Types and Antitype

[Kade Rystalmane]

This thread is for discussing Biblical types of water immersion that point to the New Testament antitype that saves you as spoken of in 1 Peter 3:21.

Tupos is translated as type, example, figure, print, pattern, or form. It is the idea of the mold into which metal is poured to take shape as a solid object. Thus the tupos is not the object but shows what shape the object will have. Types have explanatory power, and indeed their purpose is to help us understand the antitype to which they point.

All types necessarily point to an antitype. The types that point to an antitype may be many, but they may only point to one antitype else meaning is lost. Also, types are not the thing they point to but have an aspect or aspects of it to help us better understand the antitype. For example, a lamb sacrifice is a type that points to Christ even though the lamb is not human, not deity, cannot sin (has no moral component), and cannot actually take away sin. It is an explanation tool despite its limitations and inferiority to the antitype.

In regard to the Old Testament type vs New Testament antitype, there are some other considerations that may not be true of all uses of the word tupos. All Old Testament types are partial and inferior to the antitype they point to. All Old Testament Types were fulfilled in the first century within the timeline of recorded history of the New Testament (that is, by the end of the first century AD).

I believe that understanding the type-antitype relationship and understanding the types that point to NT water immersion show the form, medium (element), and purpose of the one NT immersion (Eph. 4:4). I look forward to our discussion.

In Truth and Love.

 

[Kade Rystalmane]

The Flood

The first tupos of NT immersion is the Flood of Noah's day. It is the very tupos that Peter references in 1 Peter 3:20-21:

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

In this tupos, eight souls (individuals) were saved by water. When we look back at Genesis 5-9 we see several things that teach us about the nature of the antitype.

• Water is the element.
• Water is completely immersive - it covered the whole planet, not just a portion.
• Water destroyed the wicked.
• Water saved those who were faithfully obedient to God's will.
• When the world came up out of the water, only righteousness remained.

So when we look at the antitype we can see these things as well.

Romans 6:3-7
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Concerning NT immersion:

• Water is the element (1 Peter 3:20-21 above).
• It is a burial and thus completely immersive. (Romans 6:4)
• It destroys the wicked (Romans 6:6)
• Water immersion saves (1 Peter 3:21)
• When we come up out of the water, only righteousness remains (Romans 6:4, 7)

There is certainly much more to these contexts that can be discussed. I'm just getting the conversation started with this portion.

In Truth and Love.

 

[Kade Rystalmane]

The Crossing of the Red Sea

The second tupos of NT immersion is when the Israelites crossed the Red Sea in Exodus 14. Here are some relevant texts to the event:

Exodus 14: 21-30
21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. 22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. 23 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. 24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, 25 And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the Lord fighteth for them against the Egyptians. 26 And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen. 27 And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the Lord overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 28 And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. 29 But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. 30 Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore.

1 Corinthians 10:1-2
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

In this tupos, an entire nation is saved by water. When we look back at Exodus 14 we see several things that teach us about the nature of the antitype.

• Water is the element.
• Water is completely immersive - it covered them on either side and above.
• Water destroyed the wicked.
• Water saved those who were faithfully obedient to God's will.
• When they went down into the water they were slaves of sin.
• When they came up out of the water they were no longer slaves but free.
• When they came up out of the water, God made them His people.

In addition to the verses early on in Romans 6 that I quoted above, we can look at a few verses down in that same context:

Romans 6:16-18
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Concerning NT immersion:

• Water is the element (1 Peter 3:21).
• It is completely immersive - it covers us on all sides and above (Romans 6:4).
• It destroys the wicked (Romans 6:6).
• Water immersion saves (1 Peter 3:21).
• When we go down into the water we were slaves of sin (Romans 6:17).
• When we come up out of the water we are no longer slaves but free (Romans 6:17-18).
• When we come up out of the water, God makes us part of His family (Gal. 3:26-4:7).

There are other types to discuss with different things to teach, but I will begin with these two most obvious ones.

In Truth and Love.

 

[travelah]

You are suggesting that it is water immersion that saves and not faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you mean to say faith plus water. Is there anything else you would add to water?

 

[Kade Rystalmane]

You are suggesting that it is water immersion that saves and not faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you mean to say faith plus water. Is there anything else you would add to water?

I am really focusing on the type-antitype relationship. The water itself doesn't actually do anything. It's just matter. Even faith doesn't actually do the saving. It's just the conduit through which grace operates. I don't believe the Bible says anything alone saves. I believe there are many things involved. Grace is the causal force that saves, obedient faith is the conduit that saves. Obedient faith includes understanding and accepting Jesus Christ as savior and the truth of God's Word, i.e. accepting the gospel truth, confessing our faith in Christ before others, repenting of our sins and turning towards God, and being immersed in water into Christ for the purpose of having our sins remitted/washed away. Even faithfulness afterwards has a part in salvation. But the water is just one part even though its the point we come into contact with the blood and are reborn. I hope that is the kind of answer you were looking for.

 

[UncleAbee]

I don't believe the Bible says anything alone saves. I believe there are many things involved.

I 100% agree with your statement. The bible says that many things are involved in salvation. Paul thought this as well. For him salvation is a process and a future event. It doesn't actually occur until Jesus comes.

 

[Kade Rystalmane]

I 100% agree with your statement. The bible says that many things are involved in salvation. Paul thought this as well. For him salvation is a process and a future event. It doesn't actually occur until Jesus comes.

I believe it happens immediately at immersion in water into Christ. There is more to the concept, surely, but its real and actual at the time of immersion. Part of the contention is usually defining terms. What does salvation mean? What are we saved from? How are we saved? What causes salvation? Once we define what we mean by "salvation" then we can better understand one another when we talk about salvation. 😁

 

[Saxon]

The Crossing of the Red Sea

The second tupos of NT immersion is when the Israelites crossed the Red Sea in Exodus 14. Here are some relevant texts to the event:




In this tupos, an entire nation is saved by water. When we look back at Exodus 14 we see several things that teach us about the nature of the antitype.

• Water is the element.
• Water is completely immersive - it covered them on either side and above.
• Water destroyed the wicked.
• Water saved those who were faithfully obedient to God's will.
• When they went down into the water they were slaves of sin.
• When they came up out of the water they were no longer slaves but free.
• When they came up out of the water, God made them His people.

In addition to the verses early on in Romans 6 that I quoted above, we can look at a few verses down in that same context:

Concerning NT immersion:

• Water is the element (1 Peter 3:21).
• It is completely immersive - it covers us on all sides and above (Romans 6:4).
• It destroys the wicked (Romans 6:6).
• Water immersion saves (1 Peter 3:21).
• When we go down into the water we were slaves of sin (Romans 6:17).
• When we come up out of the water we are no longer slaves but free (Romans 6:17-18).
• When we come up out of the water, God makes us part of His family (Gal. 3:26-4:7).

There are other types to discuss with different things to teach, but I will begin with these two most obvious ones.

In Truth and Love.

They went through the red sea bed on dry ground. The water was pushed out of the way. No water baptism here. They were baptised unto Moses. Moses was the element of this baptism.

 

[Saxon]

The Flood

The first tupos of NT immersion is the Flood of Noah's day. It is the very tupos that Peter references in 1 Peter 3:20-21:



In this tupos, eight souls (individuals) were saved by water. When we look back at Genesis 5-9 we see several things that teach us about the nature of the antitype.

• Water is the element.
• Water is completely immersive - it covered the whole planet, not just a portion.
• Water destroyed the wicked.
• Water saved those who were faithfully obedient to God's will.
• When the world came up out of the water, only righteousness remained.

So when we look at the antitype we can see these things as well.


Concerning NT immersion:

• Water is the element (1 Peter 3:20-21 above).
• It is a burial and thus completely immersive. (Romans 6:4)
• It destroys the wicked (Romans 6:6)
• Water immersion saves (1 Peter 3:21)
• When we come up out of the water, only righteousness remains (Romans 6:4, 7)

There is certainly much more to these contexts that can be discussed. I'm just getting the conversation started with this portion.

In Truth and Love.

The flood was not a water baptism; it was a drowning. The type was the ark where the eight souls were safely carried through the water that was sent to kill, not save. The antitype is Jesus. (see 1Corinthians 12:13, Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27)

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Baptised into Christ; not water.

 

[Kade Rystalmane]

They went through the red sea bed on dry ground. The water was pushed out of the way. No water baptism here. They were baptised unto Moses. Moses was the element of this baptism.

This is just flat out denial at this point.

 

[Saxon]

This is just flat out denial at this point.

What is being denied? Your false idea that this was a water baptism? Did they go through on dry ground or did they not??

Exodus 14:16 but lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.

Exodus 14:22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

 

[JonHawk]

They went through the red sea bed on dry ground. The water was pushed out of the way. No water baptism here. They were baptised unto Moses. Moses was the element of this baptism.

They all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ .1 Corinthians 10:

... The antitype is Jesus. (see 1Corinthians 12:13, Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27)
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Baptised into Christ; not water.

God willing, let's press on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
the instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Put on Christ who is all and in all.

 

[Saxon]

They all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ .1 Corinthians 10:

God willing, let's press on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
the instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Put on Christ who is all and in all.

How does this relate?

 

[JonHawk]

They all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ .1 Corinthians 10:

How does this relate?

Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:17

 

[Buzzard]

Paul says of the Body
we are all of one,
and when any one member of the Body is sick
we are all affected by it

Matt.13:33
Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
till the whole was leavened.

 

[Saxon]

Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:17

That doesn't explain anything, How does the scripture that you quoted relate to what I have written?

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said:
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:17

That doesn't explain anything, How does the scripture that you quoted relate to what I have written?

Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of living water. Jer 17:13

 

[Saxon]

JonHawk said:
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:17

Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of living water. Jer 17:13

You are still not communicating.

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said:
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:17

Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of living water. Jer 17:13

You are still not communicating.

The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” 39 But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; John 7

 

[GeneZ]

Water was OT type. Holy Spirit is the new anti-type.

Confusion happens when we read the mistakes of Peter while he was yet learning the revolutionary new way for the Church. Peter continued with the mindset he had as a Jew in regards to water baptism. After all, the disciples of Jesus were water baptizing more converts than even John the Baptist. So, it was seen as normal as brushing our teeth to Peter.

Peter started off in a confused status. Here were gentile converts who were overtly baptized by the Spirit, but Peter faithfully persisted with what he knew - water baptism.

Jesus even told them before the church age began that water was to be replaced by the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:5 tells us that is true!

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For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”​

Those words slipped Peter's mind because of all the excitement going on around him, and it took till the eleventh chapter of Acts that Peter finally put it all together and changed his thinking in regards to water baptism. It was an understandable mistake considering all the wonder and newness that had been bombarding the newly born Church with.

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“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. ​

Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will ​

be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 11:15-16​

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Peter had been ministering up to then, in part, according to the old way.

Too many will follow what they read without understanding! Its where we end up getting into trouble with the truth, and turn the NT into obedience to Law ,rather than grace guided understanding as we should be!

Water baptism was for then. Its not for today. Holy Spirit baptism is central and the heart of the enabling power for the Church to live within!


grace and peace! .......