Unconditional election unto damnation.

Leatherneck0311

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Nonsense.


Appeal to emotion fallacy.


I have never blamed God for Adam and Eve's disobedience. That is a straw man.

My position has always been, God is soveteign over all things, and man isvtesponsible for his actions. That is clearky and simply stated several times in Acts, but my Lk 22:22:

And the Son of man goes as it is appointed; but woe be to that man by whom he is betrayed.
You said men do not have free will correct ? If everything happens through the election of God , since men do not have free will, who are you blaming for disobedience, sin, and rebellion against God ? No free will then those committing sin are made to sin by who ? If election then it is God’s fault if Satan what difference if there is no free will ? God did not create machines when He created man He created a breathing living human that could reason, make decisions, and yes based on scripture (not opinion) men can choose or reject God.
 

Leatherneck0311

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You came into this world without a free will.
You came into this world a slave to sin, and by God's grace and election, you are now a slave to righteousness (cf Rom 6).

Explain to me how you've come to understand scripture's description of your will as a slave to mean something it isn't; namely free?
Free will only operates when the Father draws to the Son then you are freed to believe, accept, and place faith in God, and or reject the truth then you are correct those who reject truth go right back to living a lie and are captives of Satan.
 

Howie

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You said men do not have free will correct ? If everything happens through the election of God , since men do not have free will, who are you blaming for disobedience, sin, and rebellion against God ?
Scripture blames men, as I've already told you.

Time for you to retire your straw man, Marine.

No free will then those committing sin are made to sin by who ?
God man made upright, but man sought out many devices (Ecc 7:29).

Time for you to retire your straw man.


If election then it is God’s fault if Satan what difference if there is no free will ? God did not create machines when He created man He created a breathing living human that could reason, make decisions, and yes based on scripture (not opinion) men can choose or reject God.
More straw men.
 

Howie

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Free will only operates when the Father draws to the Son then you are freed to believe, accept, and place faith in God, and or reject the truth then you are correct those who reject truth go right back to living a lie and are captives of Satan.
So man have NO FREE WILL ... UNTIL ...

Thanks ...
 

Leatherneck0311

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Scripture blames men, as I've already told you.

Time for you to retire your straw man, Marine.


God man made upright, but man sought out many devices (Ecc 7:29).

Time for you to retire your straw man.



More straw men.
There is election and free will as the scriptures I posted prove. If you would open your heart and spiritual eyes you would see both are in scripture, but like the Pharisees and Sadducees you only see what you want to see. Praying God soften your heart and open your eyes to His truth. Have a good day in the Lord.
 

Leatherneck0311

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So man have NO FREE WILL ... UNTIL ...

Thanks ...
I have never said otherwise.
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Jhn 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Yet everytime a Christian sins they exercise their “free will”.
 

Howie

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There is election and free will as the scriptures I posted prove. If you would open your heart and spiritual eyes you would see both are in scripture, but like the Pharisees and Sadducees you only see what you want to see. Praying God soften your heart and open your eyes to His truth. Have a good day in the Lird.
You won't listen to me. You're a true slave to your emotions, your religious syereotypes and their resultant straw men. Semper Fi ...
 

fltom

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NONE of those passages teach, "everyone is able to belive on their own".
If you believe differently, try to EXEGETE those passages to demonstrate your bogus claim.

Here is the anti-Calvinist methodology:

1) quote random verses that don't support your claims;

2) When Calvinists rightly point out that the verses don't refute Calvinism, falsely accuse Calvinists of being under a "stronghold", or wearing "Calvinist-coloured glasses".
Of course they do

Do you have anything to offer besides bald denial

John 5:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.




John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


All those are written to the spiritually dead

And these list just one criteria

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;



Acts 18:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

You need eisegesis to support Calvinism

Here is your methodology

Claim they don't support Calvinism

Ignore the fact you have eisegetically add to the verses what is never stated
 

Leatherneck0311

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Biblical trtuh is truth. Man's truth is often straw men, as you demonstrate.
God never gave man the ability to reason ? If God said don’t do something and through election made man do what He forbid them to do He would be a dishonest liar and He isn’t. When you read scripture you use the reasoning ability that God gave you and with the leadership of the Holy Spirit we get what God wants us to have, but your reasoning can accept or reject the scriptures and the truth. That is not a straw man that is truth.
 

Howie

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God never gave man the ability to reason ?
With that comes the ability to straw man
If God said don’t do something and through election made man do what He forbid them to do He would be a dishonest liar and He isn’t.
Straw man. As soon as you can link to a post quoting me saying that, you'll be saying truth. Until then, you are straw manning

When you read scripture you use the reasoning ability that God gave you and with the leadership of the Holy Spirit we get what God wants us to have, but your reasoning can accept or reject the scriptures and the truth. That is not a straw man that is truth.
I never said that was a straw man, so what's your point?
 

Leatherneck0311

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With that comes the ability to straw man

Straw man. As soon as you can link to a post quoting me saying that, you'll be saying truth. Until then, you are straw manning


I never said that was a straw man, so what's your point?
You have ignored a lot of truth and labeled it a straw man. I guess that is a good way to defend your position and beliefs(to yourself), but it isn’t very productive nor does calling something a straw man make the point untrue.
 
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