True non canonical prophet

JonHawk

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SDAchristian said:
That is your free will choice in your opinion to exercise.

As long as, it agrees with GOD's Omniscience in Prophecy.
pythons said:
we've already established that Ellen White didn't reflect God's Omniscience - primarily because Ellen wasn't a prophet - she was just a flim flam woman at the right place at the right time.

You won't ever have to worry about dying because of the Sabbath - you're golden.
According to SDAchristian the "flim flam" woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time, since she was misguided by blind guides:
SDAchristian;536816 said:
August ‎3, ‎2010
What I am saying is, before the visions from GOD came with truth, she was misdirected by men setting dates.

I understand only a little of that mystery, but I know to have faith and not doubt. So GOD chose not to remove all doubt, so that we could exercise faith.
Whatever is not from faith is sin.
But now that faith has come, we are all sons of God through Christ Jesus.

Ellen's Early Writings
The green cord represented faith
My guide now opened the door, and we both passed out. He bade me take up again all the things I had left without. This done, he handed me a green cord coiled up closely. This he directed me to place next my heart...
that sounds a lot like wearing some sort of holy underware or a good luck charm
She must have heard Joe Smith's teaching of sacred undergarments.
 
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Ellen's Early Writings
The green cord represented faith
My guide now opened the door, and we both passed out. He bade me take up again all the things I had left without. This done, he handed me a green cord coiled up closely. This he directed me to place next my heart,
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that sounds a lot like wearing some sort of holy underware
or a good luck charm

The green cord is associated with Witchcraft / the Occult - it, according to those involved serve various purposes in the practice of Witchcraft.
 
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Prologue:
AV 2Pt 1:20-2:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. 2:1
"I will also make him My firstborn, (preeminent) The highest of the kings of the earth. My covenant shall stand firm with Him." Ps 89:27-28
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters...And nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 8:28-39
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Col 1
The some of the tricky parts, is wading through opinions of "false prophets" and "false teachers", to get to the Truth.
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Corinthians 4:1-4
As person in the Spirit, So you think these things were not expected to me ???
I will cry with GOD over the end of it all.
For the person in the Spirit, there will be no more weeping and wailing.

The only sound is the praises to Christ the King. We live in the light of the Risen Lamb.
 
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You called them Christians. Between the two of us neither of US, know their hearts. You just know their story.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

This is how they earned "damnation", they are clueless about Jesus' righteousness in the flesh/"the Lord's body". And therefore, have not confess those sins to Jesus.

A Law is coming calling every sabbath keeper a sinner in the eyes of men, deserving death. Which works out to condemning Jesus' walk in the flesh, as sin. Contemplate the fullness of this !!!

Yours in Christ, Michael
Real people killed for their faith right now versus some hypothetical Sunday Law that cannot be proved from Scripture.
 
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JonHawk

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But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Corinthians 4:1-4

"I will also make him My firstborn, (preeminent) The highest of the kings of the earth. My covenant shall stand firm with Him." Ps 89:27-28
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters...And nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 8:28-39
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Col 1

For the person in the Spirit, there will be no more weeping and wailing.

The only sound is the praises to Christ the King. We live in the light of the Risen Lamb.

Prologue:
AV Re 18:1-5 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, ...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, ...

These all had free will choice until the final call for those who would still listen, then time ran out.

Not until then, do I expect some to "get it", when everyone have chosen an authority side to be on. Then we will see, who murders whom, over usurped authority.
So you're telling us you won't know that salvation is a free gift until the Saturday zombie apocalypse?

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 1 Corinthians 2:12
 
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JonHawk

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Keep up with the program Buz, pythons is into popery, Mike is Ellen's boy.
"I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the Pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day​
of the week: for he was to change time and laws." A Word to the Little Flock, "A Vision, April 7, 1847", p. 18.​

The Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’ 26 But not so among you; on the contrary...Luke 22
The Pope, as supreme ruler over the Gentiles he has the Authority to do as he sees fit
As Paul says Obey and submit to their authority
so Michael; follow the council of Solomon Ecc.10:4
If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences.
lest you be beaten by many stripes; might as well get it over with before he sends Slave Hunters after you
Now you're just going off the deep end Buz, subject yourself to the pope and tell us how that works out for you.
But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements; Galatians 4:8-10

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith,...Eph 4

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; 1 Corinthians 8
 
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JonHawk

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JonHawk said:
Keep up with the program Buz, pythons is into popery, Mike is Ellen's boy.
"I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the Pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day
of the week: for he was to change time and laws." A Word to the Little Flock, "A Vision, April 7, 1847", p. 18.

The Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’ 26 But not so among you; on the contrary...Luke 22
Buzzard said:
The Pope, as supreme ruler over the Gentiles he has the Authority to do as he sees fit
As Paul says Obey and submit to their authority
so Michael; follow the council of Solomon Ecc.10:4
If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences.
lest you be beaten by many stripes; might as well get it over with before he sends Slave Hunters after you
Now you're just going off the deep end Buz, subject yourself to the pope and tell us how that works out for you.
But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements; Galatians 4:8-10

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith,...Eph 4

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; 1 Corinthians 8

Not really;
Paul says that men, unawares of who they were speaking to, have interacted / spoken with Angels
Michael is gonna meet one of those someday; and give him the same spew he post on this board
have you not read of the :devilish: Sycamine tree :devilish: in Lk.Ch.17
No one is impressed by your lil' purple devil horns.

He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Heb 2

For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silas and Timothy—was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.” 2 Corinthians 1
 

JonHawk

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AV Jn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

I know now. But many do not understand the conditions of the free gift from GOD.

"the spirit of the world" is to sin. "the Spirit who is from God", sanctifies us from committing sin again or any more.
You are correct, many do not understand that the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ and stumble all over the place.

"For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified... That they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— John 17:19-22

Now that faith has come, ...you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:25-29
 

pythons

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Virgin birth of Jesus is borrowed from Paganism then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

So, by that logic you should give up your Sunday worship is worship dedicated to the SUNGOD or Sunday was chosen by early Christians BECAUSE a goup of anti-Trinitarians formulated into a Church by the power of God - to present the forgotten Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 

JonHawk

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Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed...that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise...God granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. Gal 3
Need to pray for Michael, jon

Matt.13:
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven." Matt 8:11

You give life to all of them, And the heavenly lights bow down before You. 7 You are the Lord God, Who chose Abram
And brought him out from Ur of the Chaldees, And gave him the name Abraham. 8 You found his heart faithful before You,
And made a covenant with him To give him the land and his descendants....And You have fulfilled Your promise, Because You are righteous. Neh 9

And you are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God ordained with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ God raised up His Servant Jesus [the] first [born of all creation] and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” Acts 3

God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2

For with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:10

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Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
 

Common Tater

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Your are entitled to state your opinions in GOD's period of free will choice.

So You will never agree to a Sunday Law decree of men in governments around the world, Right ??? Your other choice is to rejoin and get re-baptized into the SDA Church again, Right ???

"Real people killed for their faith right now", Let GOD decide "their faith", and not you or me.

Doctrine Check: Did Jesus die in righteousness of/for killing/murdering sabbath keepers ???

"some hypothetical Sunday Law that cannot be proved from Scripture.", Then you are not a real prophet of GOD either, Right ???

This is the same attitude that killed prophets of Old, Unbelief, Right ??? Or is it, Lack of Patience to wait on GOD's Prophecies over lifetimes, when revenge is so handy, Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
What would be the point of being rebaptized into the SDA church? Ellen White's first visions in 1845 declared that the door to salvation was closed and that no more sinners could be saved. So what would be the point? Unless, the visions were not from God, sinners can still come to Christ and be saved, and Ellen White was a false prophet. Now there is an idea that you might need to pursue.
 

JonHawk

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See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; Rev 3:7-8
Ellen White's first visions in 1845 declared that the door to salvation was closed and that no more sinners could be saved. So what would be the point?
The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut;
And he shall shut, and no one shall open. 23 I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place,
And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house. Isa 22

I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Revelation 1:18
 

Common Tater

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See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; Rev 3:7-8

The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut;
And he shall shut, and no one shall open. 23 I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place,
And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house. Isa 22

I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Revelation 1:18
Tell that to Ellen White and the other early Adventists. They all believed in her vision about a Shut Door. False prophecy #1.
 

JonHawk

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See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; Rev 3:7-8

The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut;
And he shall shut, and no one shall open. 23 I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place,
And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house. Isa 22

I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Revelation 1:18
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4
Tell that to Ellen White and the other early Adventists. They all believed in her vision about a Shut Door. False prophecy #1.
Surely someone told them that the door was open by faith in Jesus Christ,
the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, ...Rev 1

R&H 1889 said:
The true Witness declares: “Behold, I have set before thee an open door.” Let us thank God with heart and soul and voice; and let us learn to approach unto Him as through an open door, believing that we may come freely with our petitions, and that He will hear and answer. It is by a living faith in His power to help, that we shall receive strength...

Neither man nor Satan can close the door which Christ has opened for us. Review and Herald, March 26, 1889
 
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Common Tater

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For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

Surely someone told them that the door was open by faith in Jesus Christ,
the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, ...Rev 1
No, by 1851, they realized that any of their children born after Oct 22, 1844 had no chance at salvation if the Shut Door doctrine was correct. They also realized that they could not go after new converts if that doctrine was correct. So they quietly shelved it.
 

JonHawk

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For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 1 John 5:4

Surely someone told them that the door was open by faith in Jesus Christ,
the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, ...Rev 1
As I have told you many times and now say with deep sadness, many walk as enemies of the cross. 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—Philippians 3:18-19
No, by 1851, they realized that any of their children born after Oct 22, 1844 had no chance at salvation if the Shut Door doctrine was correct. They also realized that they could not go after new converts if that doctrine was correct. So they quietly shelved it.
So what you're saying is that although they were instructed that the access was/is granted by faith they continued outside relying on the works of the law?
https://www.ellenwhite.info › books › ellen-g-white-book-early-writings-ew-07.htm
The enemies of the present truth have been trying to open the door of the holy place, that Jesus has shut, and to close the door of the most holy place, which He opened in 1844, where the ark is, containing the two tables of stone on which are written the ten commandments ...
 
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Suzy-Q

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You continue to reveal a serious lack of biblical knowledge and discernment. The gift of prophecy is not given out in a predetermined linear path à la Mormonism or Catholicism. One prophet is not generally replaced by another prophet. In fact there's only one place in the Bible where that happened. So there's one example for you of something Mormons and Catholics do which is not biblically approved (i.e. appointing a new prophet to replace a dead or dying one. And yes I know, technically Catholics don't call their leader a prophet, but he speaks with as much or greater authority as a prophet).

Are you familiar with what the prophet Amos had to say about this?

Amos 8:11-13
“The time is surely coming,” says the Sovereign Lord, “when I will send a famine on the land—not a famine of bread or water but of hearing the words of the Lord. People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from border to border searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. Beautiful girls and strong young men will grow faint in that day, thirsting for the Lord’s word.
God, through His servant Amos, predicted that there would be a famine "of hearing the words of the Lord." Your premise is invalid. It is made up in the sparks of your imagination. This continues to illustrate my point. You don't/won't accept the word of God as it reads. 👇



Your denial of these clear verses implicates you just as I said. There is no reason to provide you with a list when you cannot acknowledge something so abundantly obvious as these two texts. Just read your rebuttal. It's all rhetoric and personal opinion. Not even the slightest appeal to biblical authority. And no. I still do not accept your finite, personal opinion over the inspired word of Paul.

Here's your opportunity to address the above two texts. At what point did Paul's clear acknowledgement that "God has placed IN THE CHURCH ... prophets" become negated? Where your biblical authorization for cancelling Paul's affirmative. Where's the biblical counterpart to Paul's admonition to "eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy"?

ATTN. ONLURKERS: I can guarantee that neither of my last two questions will be answered in any sort of biblical manner. Former Adventists and critics of Adventism mock and deride Adventists claiming we rely on an extra biblical source of authority (i.e. Ellen White). Yet I never appeal to White to make a defense of any biblical doctrine and I've not seen any other Adventist on this forum who does that. The critics are the ones who elevate their own opinions above a plain, "Thus saith the Lord." They are the ones who are denigrating the Word of God by their rejections and denials of simple and plainly communicated ideas. This is why people become "former Adventists." They place a higher value on their own ideas than on what the Bible teaches.

I pray this helps.

Hi Icy,

I hope you remember me from years gone by. It's certainly been a while since I passed this way, but to my utter delight, you're still posting here along with some of our other SDA brothers in Christ (not quite sure about any of the sisters)! I do so appreciate your defense of God's word, His prophet, and the Advent faith, and I 100% agree concerning dubious believers that appeal to the Word of God for their spiritual guidance and defense while blatantly denying much of what it plainly teaches. I came to the Advent faith by way of my younger sister and her copy of The Great Controversy. I had absolutely no idea who EGW might be at the time, but as I spent one Memorial Day weekend reading her book, a certainty settled over me: There was an authority in the writing, not simply a writer's opinion, but a true voice of authenticity. When I thought about it further, I realized where I'd heard that same Voice before... in the pages of the Bible! And it also made sense to me that the tone of the voice would be one in the same, as the Holy Spirit is the true "Spirit of Prophecy" and inspirational source for all the Lord's prophets, canonical or not. I didn't need EGW to teach me this truth because it was simple enough to discern from the Scriptures, and as long as she continued to speak according to that Word, then I knew there had to be LIGHT in her writings. So, as you've repeatedly queried Formersda, and without a reasonable response up to this point, I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today and that this gift was/is present in the ministry of Ellen G. White. It's such a shame that others make so difficult what the Lord in His mercy as made so simple. I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word He did:

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you [my son Solomon], know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
 

JonHawk

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I would have lost heart, unless I had believed...Psalm 27:13
Hi Icy,
I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom 10:9
 

Suzy-Q

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I would have lost heart, unless I had believed...Psalm 27:13

That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom 10:9

Praise God for so GREAT a salvation my friend in Christ! Now, if the whole of the NT consisted of just that one verse, I suppose there wouldn't be such a myriad of protestant denominations, not to mention Catholicism, or the need for this discussion forum; but as it currently sits, you've made a point for justification alone. It appears on this forum that Nons and formers are all staunch adherents of justification, even glorification, but sanctification is an anathema they attempt to avoid at all costs, perhaps even at the cost of their eternal destiny??? At its functional foundation, Biblical salvation consists of the three P's:

Delivery from the PENALTY of sin (Justification)!

Delivery from the POWER of sin (Sanctification)!!

Delivery from the PRESENCE of sin (Glorification)!!!


If we're ever to come into a knowledge of the truth, ALL must be willing to approach the Scriptures with intellectual honesty, as Icy maintains; until we can agree to proceed on that vital premise, any further discussions will inevitably prove unfruitful. Do you agree that prophecy is a gift provided by the Savior through the agency of the Holy Spirit for the CHURCH today? If so, then we must strive to find where that gift might be active at this time in NT church history in order to make a proper application.
 

JonHawk

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I would have lost heart, unless I had believed...Psalm 27:13

That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom 10:9
Praise God for so GREAT a salvation my friend in Christ!
Who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption; 1 Cor 1:30
Now, if the whole of the NT consisted of just that one verse,
This one verse is for you to ponder, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
I suppose there wouldn't be such a myriad of protestant denominations, not to mention Catholicism, or the need for this discussion forum; but as it currently sits, you've made a point for justification alone. It appears on this forum that Nons and formers are all staunch adherents of justification, even glorification, but sanctification is an anathema they attempt to avoid at all costs, perhaps even at the cost of their eternal destiny???
For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; Heb 2:11
At its functional foundation, Biblical salvation consists of the three P's:
Delivery from the PENALTY of sin (Justification)!
Delivery from the POWER of sin (Sanctification)!!
Delivery from the PRESENCE of sin (Glorification)!!!


If we're ever to come into a knowledge of the truth, ALL must be willing to approach the Scriptures with intellectual honesty, as Icy maintains; until we can agree to proceed on that vital premise, any further discussions will inevitably prove unfruitful.
If you don't come to the knowledge of salvation in Christ it's because you're unsanctified.
Do you agree that prophecy is a gift provided by the Savior through the agency of the Holy Spirit for the CHURCH today?
For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance; 1 Thess 1:5
If so, then we must strive to find where that gift might be active at this time in NT church history in order to make a proper application.
Be sure to remember that it is a gift of God through Jesus Christ.

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort by grace,
comfort and strengthen your hearts...2 Thessalonians 2:13-17

Do not be misled by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace; Hebrews 13:7-9
 
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