UK: People W/ Severe Allergies Should Not Take Pfizer Vaccine

Gondwanaland

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They are now recommending that people who have severe allergies to vaccines, medicine, or food (esp those prescribed autoinjector pens for said reactions) not take the Pfizer vaccine.

This comes shortly after two UK medical workers with a history of severe allergies experienced intense allergic reactions after being given the vaccine.

Allergy warning for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine after UK health workers with allergy history suffer reaction​

People with a "significant history of allergic reactions" should not be given the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, UK health authorities said Wednesday, after two health care workers experienced symptoms after receiving a shot the day before.
The precautionary advice was given after the pair "responded adversely" following their shots on the first day of the mass vaccination rollout in the UK, National Health Service England said Wednesday.
The two staff members -- who both carried an adrenaline auto injector and had a history of allergic reactions -- developed symptoms of anaphylactoid reaction after receiving the vaccine on Tuesday. Thousands overall were vaccinated in the UK on Tuesday, NHS England told CNN on Wednesday.
"As is common with new vaccines the MHRA [Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency] have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely yesterday," said Stephen Powis, the national medical director for NHS England, in a statement. "Both are recovering well."

The MHRA issued new advice to health care professionals stating that any person with a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food -- such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction, or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector -- should not receive the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine.
The advice also states that vaccines "should only be carried out in facilities where resuscitation measures are available."
"We are fully investigating the two reports that have been reported to us as a matter of priority," an MHRA spokesperson said.
"Once all the information has been reviewed we will communicate updated advice," the spokesperson added.
They advised anyone with a history of a significant allergic reaction due to receive the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to speak to the health care professional administering the vaccine.
Pfizer said in a statement that it had been advised by the UK regulator of "two yellow card reports that may be associated with allergic reaction" due to administration of the vaccine.
"As a precautionary measure, the MHRA has issued temporary guidance to the NHS while it conducts an investigation in order to fully understand each case and its causes. Pfizer and BioNTech are supporting the MHRA in the investigation," the statement said.
"In the pivotal phase 3 clinical trial, this vaccine was generally well tolerated with no serious safety concerns reported by the independent Data Monitoring Committee. The trial has enrolled over 44,000 participants to date, over 42,000 of whom have received a second vaccination."
Documents released on Tuesday by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said the Pfizer/BioNTech trial data indicated that there were potentially slightly more adverse responses thought to be allergic reactions among the vaccine group compared with the placebo group, at 0.63% compared with 0.51%.

Pfizer's trial protocol shows that people with a history of severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) "to any component of the study intervention" were not able to take part.
Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, told the UK's Science Media Centre that the increase was only "small" but said there was "a lot of uncertainty around that estimate."
He said that "some people won't know if they have hypersensitivity to some constituents of the vaccine."
He backed the MHRA advice for people who carry an EpiPen to delay having a vaccination until the reason for the allergic reaction has been clarified. But he said the news did not mean the general public should be anxious.
Peter Openshaw, professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College London, said: "As with all food and medications, there is a very small chance of an allergic reaction to any vaccine.
"The fact that we know so soon about these two allergic reactions and that the regulator has acted on this to issue precautionary advice shows that this monitoring system is working well."
Vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit told CNN that allergic reactions to vaccines were not uncommon: "Certainly, vaccines can cause severe allergic reactions. In the United States, roughly one of every 1.4 million doses of vaccines is complicated by a severe allergic reaction."
He said that rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to."
Offit said people should realize that there are immediate treatments for allergic reaction. "That's why you're hanging out in the doctor's office," he said, before warning that the reports of allergic reactions "will only serve as yet another way to scare people."
Saffron Cordery, deputy chief executive of NHS Providers, told Sky News on Sunday that the authorization and approval process for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine "has been incredibly robust." The head of Britain's medicines regulator also put out assurances on Sunday, saying the Pfizer/BioNTech shot was "as safe as any general vaccine."
US drug giant Pfizer and German company BioNTech have said there are "no serious safety concerns" over the vaccine.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention typically advises telling a provider if you have "any severe, life-threatening allergies" before taking any vaccine.
Allergies are also a consideration with other Covid-19 vaccines that have not yet been approved.
During Chinese company Sinovac's Phase 2 trial, one volunteer in the high dose group had a severe allergic reaction within 48 hours of the first dose, which researchers said may be related to the vaccine. The volunteer was treated for the reaction and recovered within three days. The same volunteer did not have a similar allergic reaction to the second shot.
Yep. I have zero plans to take any of these vaccines for at least a good year, and only after I see how it actually works out in all these guinea pigs taking it when it comes out.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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They are now recommending that people who have severe allergies to vaccines, medicine, or food (esp those prescribed autoinjector pens for said reactions) not take the Pfizer vaccine.

Yep. I have zero plans to take any of these vaccines for at least a good year, and only after I see how it actually works out in all these guinea pigs taking it when it comes out.
Ok
If you catch Covid, 80+ % mild to no symptoms.
So if you take vaccine 80+ % no ugly reaction.

So of the infected population, 80+% wore masks and were around people who wore masks.

So the actual lab tests, 80+ % are accurate. Maybe

If you are 80+ live in New York. Have any health problems, Hello Grim Reaper
 

Authentic Nouveau

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such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction

That is the identical reaction to what people with both covid and a damaged immune system experience. Your weakened immunesystem over reacts, resulting in fluid build up in the lungs poorO2 transfer and low O2 blood gases. Hypoxia, so they do a trach and slap you on a vent.
 

vibise

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They are now recommending that people who have severe allergies to vaccines, medicine, or food (esp those prescribed autoinjector pens for said reactions) not take the Pfizer vaccine.

This comes shortly after two UK medical workers with a history of severe allergies experienced intense allergic reactions after being given the vaccine.

Yep. I have zero plans to take any of these vaccines for at least a good year, and only after I see how it actually works out in all these guinea pigs taking it when it comes out.
Well, I think you are overreacting.

A grand total of two people had allergic reactions, but both had a history of severe allergies and both are recovering. Very few people should expect similar reactions to this vaccine.

Also, most of us are not on the priority list for the vaccine, as we are not healthcare workers or nursing home residents. Therefore, it will be at least 6 months before the rest of us have the opportunity of getting this vaccine, and by then, adverse consequences should be well documented. Also, at that point, there will be other vaccines available that will have been assessed for safety.

As for me, I routinely get flu shots and any other vaccine my doctor recommends. I expect I will get this one. However, I had a severe reaction to a vaccine I had in 1983. So I will bring this up when the covid vaccine is available to me, and follow my doctor's advice.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Well, I think you are overreacting.

A grand total of two people had allergic reactions, but both had a history of severe allergies and both are recovering. Very few people should expect similar reactions to this vaccine.

Also, most of us are not on the priority list for the vaccine, as we are not healthcare workers or nursing home residents. Therefore, it will be at least 6 months before the rest of us have the opportunity of getting this vaccine, and by then, adverse consequences should be well documented. Also, at that point, there will be other vaccines available that will have been assessed for safety.

As for me, I routinely get flu shots and any other vaccine my doctor recommends. I expect I will get this one. However, I had a severe reaction to a vaccine I had in 1983. So I will bring this up when the covid vaccine is available to me, and follow my doctor's advice.
Show us your sources.
 

Gondwanaland

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Well, I think you are overreacting.

A grand total of two people had allergic reactions, but both had a history of severe allergies and both are recovering. Very few people should expect similar reactions to this vaccine.

Also, most of us are not on the priority list for the vaccine, as we are not healthcare workers or nursing home residents. Therefore, it will be at least 6 months before the rest of us have the opportunity of getting this vaccine, and by then, adverse consequences should be well documented. Also, at that point, there will be other vaccines available that will have been assessed for safety.

As for me, I routinely get flu shots and any other vaccine my doctor recommends. I expect I will get this one. However, I had a severe reaction to a vaccine I had in 1983. So I will bring this up when the covid vaccine is available to me, and follow my doctor's advice.
Well, I couldn't care less what you think.

My uncle was permanently paralyzed by the polio vaccine.

The last time a vaccine was shoved through at 'warp speed' was the fiasco of the 70s Swine Flu vaccine.

So.... not interested in leaping on a vaccine like this that has not been ever used before.


I don't get flu shots. Every time I took one, I'd end up with the flu either shortly after or within the next couple months.
 

DeSanto

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They are now recommending that people who have severe allergies to vaccines, medicine, or food (esp those prescribed autoinjector pens for said reactions) not take the Pfizer vaccine.

This comes shortly after two UK medical workers with a history of severe allergies experienced intense allergic reactions after being given the vaccine.

Yep. I have zero plans to take any of these vaccines for at least a good year, and only after I see how it actually works out in all these guinea pigs taking it when it comes out.
Vaccines won’t save you...
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Four Volunteers Who Took Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Developed Bell’s Palsy – FDA Denies the Temporary Facial Paralysis Caused by the Shot​


Why should we trust FDA?
 

TeabagSalad

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Well, I couldn't care less what you think.

My uncle was permanently paralyzed by the polio vaccine.

The last time a vaccine was shoved through at 'warp speed' was the fiasco of the 70s Swine Flu vaccine.

So.... not interested in leaping on a vaccine like this that has not been ever used before.


I don't get flu shots. Every time I took one, I'd end up with the flu either shortly after or within the next couple months.
If you're getting a bad reaction to flu shots then it is probably something you should see a doctor about. It could be an indication of an underlying issue with your immune system. My uncle had a similar issue a couple of years ago; if he hadn't gone and seen a doctor about it he probably wouldn't be with us anymore.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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If you're getting a bad reaction to flu shots then it is probably something you should see a doctor about. It could be an indication of an underlying issue with your immune system. My uncle had a similar issue a couple of years ago; if he hadn't gone and seen a doctor about it he probably wouldn't be with us anymore.
Other than Age, diabetes and obesity, this pathogen is rather deadly to the assorted profiles with compromised immune systems.
The ones that NEED the vaccine have most patterns of adverse reactions.

People who don't have compromised immune systems, don't need the vaccine because most are asymptomatic.
 

vibise

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Other than Age, diabetes and obesity, this pathogen is rather deadly to the assorted profiles with compromised immune systems.
The ones that NEED the vaccine have most patterns of adverse reactions.

People who don't have compromised immune systems, don't need the vaccine because most are asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic people shed virus and infect other people. People who don't have compromised immune systems should get this vaccine.
 

vibise

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Well, I couldn't care less what you think.

My uncle was permanently paralyzed by the polio vaccine.

The last time a vaccine was shoved through at 'warp speed' was the fiasco of the 70s Swine Flu vaccine.

So.... not interested in leaping on a vaccine like this that has not been ever used before.


I don't get flu shots. Every time I took one, I'd end up with the flu either shortly after or within the next couple months.
Science has progressed significantly since the 70s.
By the time the vaccine is available to me, there will have been almost a year of data on its effectiveness and side effects, and I should be able to make an informed decision.
 

Gondwanaland

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By their track record they have earned that trust as the gold standard of regulatory agencies.

Read here about the frequency of paralysis and the two kinds of paralysis here.
Go read about the Cutter incident, which is how he was permanently paralyzed. Not 'extremely rare' there for him and countless other people.
 

Gondwanaland

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If you're getting a bad reaction to flu shots then it is probably something you should see a doctor about. It could be an indication of an underlying issue with your immune system. My uncle had a similar issue a couple of years ago; if he hadn't gone and seen a doctor about it he probably wouldn't be with us anymore.
Nope, I got my flu shots from my primary care physician. He admitted it varies from 40 to 60 percent effectiveness many years, and can indeed cause the flu. I have zero immune system issues - indeed in the 10 years after I ceased taking the flu vaccine, I've been sick (colds, etc.) enough times to count on one hand. And haven't had the flu until this year - or so I thought. I had a not-so-fun flu-like illness in February. It was only months later, when they started revealing that Covid had been in quite a few states since at least January (including mine, brought to Colorado by international skiiers coming to ski), that I realized my symptoms matched covid (back when I had it there were no detected cases in my state until a good couple weeks later so i didn't even think of it). Tested this summer by my doctor and sure enough, I have covid antibodies.
 
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