True non canonical prophet

Buzzard

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........... I came to the Advent faith by way of my younger sister and her copy of The Great Controversy. I had absolutely no idea who EGW might be at the time, but as I spent one Memorial Day weekend reading her book, a certainty settled over me:

I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today and that this gift was/is present in the ministry of Ellen G. White.
Col.2:1
For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you,
and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;


Col.2:16
plz notice what Paul says;
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels,
going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,
19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body,
nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments,
grows with a growth that is from God.


Suzy;
It was at or in Laodicea,that Paul warns about the worship of Angels
and those that go on and on and on and on in great detail
about what thier """ANGEL""" told them
How many words did this Ellen write about all her """Visions ????
several Million did you say ???

and she goes on and on and on and on
Book upon Book and More books
going on in detail about visions,[


Maybe, could it be others have read and heeded the words of Paul
about such

It's such a shame that others make so difficult what the Lord in His mercy as made so simple. I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word He did:

Is. 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters,
and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat;
yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread?
and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good,
and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

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Rev 3:7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write
....... Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,
I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation,
which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

------------- Too the Laodiceans -------------
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire,
that thou mayest be rich;
and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed,
and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Suzy;
Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread?
when you have been warned by Paul of such people
that would arise during the Church of the Laodiceans
 
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Formersda

Active member
Hi Icy,

I hope you remember me from years gone by. It's certainly been a while since I passed this way, but to my utter delight, you're still posting here along with some of our other SDA brothers in Christ (not quite sure about any of the sisters)! I do so appreciate your defense of God's word, His prophet, and the Advent faith, and I 100% agree concerning dubious believers that appeal to the Word of God for their spiritual guidance and defense while blatantly denying much of what it plainly teaches. I came to the Advent faith by way of my younger sister and her copy of The Great Controversy. I had absolutely no idea who EGW might be at the time, but as I spent one Memorial Day weekend reading her book, a certainty settled over me: There was an authority in the writing, not simply a writer's opinion, but a true voice of authenticity. When I thought about it further, I realized where I'd heard that same Voice before... in the pages of the Bible! And it also made sense to me that the tone of the voice would be one in the same, as the Holy Spirit is the true "Spirit of Prophecy" and inspirational source for all the Lord's prophets, canonical or not. I didn't need EGW to teach me this truth because it was simple enough to discern from the Scriptures, and as long as she continued to speak according to that Word, then I knew there had to be LIGHT in her writings. So, as you've repeatedly queried Formersda, and without a reasonable response up to this point, I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today and that this gift was/is present in the ministry of Ellen G. White. It's such a shame that others make so difficult what the Lord in His mercy as made so simple. I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word He did:

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you [my son Solomon], know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
Hi Suzy-Q,

I see you believe that EGW was a prophet.

Would you agree the principle of prophecy in the NT is based on 1 Corinthians 14:22?
So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
 

JonHawk

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I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 49:6
Hi Icy,
... I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today ...
Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a Servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers, 9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy,...“Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.”

Because of the grace God gave me 16 He chose me to be a servant of Christ Jesus, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. 17 Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. Rom 15:4-17

For so the Lord has commanded us:
‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:47-49
 
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Victor

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I hope you remember me from years gone by. It's certainly been a while since I passed this way, but to my utter delight, you're still posting here along with some of our other SDA brothers in Christ (not quite sure about any of the sisters)! I do so appreciate your defense of God's word, His prophet, and the Advent faith, and I 100% agree concerning dubious believers that appeal to the Word of God for their spiritual guidance and defense while blatantly denying much of what it plainly teaches. I came to the Advent faith by way of my younger sister and her copy of The Great Controversy. I had absolutely no idea who EGW might be at the time, but as I spent one Memorial Day weekend reading her book, a certainty settled over me: There was an authority in the writing, not simply a writer's opinion, but a true voice of authenticity. When I thought about it further, I realized where I'd heard that same Voice before... in the pages of the Bible! And it also made sense to me that the tone of the voice would be one in the same, as the Holy Spirit is the true "Spirit of Prophecy" and inspirational source for all the Lord's prophets, canonical or not. I didn't need EGW to teach me this truth because it was simple enough to discern from the Scriptures, and as long as she continued to speak according to that Word, then I knew there had to be LIGHT in her writings. So, as you've repeatedly queried Formersda, and without a reasonable response up to this point, I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today and that this gift was/is present in the ministry of Ellen G. White. It's such a shame that others make so difficult what the Lord in His mercy as made so simple. I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word He did:
I seem to remember a Suzy at BP or something like that, and the writing style matches that from antiquity.
Welcome back.

Since you mentioned proficiency with Ellen White's The Great Controversy, I would like you to turn your attention to pages 479 through 483 - this is where Ellen White defines the Investigative Judgment of the Sanctuary Doctrine. For brevity I shortened her definition into bulleted points.
  • Convened only after 1844, 'it is...in 1844...to perform the work of investigative judgment'
  • Addresses only the 'professed people of God', and is not a general judgment
  • Convened in absentia of the accused, 'they will not be present in person'
  • The accused are judged according to the old covenant, 'The law of God is the standard'
  • Adventist soteriology is dependent on this alleged judgment, 'their names will be blotted out of the book of life'
If Ellen White was speaking according the the same Word Who authored Scripture, then it follows that you should be able to verify this judgment scenario in the Bible. Such an alleged judgment should -no, MUST not contradict Scripture. This judgment from Ellen's Great Con has been presented for many years without anyone able to find it in the Bible.

You see, the discussion of whether prophecy exists today in the church is moot, and at best a distraction. The SDA church doesn't have, nor did it ever have, the Spirit of prophecy. On this and for various other topics the warning found in Isaiah 8:20 remains a valid reason to reject Ellen White's claim to inspiration.
 

YeshuaFan

Well-known member
I seem to remember a Suzy at BP or something like that, and the writing style matches that from antiquity.
Welcome back.

Since you mentioned proficiency with Ellen White's The Great Controversy, I would like you to turn your attention to pages 479 through 483 - this is where Ellen White defines the Investigative Judgment of the Sanctuary Doctrine. For brevity I shortened her definition into bulleted points.
  • Convened only after 1844, 'it is...in 1844...to perform the work of investigative judgment'
  • Addresses only the 'professed people of God', and is not a general judgment
  • Convened in absentia of the accused, 'they will not be present in person'
  • The accused are judged according to the old covenant, 'The law of God is the standard'
  • Adventist soteriology is dependent on this alleged judgment, 'their names will be blotted out of the book of life'
If Ellen White was speaking according the the same Word Who authored Scripture, then it follows that you should be able to verify this judgment scenario in the Bible. Such an alleged judgment should -no, MUST not contradict Scripture. This judgment from Ellen's Great Con has been presented for many years without anyone able to find it in the Bible.

You see, the discussion of whether prophecy exists today in the church is moot, and at best a distraction. The SDA church doesn't have, nor did it ever have, the Spirit of prophecy. On this and for various other topics the warning found in Isaiah 8:20 remains a valid reason to reject Ellen White's claim to inspiration.
The Sda Investigative Judgement is their Achilles heel and Greek K, as NONE of their best Scholars have EVER found that heresy within the Bible! And their best and brightest admitted to Walter martin they tried for some 5 years, and could never see it in the Greek text, much less English one!
 

JonHawk

Well-known member
A glorious throne, exalted from the beginning, is the place of our sanctuary. Jeremiah 17:12
The Sda Investigative Judgement is their Achilles heel and Greek K, as NONE of their best Scholars have EVER found that heresy within the Bible!
Many have declared the events that have been fulfilled among us, having investigated from the beginning to pass on an orderly account.

Zechariah of the priestly division of Abijah and his wife Elizabeth were both righteous in the sight of God; Luke 1

None of these [ Psalm 110 1-4 ] will be missing, for it is his mouth that has given the order, and His Spirit will gather them together. Isaiah 34:16

You are standing here in order to enter into a covenant with the Lord your God sealed with an oath, to confirm you this day as his people, that he may be your God as he promised you and as he swore to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I am making this covenant, with its oath, not only with you who are standing here with us today in the presence of the Lord our God but also with those who are not here today. Deuteronomy 29:12-15

That the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:14

Who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit 2 Cor 1:21-22
 
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Victor

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Who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit 2 Cor 1:21-22
2 Corinthians 20-22
For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

There isn't room to insert the SDA version of Purgatory into the biblical account.
 

JonHawk

Well-known member
2 Corinthians 20-22
For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

There isn't room to insert the SDA version of Purgatory into the biblical account.
That is a great passage for some of these wolves who will tell you, Jesus saves "but" nullify it in the next breath.
We all know that those who practice lawlessness will not be found written in the Book of Life. (Revelation 20:15) ‘I never knew you' Matt 7:23
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

'The Lord knows those who [are sealed] belong to Him, and, let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.' 2 Tim 2:19
 
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Arch Stanton

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You continue to reveal a serious lack of biblical knowledge and discernment. The gift of prophecy is not given out in a predetermined linear path à la Mormonism or Catholicism. One prophet is not generally replaced by another prophet. In fact there's only one place in the Bible where that happened. So there's one example for you of something Mormons and Catholics do which is not biblically approved (i.e. appointing a new prophet to replace a dead or dying one. And yes I know, technically Catholics don't call their leader a prophet, but he speaks with as much or greater authority as a prophet).
So who specifically was 'the church' in the first few centuries?

Thanks
 

JonHawk

Well-known member
For there is one Lord Jesus, one living faith, one washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit;
, So who specifically was 'the church' in the first few centuries?

Thanks
I promised you to one husband, to Christ, 2 Corinthians 11:2

Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, Eph 5:26-27

The one who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him...
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God,
1 Cor 6:17-20
 
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Icyspark

Active member
New Testament Prophets were not the same as Old Testament Prophets, they were not canonical.

Your assertion is based solely on your opinion minus any biblical support. Tell me, what substantial difference is there between the greatest prophet, who has no writings canonized and that of a lesser prophet who has his writings canonized? Bible texts please.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 

Icyspark

Active member
Hi Icy,

I hope you remember me from years gone by. It's certainly been a while since I passed this way, but to my utter delight, you're still posting here along with some of our other SDA brothers in Christ (not quite sure about any of the sisters)! I do so appreciate your defense of God's word, His prophet, and the Advent faith, and I 100% agree concerning dubious believers that appeal to the Word of God for their spiritual guidance and defense while blatantly denying much of what it plainly teaches. I came to the Advent faith by way of my younger sister and her copy of The Great Controversy. I had absolutely no idea who EGW might be at the time, but as I spent one Memorial Day weekend reading her book, a certainty settled over me: There was an authority in the writing, not simply a writer's opinion, but a true voice of authenticity. When I thought about it further, I realized where I'd heard that same Voice before... in the pages of the Bible! And it also made sense to me that the tone of the voice would be one in the same, as the Holy Spirit is the true "Spirit of Prophecy" and inspirational source for all the Lord's prophets, canonical or not. I didn't need EGW to teach me this truth because it was simple enough to discern from the Scriptures, and as long as she continued to speak according to that Word, then I knew there had to be LIGHT in her writings. So, as you've repeatedly queried Formersda, and without a reasonable response up to this point, I DID proceed from the Biblical instruction that the gift of prophecy still exists for the CHURCH today and that this gift was/is present in the ministry of Ellen G. White. It's such a shame that others make so difficult what the Lord in His mercy as made so simple. I think for me at that particular time of life my only prayer was that the Lord would reveal to me His truth, and according to His word He did:

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you [my son Solomon], know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.


Hi Suzy-Q,

Yes, I remember you. Glad to see you again!

I've kinda take a break from this forum, but I come back from time to time.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 

pythons

Active member
Your assertion is based solely on your opinion minus any biblical support. Tell me, what substantial difference is there between the greatest prophet, who has no writings canonized and that of a lesser prophet who has his writings canonized? Bible texts please.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

New Testament prophets' authority ceased at their death - they were for their time....
...Canonical Prophets had continuing Authority past their death - i.e. they are in Scripture.
...If Ellen White ISN'T Canonical why are you using her writings?

By the way I like your signature line! I grew up hearing that same thing from my Dad.... It's a good one.
 

Icyspark

Active member
New Testament prophets' authority ceased at their death - they were for their time.... [👈 personal opinion]
...Canonical Prophets had continuing Authority past their death - i.e. they are in Scripture. [👈 Absurd! On what basis would anyone come to this confusion? You have ZERO biblical support for this assertion yet you act like your opinion should rank higher than a prophet's! Unbelievable.]
...If Ellen White ISN'T Canonical why are you using her writings? [👈 Oh, I don't know. Maybe I believe what the Bible says? I believe that God has left the gift of prophecy for the edification of the "Church." That you deny this clear biblical verity as you elevate your pope and your own opinion is disturbing. Also note that while I accept that Ellen White was inspired by God I never appeal to writings to establish any point of biblical doctrine.]

By the way I like your signature line! I grew up hearing that same thing from my Dad.... It's a good one. [(y)]


You're just spit-balling. Your opinion about the authority of one prophet over another is strictly non-biblical conjecture.

David is a prophet whose writings are canonized, yet interestingly he had two prophets (Gad and Nathan)--whose writings were not canonized--who revealed to him the words of God. David didn't challenge them with the nonsense you're proposing and insist he didn't need to pay any attention to them. A prophet is authoritative simply because God spoke to them and had them share His message with others. Either the message originated with God or it didn't.

Catholics set aside Scripture in favor of biblically contradictory tradition. They virtually elevate their popes and Mary to the status of godhood and wonder why Christians reject their spurious beliefs.

So on what biblical basis are you going to claim that Nathan or Gad were lesser prophets than David?

ATTN. LURKERS: In my previous post I challenged pythons to supply biblical evidence for his suppositions and as you can see he responded with non-biblical rhetoric. I can virtually guarantee the response to this challenge will be more of the same.
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
The Sda Investigative Judgement is their Achilles heel and Greek K, as NONE of their best Scholars have EVER found that heresy within the Bible! And their best and brightest admitted to Walter martin they tried for some 5 years, and could never see it in the Greek text, much less English one!
It is GOD's free will choice to let all to believe how they want to. GOD left out evidences for certain topics, so that doubters have something to hang their doubt on.

AV Mt 24:37-39 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Everyone in Noah's day had a chance to believe Noah, pre-event judgment was based on what they believed about GOD's judgment. Jesus said it will happen just like that. So you have free will choice to believe Jesus' words or not, and the resulting judgment is based on what we believe.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
Christian SDA asks;
Michael;


WHICH of the time related prophecies in the book of Daniel require the use of “the year/day principle” for correct interpretation?

Are you going to give Christian SDA an answer
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Name's Sake. Michael, His Name Sake
not over 1st day of the week
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV Ju 1:17-19 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Christian SDA asks;
Michael;
WHICH of the time related prophecies in the book of Daniel require the use of “the year/day principle” for correct interpretation?
Are you going to give Christian SDA an answer
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Name's Sake. Michael, His Name Sake
not over 1st day of the week
AV 1C 6:1-6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

"Are you going to give Christian SDA an answer", No. They have Elders/Pastors, in their own local SDA church, that can give him an answer(s), it is what Elders/Pastors do for their spiritual responsibilities within the church. But I have become suspect that something is wrong in the relationship between that poster and their own SDA church, because of the wording they have used in posts, and their attitude towards other SDAs here at CARM.

You do realize it is poor form/netiquette to cross post(s) on threads, especially to chase someone around.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 
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