trying to keep the Law vs keeping the Law

[American Gothic]

in Ezekiel 36 God eventually "causes you" to walk in His ways? so it's actually God's doing?

CAUSE. 1. [count] : something or someone that produces an effect, result, or condition : something or someone that makes something happen or exist.

כו וְנָתַתִּי לָכֶם לֵב חָדָשׁ, וְרוּחַ חֲדָשָׁה אֶתֵּן בְּקִרְבְּכֶם; וַהֲסִרֹתִי אֶת-לֵב הָאֶבֶן, מִבְּשַׂרְכֶם, וְנָתַתִּי לָכֶם, לֵב בָּשָׂר.	26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
כז וְאֶת-רוּחִי, אֶתֵּן בְּקִרְבְּכֶם; וְעָשִׂיתִי, אֵת אֲשֶׁר-בְּחֻקַּי תֵּלֵכוּ, וּמִשְׁפָּטַי תִּשְׁמְרוּ, וַעֲשִׂיתֶם.	27 And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep Mine ordinances, and do them.

 

[American Gothic]

Yes, as a result of God bringing Jews back to the land, their enemies punished, etc., that will give Israel the heart to follow Him.

whether you aspire to obey God

it's the work of God in relation to hearts and Spirit? (back in the Land, enemies defeated seems like secondary stuff there)

and it is God's doing?

 

[Jewjitzu]

it's the work of God in relation to hearts and Spirit? (back in the Land, enemies defeated seems like secondary stuff there)

and it is God's doing?

God definitely returns us to the land, etc., but a key is that He doesn't keep the commandments for us. We do.

 

[Jewjitzu]

in Ezekiel 36 God eventually "causes you" to walk in His ways? so it's actually God's doing?

CAUSE. 1. [count] : something or someone that produces an effect, result, or condition : something or someone that makes something happen or exist.

כו וְנָתַתִּי לָכֶם לֵב חָדָשׁ, וְרוּחַ חֲדָשָׁה אֶתֵּן בְּקִרְבְּכֶם; וַהֲסִרֹתִי אֶת-לֵב הָאֶבֶן, מִבְּשַׂרְכֶם, וְנָתַתִּי לָכֶם, לֵב בָּשָׂר.	26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
כז וְאֶת-רוּחִי, אֶתֵּן בְּקִרְבְּכֶם; וְעָשִׂיתִי, אֵת אֲשֶׁר-בְּחֻקַּי תֵּלֵכוּ, וּמִשְׁפָּטַי תִּשְׁמְרוּ, וַעֲשִׂיתֶם.	27 And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep Mine ordinances, and do them.

Who's keeping the commandments?

 

[American Gothic]

God definitely returns us to the land, etc., but a key is that He doesn't keep the commandments for us. We do.

that isn't the issue at all, what is the source of Israel's obedience is

 

[Jewjitzu]

that isn't the issue at all, what is the source of Israel's obedience is

God's law in our hearts and minds. His desire for us to keep them in us.

Who's keeping the commandments? It isn't Jesus.

 

[American Gothic]

Who's keeping

so God is the source of obedience, repentance, faith, righteousness, etc etc

 

[Jewjitzu]

so God is the source of obedience, repentance, faith, righteousness, etc etc

He's the source of the commandments, where we earn our righteousness.

Notice God doesn't keep the commandments for us. We have to. etc., etc.

 

[American Gothic]

He's the source of the commandments, where we earn our righteousness.

Notice God doesn't keep the commandments for us. We have to. etc., etc.

so it's a be in the right Club and put in the right Work to save yrself sort of Religion?

 

[Jewjitzu]

so it's a be in the right Club and put in the right Work to save yrself sort of Religion?

More like follow God's advice, and He'll save you.

Do you have anything else of worth to discuss?

 

[American Gothic]

More like follow God's advice, and He'll save you.

Do you have anything else of worth to discuss?

How can you know you are saved?

 

[Open Heart]

How can you know you are saved?

I don't frame my faith in terms of whether I am saved. The Torah doesn't talk about the necessity of being saved from my sins, nor does it mention an afterlife. The central point of the Torah is -- here are the laws, obey them.

Are you obedient to God as he instructs? God says it is easy.

Deutornomy 30
11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

 

[American Gothic]

I don't frame my faith in terms of whether I am saved. The Torah doesn't talk about the necessity of being saved from my sins, nor does it mention an afterlife. The central point of the Torah is -- here are the laws, obey them.

Are you obedient to God as he instructs? God says it is easy.

David seemed to have assurance of eternal Life.

 

[Jewjitzu]

How can you know you are saved?

Every time God has delivered me in my life, family, people, nation.

 

[Open Heart]

David seemed to have assurance of eternal Life.

Not interested. Not an issue.

The thing that is important is what we do with THIS life.

 

[American Gothic]

here are the laws, obey them.

Are you obedient to God as he instructs? God says it is easy.

Israel's history seems to show that obedience isn't easy.
did God make it more difficult for those of Israel by giving them more commands of Law?

Not interested. Not an issue.

The thing that is important is what we do with THIS life.

Sounds kinda Sadducee/Deist in nature.
Your God doesn't involve Himself in the affairs of men or give the hope of something more?

 

[Jewjitzu]

David seemed to have assurance of eternal Life.

Have you read all of the Psalms? There are ups and downs in life.

Eccl 12:13

 

[Jewjitzu]

Israel's history seems to show that obedience isn't easy.

Loving God with all of ones heart can be. I think world history shows that as well. Even Christian history given what they've done in Jesus' name.

did God make it more difficult for those of Israel by giving them more commands of Law?

Not at all. The giving of the law was an act of love.

Sounds kinda Sadducee/Deist in nature.

Why? Worry about this life, and being a better person and the rest will take care of itself.

Your God doesn't involve Himself in the affairs of men or give the hope of something more?

You only need to read Tanakh to know the answer. Have you read it?

 

[Open Heart]

Israel's history seems to show that obedience isn't easy.
did God make it more difficult for those of Israel by giving them more commands of Law?

So you disagree with what God says in Deuteronomy 30:11-14? God is lying perhaps?

Sounds kinda Sadducee/Deist in nature.
Your God doesn't involve Himself in the affairs of men or give the hope of something more?

Nothing I said indicates that. Straw man.

 

[American Gothic]

Loving God with all of ones heart can be.

Loving God with all one's heart, mind, strength, etc. seems impossible without Divine assistance.

So you disagree with what God says in Deuteronomy 30:11-14? God is lying perhaps?

Nothing I said indicates that. Straw man.

verse 10 says "if" not when
the subject of this OP is the when and how
Israel's eventual Obedience is prophesied, so we know the "if" is a temporary condition

"I have set before you life and death, good and evil" v.15
the same stuff that Adam and Eve dealt with
failure leads to death, and is rooted in evil
what do prayers and good deeds teach about life and death, good and evil?
compared to commanded blood and sacrifices...