SeventhDay
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Understanding Elohim as a Single Person
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7D, Take this to the Oneness Forum. It does not belong here.
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Understanding Elohim as a Single Person
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God bless you.
7D, Take this to the Oneness Forum. It does not belong here.
the difference in a Single person, (here, concerning God), and a family. is this, ,,,,, a Family is G2087 heteros in NATURE, whereas God is G243 Allos with himself.Understanding Elohim as a Single Person
I can understand one wants to define God (Elohim) as a being because they teach that God is three God persons, therefore how can God be a person? However, in most cases God uses personal pronouns of himself not selves and God has a personality because he is personal and God himself. not selves' states thar "he" is "one" Lord not three.
However, the real difficulty in discussing who God is understanding God's nature and how God operates or acts.
First, we must understand God is Spirit because the Spirit is the underlying essence or nature of God but because God is or has a personality then God is a soul or has a soul but it a spiritual soul not a human soul.
Also, we must consider that God has a body, and it is a spiritual body.
Why is it that God has a body at all if God is Spirit? It is because of God's oneness that God is or has a spiritual body and we know this by the name Elohim, which is a plural name, yet God is a single personal entity.
Humans have a flesh or physical body, yet it can belong to a body of members called a family.
It is in this since that God is a family of unifies personal relationships that God has a body, but each family member is joined to one Spirit not three.
It is in this sense that Elohim is a plurality of the single personal entity, person or soul that God is.
It is that God is a unified plurality within himself that is God's oneness.
God as a person or soul has a soul (personality) and a spiritual body of personal unified relationships that is joined to one Spirit.
God is Spirit and all of God's operations come out of his Spirit that is joined to his body or body is joined to the Spirit.
God's oneness is reveled in unified relationships and since God is the Father it means that God who is the Father operates through his spiritual body, and we see this as God in a Father and Son relationship and in reality, this is what Christ means which is anointed one. God operates through an anointed body which is a spiritual body.
Now, what is joined to God's spiritual body is who God is and how God operates as one Person in unified personal relationships in himself through the Spirit.
Now, what some have done is to confuse God as a Person with his oneness in personal unified relationships. It is not just God as the Father, but it is God as the Son when we discuss God's oneness.
The problem is that some have separated from God's person the Father from the Son as two distinct God persons, but God considers Father and Son as his oneness in two diversified operations of himself who is Spirit and operates out of his Spirit and personality. Theses diversified operations have distinctions, but it is of the one God.
This is sufficient for now as there is much to consider, and I need more of God's understanding to carry on.
God bless you.
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SeventhDay
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G243 Allos with himself. Please explain.
CrowCross
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Some quick research
Yes, God is a person. But, when we say that God is a “person,” we do not mean that He is a human being. We mean that God possesses “personality” and that He is a rational Being with self-awareness. Theologians often define person as “an individual being with a mind, emotions, and a will.” God definitely has an intellect (Psalm 139:17), emotions (Psalm 78:41), and volition (1 Corinthians 1:1). So, yes, God is a person.
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SeventhDay
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Thanks for your input! It is much appreciated. God bless you.
SeventhDay
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Okay, so with God in regarding his "oneness" there are two distinctions of his one nature that God operates through as the Father and the Son. Is that correct?
God bless you.
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CrowCross
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Gods soul would not be the same as a human soul. It depends on how the word soul is described. If soul means the ability to express emotions then it could be said God has a soul. Typically soul has been described as that immaterial part of human that connects the spirit with the body.(or something like that)
All though, When the Word who was God and with God took on a sinless human nature, the incarnation included a truly human soul.
CrowCross
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The only person of God that currently has a body is the Word who was God and with God...and became flesh and dwelt amongst us.
God the Father and God the Holy Spirit don't have physical bodies like Jesus has.
johnny guitar
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NO distinction of nature. God has ONE nature.Okay, so with God in regarding his "oneness" there are two distinctions of his one nature that God operates through as the Father and the Son. Is that correct?
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The distinction is in PERSONS.
SeventhDay
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Jesus is the first born of creation and has a spiritual body and as a man God was manifest in him.
Now, God who is the Word is God in a Father and Son in unified personal relationship and the two are one and can bot be separated.
God is (a) spirit.
God bless you.
SeventhDay
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It has been made clear that God is one in nature which is Spirit and one in personal unified relationships within himself. It is that simple and easy to understand.
God bless you.
SeventhDay
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Yes, God is an immaterial soul who or which is spirit, and the son of man had the Spirit of God in him as a result of the Word made flesh which was the Son of God who was in the Father eternally and in the son of man.
The Word is God in a Father and Son relationship and was in the son of man (Word made flesh) who rose out of death as a quickening Spirit.
Are we in agreement?
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johnny guitar
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However Father and Son are ALWAYS distinct Persons.Jesus is the first born of creation and has a spiritual body and as a man God was manifest in him.
Now, God who is the Word is God in a Father and Son in unified personal relationship and the two are one and can bot be separated.
God is (a) spirit.
God bless you.
SeventhDay
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The only person is God therefore it is God himself who operates as Father and as the Son which is God's oneness so deal with it! God bless you.
CrowCross
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The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership. ref
Many use that verse to try to show Jesus was not eternal but created which is false because we know Jesus created all things. (Col 1:15-21)
All 3 persons, Father, Son (Word) and Holy Spirit are God. They have a unified personal relationship in being the same nature or essence.Now, God who is the Word is God in a Father and Son in unified personal relationship and the two are one and can bot be separated.
God is (a) spirit.
God bless you.
CrowCross
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That concept begins to fall apart at the baptism of Jesus where Jesus just came up out of the water and God the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus...then God the Father spoke from heaven.The only person is God therefore it is God himself who operates as Father and as the Son which is God's oneness so deal with it! God bless you.
In that instance all 3 of the Godhead showed themselves as separate persons.
SeventhDay
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We appear to be in agreements apart from your assertion that God is three persons. We shall have to work out our disagreement there. It has been a pleasure corresponding with you.
God bless you.
johnny guitar
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Father and Son are TWO Persons.The only person is God therefore it is God himself who operates as Father and as the Son which is God's oneness so deal with it! God bless you.
Deal with it.
johnny guitar
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ONE nature: DIVINE.It has been made clear that God is one in nature which is Spirit and one in personal unified relationships within himself. It is that simple and easy to understand.
God bless you.
SeventhDay
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The truth is that the son of man is a sign pointing to God. The Dove is a sign pointing to Jesus who had the Holy Spirit within him. The Father is the one in a Father and Son relationship and was in the Son and God speaking is a sign pointing to God's oneness. This does not mean that God is three persons, but God is expressed spiritually in two ways within himself and externally in the son of man.
God bless you.