YHWH(Jehovah) =Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17= THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3)
Yes the followers of Jesus bow in obeisance to Gods appointed king.
Two YHWH in the same verse.
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Yes the followers of Jesus bow in obeisance to Gods appointed king.
God gave Jesus the name above the other angels making him better than them( Heb 1:4)--So obviously God is greater, just as Jesus taught-The Father is greater than i. John 14:28)--God gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth-God gave Jesus the right to judge. God appointed Jesus to a kingship( Dan 7:13-15) God did all the powerful works through Jesus( Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6)-- God=YHWH(Jehovah) created all those things through Jesus( Coll 1:15-16)
But in the end-1Cor 15:24-28- Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself=forever. YHWH(Jehovah) is the most important name.
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Jesus laid aside his equality, wealth, Joy and Glory with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and humbled himself to the form of a servant .
”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version
“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor. 8:9
Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.
John 17
“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Thank you, Jesus, for coming down from your throne in heaven where you were the Almighty God, “EL SHADDAI”, The Great I AM creator of all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, and principalities and powers, the galaxy, constellations, the cosmos everything created you created . You were rich yet you became poor. You were Almighty yet you emptied yourself and became a humble servant, you exchanged joy for sorrow , sorrow by dying a shameful death on a cross as a criminal even thou you had no sin , Jesus you laid aside your Glory with God the Father and Holy Spirit . Jesus you should have been born as a King in an opulent palace, instead of a servant in a stable in a manager. Thank you, Jesus for your sacrifice
Luke 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
It's interesting how Jesus, The Almighty God, the creator of everything that exist both in heaven and earth, humbled himself. He humbled himself to a point where he was obedient to Mary and Joseph, one of the poorest couples in the world. A world that he created. He washed the feet of the disciples something done by gentile slaves. Jewish slaves were exempt from this humble service. Jesus was also a “Nazarene” which carries with it an allusion to those prophecies which speak of Christ as “despised of men” (Isa. 53:3)
Jesus never had equality. He is a created being. Jesus is never called almighty. He is Gods master worker of Prov 8-The one beside God during the creation process. He gives God all credit. Tells all he was created-Prov 8:22-25)--trinity religions=darkness=a mass of confusion, failing this true mark 100%=1Cor 1:10-Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division)---they cant seem to understand a simple bible statement-no division. They are a house divided, they will not stand.
Elijah the Tishbite
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Jesus Christ is God, the Creator, the Almighty, the Word, the Lord, the Son of God, the Saviour, the only way, never sinned, etc
Part 1
The gospel of John declares that Jesus Christ is God in its first verse. Referring to Christ, John wrote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
The Bible is quite clear that God created all things. This is clearly shown in Genesis 1 and other parts of the Old Testament (Exo 20:11, Exo 31:17, et al).
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - Gen 1:1
But the New Testament declares that Jesus Christ created all things. So the following verses prove that Jesus Christ is God Almighty.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:3
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. - John 1:10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: - Col 1:16
In the following verse Jesus declares Himself as “I am”.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58
God used the same phrase about himself in the Old Testament. That phrase means always existed, always will exist. That means Christ is God.
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. - Exo 3:14
In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, “God”. Christ did not correct him.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28
In the Old Testament, God refers to Himself as “the first” and “the last” in Isa 41:4, Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12. Jesus Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending” in Rev 1:8. Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” in Rev 1:11. Jesus Christ is called “the first and the last” in Rev 1:17. Christ is also called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end” in Rev 21:6. Finally, Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last” in Rev 22:13. All these prove that Christ is God.
In Rev 1:18, Christ is called “the Almighty”. Thus, Jesus Christ is God.
In Rev 22:6, Jesus Christ is called “the Lord God of the holy prophets”. Again, this is another proof that Christ is God. Note, one of the purposes of the book of Revelation is to declare who Christ is, and that is, Christ is the Almighty, God.
In Micah 5:2, Jesus Christ is said to be “from everlasting”, meaning He has always existed. This is another proof that Christ is God.
In Heb 7:3, the phrase “having neither beginning of days” is attributed to Christ. Thus, Christ has no beginning and is thus God.
Heb 1:8 says, “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne O God”. Thus, Christ is called God.
In Heb 1:6, it says of Christ, “let all the angles of God worship him”. The angels only worship God, so Christ is God.
In Heb 1:2, it says of Jesus Christ, “by whom also he made the worlds”. So, Christ is the Creator, that is, God Almighty.
In Isa 9:6, it refers to Christ as “The Mighty God”. Again, this proves Jesus Christ is God.
In Daniel 9:24, Christ is referred to as “the most holy”. That proves He is God.
In Rom 15:12, Jesus is referred to as “the root of Jesse”. In Rev 5:5, Christ is called “the Root of David”. And in Rev 22:16, Christ is called “the root and offspring of David”. But in the genealogy of Christ found in Luke 3, the root of Jesse and the root of David is God. So Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 3:16, describes Christ as “God manifest in the flesh”. So, Jesus Christ is God.
Phil 2:6 says of Christ, “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God”. Again this proves Christ is God.
In 1 Cor 15:47, Jesus is referred to as “the Lord from heaven” and 1 Cor 12:3 says “Jesus is the Lord”. The Lord is God (see Exo 6:2, et al), so both declare that Jesus Christ is God.
In Titus, the phrases, “God our Saviour” and “Christ our Saviour”, appear together 3x, once in each chapter of Titus. So, Christ is God.
In John 3:13, Christ, while on earth says, “the Son of man which is in heaven”. Only God can be in 2 places at once. So, Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 6:15, Jesus Christ is called “the blessed and only Potentate”. That means Christ is God.
In Rev 19:13 and 1 Tim 6:15, Christ is called “the King of kings, and Lord of lords”. All these show that Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 1:17, Jesus is called “the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God”. So, the Lord Jesus Christ is God.
In Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is called “the great God”. This is another proof that Jesus is God.
In 2 Pet 1:1, Christ is called, “God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”. In Jude 1:25, Jesus Christ is referred to as “to the only wise God, our Saviour”. Both prove Christ is God.
The following passage shows that Christ is God.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. - 1 Thess 4:14
The following passage also proves that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. - Rom 14:10-12
Speaking of Jesus, Acts 20:28 says, “to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Again this shows Christ is God.
In Acts 7:59, Stephen is “calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Thus Jesus Christ is God.
In Rom 9:5, it says, “Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever.” This again shows that Christ is God.
In John 5:23, Jesus Christ says, “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.” We honor the Father as God, so we must honor the Son, Jesus Christ, as God.
In Zech 12:10, God says, “they shall look upon me whom they have pierced”. This is a direct proof that Christ is God crucified on the cross.
The following verse declares the triune God Almighty, which means one God in three persons. So Christ, who is the Word, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7
The triune God Almighty is shown in the following verse. Note that “name” is singular. Thus one God in three persons. Jesus Christ, who is the Son, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matt 28:19
The triune God Almighty was revealed in Genesis 1. Note in the following passage God refers to God as plural 3 times in verse 26. God does not give His glory as Creator to another (see Isa 42:8). So the 3 plural pronouns must refer to God alone. So although there is only one God, singular, God must also be plural. The 3 plural pronouns reveal that there is one God in three persons. The 3 creates in verse 27 also reveal the triune God Almighty.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness … 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27
The Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are revealed at the baptism of Jesus Christ in all 4 gospel accounts (Matt 3:16-17, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32). The Father says “thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” and the Holy Spirit descends as a dove upon Jesus.
In the following verse, God is speaking, but the “me” referred to is Jesus Christ. This reveals the triune God Almighty.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. - Isa 48:16
Jesus Christ says, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). So both the Father and the Son are God.
In Matt 4:10, Jesus says, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
Therefore, when Christ is worshipped, it proves the He is God. There are 13 times in the 4 gospel accounts where Christ is worshipped.
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. - John 9:38
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: - Luke 24:52
Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. - Matt 20:20
See also: Matt 2:2, Matt 2:11, Matt 8:2, Matt 9:18, Matt 14:33, Matt 15:25, Matt 28:9, Matt 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52.
Jesus Christ said:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. – John 8:24
Please read by topic “The certainty of everlasting torment in the lake of fire for those that never believe the gospel of Christ.”
Part 1
The gospel of John declares that Jesus Christ is God in its first verse. Referring to Christ, John wrote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
The Bible is quite clear that God created all things. This is clearly shown in Genesis 1 and other parts of the Old Testament (Exo 20:11, Exo 31:17, et al).
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - Gen 1:1
But the New Testament declares that Jesus Christ created all things. So the following verses prove that Jesus Christ is God Almighty.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:3
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. - John 1:10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: - Col 1:16
In the following verse Jesus declares Himself as “I am”.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58
God used the same phrase about himself in the Old Testament. That phrase means always existed, always will exist. That means Christ is God.
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. - Exo 3:14
In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, “God”. Christ did not correct him.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28
In the Old Testament, God refers to Himself as “the first” and “the last” in Isa 41:4, Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12. Jesus Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending” in Rev 1:8. Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” in Rev 1:11. Jesus Christ is called “the first and the last” in Rev 1:17. Christ is also called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end” in Rev 21:6. Finally, Christ is called “Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last” in Rev 22:13. All these prove that Christ is God.
In Rev 1:18, Christ is called “the Almighty”. Thus, Jesus Christ is God.
In Rev 22:6, Jesus Christ is called “the Lord God of the holy prophets”. Again, this is another proof that Christ is God. Note, one of the purposes of the book of Revelation is to declare who Christ is, and that is, Christ is the Almighty, God.
In Micah 5:2, Jesus Christ is said to be “from everlasting”, meaning He has always existed. This is another proof that Christ is God.
In Heb 7:3, the phrase “having neither beginning of days” is attributed to Christ. Thus, Christ has no beginning and is thus God.
Heb 1:8 says, “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne O God”. Thus, Christ is called God.
In Heb 1:6, it says of Christ, “let all the angles of God worship him”. The angels only worship God, so Christ is God.
In Heb 1:2, it says of Jesus Christ, “by whom also he made the worlds”. So, Christ is the Creator, that is, God Almighty.
In Isa 9:6, it refers to Christ as “The Mighty God”. Again, this proves Jesus Christ is God.
In Daniel 9:24, Christ is referred to as “the most holy”. That proves He is God.
In Rom 15:12, Jesus is referred to as “the root of Jesse”. In Rev 5:5, Christ is called “the Root of David”. And in Rev 22:16, Christ is called “the root and offspring of David”. But in the genealogy of Christ found in Luke 3, the root of Jesse and the root of David is God. So Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 3:16, describes Christ as “God manifest in the flesh”. So, Jesus Christ is God.
Phil 2:6 says of Christ, “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God”. Again this proves Christ is God.
In 1 Cor 15:47, Jesus is referred to as “the Lord from heaven” and 1 Cor 12:3 says “Jesus is the Lord”. The Lord is God (see Exo 6:2, et al), so both declare that Jesus Christ is God.
In Titus, the phrases, “God our Saviour” and “Christ our Saviour”, appear together 3x, once in each chapter of Titus. So, Christ is God.
In John 3:13, Christ, while on earth says, “the Son of man which is in heaven”. Only God can be in 2 places at once. So, Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 6:15, Jesus Christ is called “the blessed and only Potentate”. That means Christ is God.
In Rev 19:13 and 1 Tim 6:15, Christ is called “the King of kings, and Lord of lords”. All these show that Christ is God.
In 1 Tim 1:17, Jesus is called “the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God”. So, the Lord Jesus Christ is God.
In Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is called “the great God”. This is another proof that Jesus is God.
In 2 Pet 1:1, Christ is called, “God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”. In Jude 1:25, Jesus Christ is referred to as “to the only wise God, our Saviour”. Both prove Christ is God.
The following passage shows that Christ is God.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. - 1 Thess 4:14
The following passage also proves that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. - Rom 14:10-12
Speaking of Jesus, Acts 20:28 says, “to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Again this shows Christ is God.
In Acts 7:59, Stephen is “calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Thus Jesus Christ is God.
In Rom 9:5, it says, “Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever.” This again shows that Christ is God.
In John 5:23, Jesus Christ says, “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.” We honor the Father as God, so we must honor the Son, Jesus Christ, as God.
In Zech 12:10, God says, “they shall look upon me whom they have pierced”. This is a direct proof that Christ is God crucified on the cross.
The following verse declares the triune God Almighty, which means one God in three persons. So Christ, who is the Word, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7
The triune God Almighty is shown in the following verse. Note that “name” is singular. Thus one God in three persons. Jesus Christ, who is the Son, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matt 28:19
The triune God Almighty was revealed in Genesis 1. Note in the following passage God refers to God as plural 3 times in verse 26. God does not give His glory as Creator to another (see Isa 42:8). So the 3 plural pronouns must refer to God alone. So although there is only one God, singular, God must also be plural. The 3 plural pronouns reveal that there is one God in three persons. The 3 creates in verse 27 also reveal the triune God Almighty.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness … 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27
The Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are revealed at the baptism of Jesus Christ in all 4 gospel accounts (Matt 3:16-17, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32). The Father says “thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” and the Holy Spirit descends as a dove upon Jesus.
In the following verse, God is speaking, but the “me” referred to is Jesus Christ. This reveals the triune God Almighty.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. - Isa 48:16
Jesus Christ says, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). So both the Father and the Son are God.
In Matt 4:10, Jesus says, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
Therefore, when Christ is worshipped, it proves the He is God. There are 13 times in the 4 gospel accounts where Christ is worshipped.
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. - John 9:38
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: - Luke 24:52
Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. - Matt 20:20
See also: Matt 2:2, Matt 2:11, Matt 8:2, Matt 9:18, Matt 14:33, Matt 15:25, Matt 28:9, Matt 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52.
Jesus Christ said:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. – John 8:24
Please read by topic “The certainty of everlasting torment in the lake of fire for those that never believe the gospel of Christ.”
John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons( trinity translating) The true God in the second lines Greek word ends in v=God-The Word( Logos) Greek word ends in g=god. The same occurs at 2Cor 4:4-the only other spot in the NT-satans Greek word ends in g=god-the true Gods Greek word ends in v=God-translating works the same at both spots. Its why there is a difference in the 2 words 1 is God, 1 is god. The sad fact of that is trinity scholars know its fact and say nothing.
Yes one in purpose.
Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Prov 8=Jesus)--God created all things. He created Jesus direct-first and last( Prov 8:22-25) Col 1:15-16) see God created stuff through Jesus. The FIRSTBORN of all creation. Blind guides say it was when birthed as a mortal. All creation occurred at the beginning = 100% fact.
Yes believe he is the Messiah.
The Greek word-Proskenaue has 5 meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge, plus2 others. The Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God( Psalm 45:7) and would never give worship to one who has a God, they bowed in obeisance to Gods appointed king. Trinity translations are altered and filled with errors to mislead by satans will.
The Prophet
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Isa. 44:24
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
Malachi 2
10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?
Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers
Elijah the Tishbite
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The Messiah did have a God since he laid aside his equality, Wealth, Joy, and glory when he was born here on earth
Philippians 2:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, ”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version
“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor. 8:9
Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.
John 17
“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Thank you, Jesus, for coming down from your throne in heaven where you were the Almighty God, “EL SHADDAI”, The Great I AM creator of all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, and principalities and powers, the galaxy, constellations, the cosmos everything created you created . You were rich yet you became poor. You were Almighty yet you emptied yourself and became a humble servant, you exchanged joy for sorrow , sorrow by dying a shameful death on a cross as a criminal even thou you had no sin , Jesus you laid aside your Glory with God the Father and Holy Spirit . Jesus you should have been born as a King in an opulent palace, instead of a servant in a stable in a manager. Thank you, Jesus for your sacrifice
Luke 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
It's interesting how Jesus, The Almighty God, the creator of everything that exist both in heaven and earth, humbled himself. He humbled himself to a point where he was obedient to Mary and Joseph, one of the poorest couples in the world. A world that he created. He washed the feet of the disciples something done by gentile slaves. Jewish slaves were exempt from this humble service. Jesus was also a “Nazarene” which carries with it an allusion to those prophecies which speak of Christ as “despised of men” (Isa. 53:3)
Yes by himself= He is the only with the power to create. His Master worker at Prov 8 gives God all credit for the creating. Jesus explains how it is-John 5:30--He can do 0 of his own. It is God who did it all through him-Acts 2:22, 1 Cor 8:5-6, Col 1:15-16)
Elijah the Tishbite
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No where is Jesus refered to as the Master worker
No one else can be called Gods master worker except the one God created all other things through. Who else was beside God during the creation process?
The Prophet
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None according to Isa 44:24
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
Except the being sent to earth and named Jesus as a mortal GOD(YHWH(Jehovah) created all other things-THROUGH- Jesus-Col 1:15-16--Yes alone by himself meaning the only one with the power to do so. Both spots LORD you showed should be-YHWH
The Prophet
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No-Every spot in OT that GOD or LORD all capitols=YHWH in Gods will. Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and put titles in place to mislead. I say,the wicked keep his name out and mislead all using the altered translations to support satans will over Gods will.
The Prophet
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Doesn't every time YHWH is mentioned it's referring to Jesus ?
Never. YHWH said to my Lord( Jesus) proves Jesus is not YHWH. Even in your altered translations that has The LORD said to my Lord( Jesus) proves Jesus is not YHWH. YHWH always got-LORD all capitols in the OT. Jesus did not.
Elijah the Tishbite
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Psalm 102:So that the name of Jehovah will be declared in Zion And his praise in Jerusalem, 22 When the peoples and kingdoms Gather together to serve Jehovah.+ 23 He prematurely robbed me of my strength; He cut short my days. 24 I said: O my God, Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations. 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 26 They will perish, but you will remain; just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. 27 But you are the same, and your years will never end. 28 The children of your servants will dwell securely, And their offspring will be firmly established before you.
Hebrews 1: But when he again brings his Firstborn+ into the inhabited earth, he says: And let all of Gods angels do obeisance to him. 7 Also, he says about the angels: He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*+ a flame of fire. 8 But about the Son, he says: God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 you loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions. 10 And: At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.Under the footnote in verse 12 in New World foundation says this comes from Psalms 102 where it is a reference to YHWH .
GOD= YHWH(Jehovah) he alone has the power to create. He created all other things-THROUGH Jesus-Col 1:15-16--making Jesus the one who was beside God during the creation process= Gods master worker( Prov 8) at 22-25 he tells all he was created= Direct-first and last. And Gives God 100% credit for the creating at Prov 8. Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning.
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Can you prove Jesus was the Master Worker ?