, Michael

What Sunday Law Death Decree? Which country/countries has the decree?

Again you flog Sunday Sabbatarianism. Most Christians, back to the very earliest times of the church, meet on the first day of the week to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. However, most Christians, again back to the very earliest times of the church, do/did not see the first day of the week as holy and go/went about their day after meeting. The Sabbath was never transferred from the seventh day to the first. The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant/Mosaic Covenant/Siniatic Covenant (choose what name you wish to call it) between God and Israel, and Israel alone.
Jesus was also circumcised and observed all of the Jewish feast days and festivals. Do you? If not, and I am sure the answer is no, you do not, what about "Jesus yesterday, today, and forever"?

On November 26 of this year, in Ta'agbe, Nigeria, eleven Christians were murdered and another thirty wounded, not because of the day they worshiped on, but for who they worshiped. But you do not see these people as martyrs for the faith because they did not die during some imaginary Sunday Law Death Decree. You have turned the Sabbath into an idol, a god you worship instead of Christ.

 

[Icyspark]

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Can‘t answer the OP question so resorts to diversion tactics and strawman arguments.

Your OP is like asking an atheist who doesn't believe in the existence of Jesus to explain why he should believe in the miracles of Jesus. That's your straw man, not mine. Your OP is the proverbial putting of the cart before the horse. That you don't understand that is on you. It's a rejection of Jesus to reject His words given through His servant Paul.

Let's just cross out these two texts from the critic's Bible and add them to the abundance of other texts which they patently deny:

1 Corinthians 12:28​

And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.​

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1 Corinthians 14:1​

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.​

You have to learn to walk before you can run. I'm done.

 

[YeshuaFan]

You continue to reveal a serious lack of biblical knowledge and discernment. The gift of prophecy is not given out in a predetermined linear path à la Mormonism or Catholicism. One prophet is not generally replaced by another prophet. In fact there's only one place in the Bible where that happened. So there's one example for you of something Mormons and Catholics do which is not biblically approved (i.e. appointing a new prophet to replace a dead or dying one. And yes I know, technically Catholics don't call their leader a prophet, but he speaks with as much or greater authority as a prophet).

Are you familiar with what the prophet Amos had to say about this?

Amos 8:11-13​

“The time is surely coming,” says the Sovereign Lord, “when I will send a famine on the land—not a famine of bread or water but of hearing the words of the Lord. People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from border to border searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. Beautiful girls and strong young men will grow faint in that day, thirsting for the Lord’s word.​

​

God, through His servant Amos, predicted that there would be a famine "of hearing the words of the Lord." Your premise is invalid. It is made up in the sparks of your imagination. This continues to illustrate my point. You don't/won't accept the word of God as it reads. 👇



Your denial of these clear verses implicates you just as I said. There is no reason to provide you with a list when you cannot acknowledge something so abundantly obvious as these two texts. Just read your rebuttal. It's all rhetoric and personal opinion. Not even the slightest appeal to biblical authority. And no. I still do not accept your finite, personal opinion over the inspired word of Paul.

Here's your opportunity to address the above two texts. At what point did Paul's clear acknowledgement that "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets" become negated? Where your biblical authorization for cancelling Paul's affirmative. Where's the biblical counterpart to Paul's admonition to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy"?

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.

I pray this helps.

There was NO additional revelation given by God apart form the books of the Canon, and Ellen White doctrines and theology disagreed with the already revealed scriptures!

 

[YeshuaFan]

EGW stated in her letter 1901 in counsels on diet and eggs.
“But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.”

EGW has been dead for 106 years now God did not reveal anything to her that the use of eggs, milk, butter and cream where no longer safe to use, therefore, there must be another prophet who will come along and reveal when it’s not safe.
Is GC the next prophet? Here is Ted Wilson’s endorsement of the handbook of discipleship
“Under the leading of the Holy Spirit, this important Discipleship Handbook, adding to the many wonderful resources produced by the church, will help fulfill God’s great commission to ‘Go . . . and make disciples’ (Matthew 28:19).“

- Ted N. C. Wilson, President, General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

Thats quite a strong statement to say under the leadership of the Holy Spirit

She stated God told her must keep Jewish food laws, yet still ate Oysters!

 

[YeshuaFan]

What Sunday Law Death Decree? Which country/countries has the decree?

Again you flog Sunday Sabbatarianism. Most Christians, back to the very earliest times of the church, meet on the first day of the week to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. However, most Christians, again back to the very earliest times of the church, do/did not see the first day of the week as holy and go/went about their day after meeting. The Sabbath was never transferred from the seventh day to the first. The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant/Mosaic Covenant/Siniatic Covenant (choose what name you wish to call it) between God and Israel, and Israel alone.
Jesus was also circumcised and observed all of the Jewish feast days and festivals. Do you? If not, and I am sure the answer is no, you do not, what about "Jesus yesterday, today, and forever"?

On November 26 of this year, in Ta'agbe, Nigeria, eleven Christians were murdered and another thirty wounded, not because of the day they worshiped on, but for who they worshiped. But you do not see these people as martyrs for the faith because they did not die during some imaginary Sunday Law Death Decree. You have turned the Sabbath into an idol, a god you worship instead of Christ.

The Apostles of Christ changed day to observe, as they saw it in the resurrection of Jesus God ushering in new Covenant eras!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Your OP is like asking an atheist who doesn't believe in the existence of Jesus to explain why he should believe in the miracles of Jesus. That's your straw man, not mine. Your OP is the proverbial putting of the cart before the horse. That you don't understand that is on you. It's a rejection of Jesus to reject His words given through His servant Paul.

Let's just cross out these two texts from the critic's Bible and add them to the abundance of other texts which they patently deny:

1 Corinthians 12:28​

And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.​

​

1 Corinthians 14:1​

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.​

You have to learn to walk before you can run. I'm done.

Gift of prophesy in bible NOT as Ellen White is seen as having in Sda, as you see her being inspired and infallible!

 

[YeshuaFan]

For clarity, you are responding with hyperbole and rhetoric and are not relying on the Word of God.

ATTN. ONLURKERS: My guarantee has been met.

Is the Sda the true remnant church?

 

[Common Tater]

The Apostles of Christ changed day to observe, as they saw it in the resurrection of Jesus God ushering in new Covenant eras!

Please show me from scripture where they changed Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. They did not refer to the first/eighth day as the Sabbath. They called it the Lord's Day.

 

[YeshuaFan]

They did not change the Sabbath itself, but saw that the Church was now on the Lords Day, sand not as israel was under Sabbath keeping!

 

[Formersda]

Your OP is like asking an atheist who doesn't believe in the existence of Jesus to explain why he should believe in the miracles of Jesus. That's your straw man, not mine. Your OP is the proverbial putting of the cart before the horse. That you don't understand that is on you. It's a rejection of Jesus to reject His words given through His servant Paul.

Let's just cross out these two texts from the critic's Bible and add them to the abundance of other texts which they patently deny:

1 Corinthians 12:28​

And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.​

​

1 Corinthians 14:1​

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.​

You have to learn to walk before you can run. I'm done.

The existence of Jesus is totally seperate.
Whats so difficult about what the ask is? If you can’t answer that’s ok just say I don’t know.
Belief in Jesus is what is salvationable not in a prophet.

 

[Buzzard]

They did not change the Sabbath itself, but saw that the Church was now on the Lords Day, sand not as israel was under Sabbath keeping!

and when did this change occure;
words of an Apostle or Christ only will do
all else is just speculation and hear-say

 

[Buzzard]

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There was NO additional revelation given by God apart form the books of the Canon, and Ellen White doctrines and theology disagreed with the already revealed scriptures!

What do you mean by
"There was NO additional revelation given by God apart form the books of the Canon, "

 

[YeshuaFan]

and when did this change occure;
words of an Apostle or Christ only will do
all else is just speculation and hear-say

Sabbath was NEVER brought over in any NT books unto the Church, as was just meant for OT Israel!

 

[YeshuaFan]

aa

What do you mean by
"There was NO additional revelation given by God apart form the books of the Canon, "

Meant from, not form!

 

[SDAchristian]

What Sunday Law Death Decree?

It is a prophecy about a future theocracy. Are you able to recognize a theocracy and a law about Sunday keeping, which will eventually have a death penalty for it's violation ???

AV Re 13:8-9 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

It is salvific, in GOD's Point Of View. GOD is not going to leave any without clear cut evidence to make this decision in the end of time.

Worship is a confusing subject to many. And it is related to the recognition of authority.

Which country/countries has the decree?

Part 1: Death decree for not doing Sunday works, None yet !!!
Part 2: Making people to work secular work on sabbath, Death decree by GOD for unrepentant sins.

Yours in Christ, Michael