Turning the Natural Life into a Spiritual Life.

[Gary Mac]

Turning the natural life into a spiritual. life is a matter of moral choices. The fight isn't against sin, the fight, (the war), is spiritual. Our natural life is a very hard thing to give up of our own ways but is expediant to relinquish what we believe and adhere to what God commands of us to be like Him and in His same image, and the only way that can happen is through Gods redemption.

God does not just pop in and make us holy in sense of character but a series of moral choices. It is one thing to morally sit in a pew once a week but is an entirely different thing to make the choice of having God Himself as your own character where His disposition becomes our own.

Most make themselves of no account to God by the creeds they follow of some belief system as in Catholic, Mormons, Jehovas Witness, Muslims, Baptists, you name it, or you can be determined to demolish those things of man made creeds and let God bring another son to glory. That is the choice God presents before us and that is the choice we all make.

Jesus made his choice in Matt 3:16.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Turning the natural life into a spiritual. life is a matter of moral choices. The fight isn't against sin, the fight, (the war), is spiritual. Our natural life is a very hard thing to give up of our own ways but is expediant to relinquish what we believe and adhere to what God commands of us to be like Him and in His same image, and the only way that can happen is through Gods redemption.

God does not just pop in and make us holy in sense of character but a series of moral choices. It is one thing to morally sit in a pew once a week but is an entirely different thing to make the choice of having God Himself as your own character where His disposition becomes our own.

Most make themselves of no account to God by the creeds they follow of some belief system as in Catholic, Mormons, Jehovas Witness, Muslims, Baptists, you name it, or you can be determined to demolish those things of man made creeds and let God bring another son to glory. That is the choice God presents before us and that is the choice we all make.

Jesus made his choice in Matt 3:16.

The way I see it, natural versus spiritual life isn't an either/or proposition. God gave us natural lives in a natural world, and surely you wouldn't suggest that God would do so to prevent us from being fulfilled spiritually. So there isn't necessarily any need to "demolish man made creeds" even if they seem merely natural. Those creeds are often part of God's plan for us. If we were to reject all man's creeds, then we would reject the OP!

Because, Gary, you are a natural man living in a natural world espousing creeds of your own.

 

[Gary Mac]

The way I see it, natural versus spiritual life isn't an either/or proposition. God gave us natural lives in a natural world, and surely you wouldn't suggest that God would do so to prevent us from being fulfilled spiritually.

The only reason we exist as mortal being is to have from God His same mind and in His same SPIRITUAL image that He is and created us for.

So there isn't necessarily any need to "demolish man made creeds" even if they seem merely natural.

I agree, if one does not want to be of the creator then creeds are your answers.
Creeds are natural, what is natural is to have Gods same m ind and anointed of Him. That is a gift and either one receives His gift or one does not.

Those creeds are often part of God's plan for us.

No' creeds are mans own laws man developed to control his beliefs for a god. Catholic creed, Mormons, creed, Jehovas Witness creed, Muslims creed, Baptists creed. They all have they own laws and bylaws to regulate their gods and they all have a different one they creed to.

If we were to reject all man's creeds, then we would reject the OP!

If one rejects the creeds of man and clings to the ways of God to be like Him instead and perfect as He is perfect then I have no need for a creed at all dod I for God Himself is my knowledge, isn't it?

Because, Gary, you are a natural man living in a natural world espousing creeds of your own.

Well if you think I created the ways of God in Christ where God Himself came and gave me His gift of Himself and I created that creed that Jesus said I should be one in the Father with He in me and I inHim as one as he was one in the Father in the Father that Jesus prayed to his God for me to be in John 17, then to you Jesus had only a creed with no substance to back up his claims for his God that he said he obeyed.

So to you Jesus only had a creed that he followed and God really didnt come to him and open up all of His heaven int hat man?

Which one did Jesus creed to? Catholics, Mormons, Jehovas Witness, AOGs, COCs, Baptists?

All you have is a creed that you follow and all I have is God Himself manifest in me just as He was manifest in Jesus in Matt 3:16 which is not of a creed but the reality of God Himself.

And the promise is when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him 1 John 3, not like the creeds of man that you say is necessary for a god. J

Jesus was under the creed of the Jewish temple until he was about 30 years old when God relieved him from that creed in Matt 3:16 and became like GHod to know this difference. And Jesus was not the first one to receive Gods gift, Adam was in Gen 3;22. Abraham, Moses, all received before Jesus did, and all of these were of a creed before their event with God Himself. Only then were these set free from the law of.

It is obvious you like your creed more then you like God coming to you and manifesting Himself in you, for you defend your creed for your god instead.

Back to the OP -- Jesus made his choice in Matt 3:16 who he would follow, and in that the creed he was of went by the wayside didnt it.

Ironic is -- the very creed he was of in the Jewish temple and taught it even from a young age are the very ones who had him crucified for blaspheme against their creed.

You really cant see what creeds has done in Christendom can you? It has turned many away from God instead of letting God come and making His abode in you no different from what He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The only reason we exist as mortal being is to have from God His same mind and in His same SPIRITUAL image that He is and created us for.

Why can't all that happen if we are spirits from the start?

No' creeds are mans own laws man developed to control his beliefs for a god. Catholic creed, Mormons, creed, Jehovas Witness creed, Muslims creed, Baptists creed. They all have they own laws and bylaws to regulate their gods and they all have a different one they creed to.

Then that would include your creed. You are a creed-making person as much as any other Christian.

If one rejects the creeds of man and clings to the ways of God to be like Him instead and perfect as He is perfect then I have no need for a creed at all dod

But that's a creed of your own!

I for God Himself is my knowledge, isn't it?

I don't understand this question.

Well if you think I created the ways of God in Christ where God Himself came and gave me His gift of Himself and I created that creed that Jesus said I should be one in the Father with He in me and I inHim as one as he was one in the Father in the Father that Jesus prayed to his God for me to be in John 17,

I don't see why God would espouse all this "inside-outside" creed you keep posting.

then to you Jesus had only a creed with no substance to back up his claims for his God that he said he obeyed.

No, Jesus preached a creed that He made real for us.

Which one did Jesus creed to? Catholics, Mormons, Jehovas Witness, AOGs, COCs, Baptists?

Jesus "creeds" to all of us.

... all I have is God Himself manifest in me just as He was manifest in Jesus in Matt 3:16 which is not of a creed but the reality of God Himself.

That's an interesting creed you have there.

It is obvious you like your creed more then you like God coming to you and manifesting Himself in you, for you defend your creed for your god instead.

But God manifesting in us is a creed.

You really cant see what creeds has done in Christendom can you? It has turned many away from God instead of letting God come and making His abode in you no different from what He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16.

Actually, without creeds I think that there would be no Christianity.

 

[Gary Mac]

Why can't all that happen if we are spirits from the start?

We do have a spirit from the start, but it is our own spirit, or mind, it just isn't Gods Mind, or Spirit the mind is called.

Not even Jesus was born with Gods mind so obvious in Matt 3:16 where God came tp that man and gave him His mind, His same disposition of mind, otherwise Spirit.

Then that would include your creed. You are a creed-making person as much as any other Christian.

Only to you who has not met thew Father face to face for had you you would know that it is not a creed to be like Him as He commands of you as well but the stark reality of His actual being.

That is not a creed that is obedience to actually meet and receieve from God theta what Jesus did in Matt 3:16, Adam did in Gen 3:22 Abraham did, Moses did, 120 did, and so do all today who has been Him as He is for we are like Him, and when you see Him asa He really is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3.

The reason His way is a creed for you is you follow a different god aside from the One Jesus met and was of.

But that's a creed of your own!

if you believe that Jesus in his ways in the Father was only a creed and not teacher of Gods way then there really isn't anything Jesus or God or I can can say because you stand in the road and will not let Him pass.

I don't understand this question.

And that is your answer. You do not understand what it is to be of God as Jesus was of God.

I don't see why God would espouse all this "inside-outside" creed you keep posting.

That is from lack in having met Him face to face where He comes into man from the outward inward. See Matt 3:16. He came to Jesus from the outward to the inward man. That is why you see His ways as a creed and not the reality of Him manifest Himself in you as He did Jesus and these others who God manifested Himself in.

The reality of God is not a creed, it id God Himself coming to you, the One who is at your door knocking this day and anyone who will let Him in He WILL COME TO YOU AND SUP WITH YOU AND BE IN YOU. Rev 3:20-21.

I know that you see that as a creed but we who He is come to it isn't a creed at all but living His own way of life, that of Christ to be Gods anointed.

Ask yourself why you see the ways of Jesus as a creed!

No, Jesus preached a creed that He made real for us.

No quite contrary -- Jesus preached a life to live that isn't a creed but is the reality of. You just never heard the teachings of Jesus is all, all you have head is the creed of the ones you follow instead of being like Jesus was in the father, walk as He walks in His same light, have the same signs following you. Those things are not a creed Soldier they are the reality of meeting God face to face.

Jesus "creeds" to all of us.

If all that Jesus can do is tell you what you should be, then he was the biggest failure ever to step foot on this planet. If all he can do is present to you the the laws for a creed with no reality, then God failed miserably of the one He sent to lead you to the Father.

That's an interesting creed you have there.

I t is only a creed for this who has not met God that He been you and you be in Him as one as Jesus preyed to this God for you to be. And because you cant get to that place of reality then to you Jesus was only a creed by law. Creeds are only driven by law, that is why we who are of God as Jesus was are no longer under the laws for a creed. Jesus came out from under that creed in Matt 3:16 when God kicked him out of the creed, or laws that creeds are, of the Jewish temple.

But God manifesting in us is a creed.

That is impossible. Either He is come to you and be in you or He is not and the lsaws of your creed forbid you to be like Him and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

You cant distinguish law from reality is all. It is one or the other, either you are like Him, or you are like another.

Actually, without creeds I think that there would be no Christianity.

If everyone receieved from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16 there would be no creeds for a god at all. We all would be like Him as is common with those who saw Him as He really is.

Creeds are designed to stir you toward laws for a belief for a god. The God who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 comes and frees us from those laws. That is exactly what you cannot grasp for everything to you is a creed, laws for a belief, with no reality, noting tangible that you can relate to.

The Religious minded as yourself comes to me with the demand that I believe this and that and do this and that.

The Spiritual minded comes to me with the demand that I square my life with the standards of Jesus Christ.

To you the ways of Jesus is only a creed to follow by law with no reality of God manifest Himself in you.

I do get where you are coming from for I was of creeds of man for 30 years when God came to me and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in me. See Matt 3:16 this is how He does it in man from Adam right down to me.

I'm not ignorant for what a creed is and certainly not ignorant for what reality is.

I was deacon and elder, teacher of the creed, preached it no different from what Jesus did even at a young age but the same day came to me as came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and in that I was kicked out from these creeds just as Jesus was and now Look -- the very ones he once creed to are the very ones, as yourself, who had him crucified for blaspheme against the laws of their creed to follow.

Soldier -- Reality is not a creed!

 

[Gary Mac]

Demonstration is what people see in another. People can relate with what they can identify with. The word of God is useless without the demonstration and just as Jesus said if you cant believe what I say then believe that what I do.

If one claims to be of Christ but does not demonstrate the character of God and what it is to be of Christ as Jesus did, then who is going to believe what you say at all. Jesus was crucified for his claims, and ironic is people saw what he did and counted it as witchcraft. It is the same today even in this very forum where testimonies of what God has done in me people mock and and call it gnostic lies.

God does not only expect me to do His will but He is in me to do it -- and that is what is missing in Christendom for the most part right up to this very hour.

Is that mysterious, logically contradictory, and absurd? Yes but a glorious reality to a saint.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

We do have a spirit from the start, but it is our own spirit, or mind, it just isn't Gods Mind, or Spirit the mind is called.

I didn't ask why we don't have a spirit but why we aren't spirits from the start.

Only to you who has not met thew Father face to face for had you you would know that it is not a creed to be like Him as He commands of you as well but the stark reality of His actual being.

Gary, you've never met the Father face to face.

And that is your answer. You do not understand what it is to be of God as Jesus was of God.

Well, I don't understand your version.

 

[Gary Mac]

I didn't ask why we don't have a spirit but why we aren't spirits from the start.

We are. Our mind is our spirit.

Gary, you've never met the Father face to face.

What you really mean is you haven't and dont have a clue what it is to be like Him. That is why you cant relate to us who has seen the Father as Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, Jesus did in Matt 3:16, as 120 saw Him in an upper room. All of us who has seen Him are exactly like Him and in His same image. You would have to be in His same image to understand is all.

Well, I don't understand your version.

I dont have a version, I have the author of of it to interpret for me. This is what God does it is He who instructs my mind.

You however only understand what man has taught you from some belief system made out from opinions instead of God Himself giving you His revelations, and the very reason you cant relate to being like Him yourself as He commands of you to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in haven is perfect, walk as He walks in His same light, the mind of Christ, with the same signs following you.

That is the reason you mock His ways with comments like -- Gary you never met the Father face to face.
Soldier -- you dont have a clue because you havent met Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 yourself! That is exactly why you cant relate to me using Him as He is as Jesus and these peers did. It is the way of God. God is a Spirit you just havent learned that yet is all. Most worship a man as a god named Jesus instead of the One Jesus obeyed and said sent him to lead you to the same place in the Father he was at in the Father.

He in me and I inHim are one, same mind of Christ, same walk as He walks in His same light as I am supposed to. But that isn't for you is it?