SDAchristian
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Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???
Take your best shot for discussions.
I am looking for your understanding(and awareness) of doctrines, across the spectrum of all churches.
Yours in Christ, Michael
Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???
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Take your best shot for discussions.
I am looking for your understanding(and awareness) of doctrines, across the spectrum of all churches.
Yours in Christ, Michael
SDAchristian
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Neither are unique to Seventh Day Adventism.
This only proves in "Well, someone might say", we are doing apologetics with hand me down opinions, and not actual Truths in the Bible from GOD.
Just like the Jews confused and/or mixed evidence of the First Advent of Jesus with the Second Advent of Jesus. Which the disciples had to learn the hard way in disappointment. Still on going.
Many have confused and/or mixed evidence of the First Death with the Second Death truth from the Bible. Which Christians had to learn the hard way in disappointment. Still on going.
Millerites have confused and/or mixed evidence of the earthy sanctuary with the Heavenly sanctuary truth from the Bible. Which Millerites had to learn the hard way in disappointment. Still on going.
Is there anyone with a single or more unique doctrine(s) of the Seventh Day Adventist Church from among all churches using the Bible ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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PeanutGallery
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Jesus is Michael the Archangel?
SDAchristian
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This doctrine is not unique to Adventists. Or do you prefer go with plagiarism then, like others do ???
Are you interested in evidence from other churches in pre-Adventist times then ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
PeanutGallery
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That suffices; thanks
I'd say the Investigative Judgement with Sanctuary doctrine.....
Pretty much every other "distinctive" doctrine the SDA's have is found in other non-Trinitarian sects such as Mormonism with Father God having a digestive tract and sex organs, the JW's with their Michael christ, the wwcog 7th day with their soul sleeping, etc.
Pretty much every other "distinctive" doctrine the SDA's have is found in other non-Trinitarian sects such as Mormonism with Father God having a digestive tract and sex organs, the JW's with their Michael christ, the wwcog 7th day with their soul sleeping, etc.
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That is the LDS error, not at all Seventh-day Adventist theology. While God the Father, even the Son has "form", etc, that in no way states the position of the LDS. They took the doctrine to an extreme.
As for Sanctuary that is also found in others, who studied, but as for the Investigative Judgment - that does seem to be the true contribution to the Christian world by Seventh-day Adventists.
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Since that is so, and admitted by our enemies, why then are we labelled as a 'cult' by so many? Why are we labelled as 'heterodox' by others who once carried the same doctrines as we do now? It is because each of them only carry a small portion of the truth they once taught and lived by now. In truth, they much more resemble their 'Mother' now than when they did in their infancy, and have given up on many of those which they once carried, and so we picked them up and dusted them off and placed them back in their glorious configuration.
Thank you for this statement Pythons. I hope others can acknowledge at least this much.
SDAchristian
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AV Eph 4:29-30 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Who are you quoting then, with references ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV Dn 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
AV Dn 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy [it] unto the end.
"Investigative Judgement", The scope of believe is different !!! "Investigative" is an adjective. "Judgement" is NOT the question !!!
AV Ro 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?Daniel's Pre-Advent Judgment in its Biblical Context by Norman R Gulley said:
“One with God is a majority” – Martin Luther.
I think Martin Luther is right on this one. We are in the "majority" with GOD. Who believes GOD these days ???
AV Re 14:6-7 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
For these words of this angel to be true, Is this not a pre-advent judgment, before Jesus' second advent ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Was it statement(s) like these, that you concluded to leave the SDA Church then ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
SDA theology affirms that "God" has POTENCY ( as in development ). This indeed is SDA theology, identical to that of Mormonism apart from the sexual organ affirmation. That makes it unique to SDA's.
I wouldn't say "enemies" - one doesn't need to be an enemy to test another religions doctrines and make findings.
I think the reason Adventist doctrines are so similar throughout Adventist systems is simply because they are anti-Trinitarian. Being anti-trinitarian is the connecting tissue here and why when looking at how SDA's, JW's, Christadelphians, etc. talk about "the godhead" they sound like they are all from the same Church. But seriously, past that there are some things I commend the SDA's for getting right.
SDA's are correct to reject the Rapture
SDA's are correct to reject OSAS
SDA's are correct when they state religious authority is taught in Scripture.
There are things the SDA's got right and I'm more than willing to admit that.
Ellen White (1827-1915): “The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. …The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes; they were noble, majestic, and lovely. They bore express image of Jesus… Then my attending angel said to me, ‘None in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat, they would fall’” (EW, pp. 39, 40).
Ellen White (1827-1915): “She then said, ‘The inhabitants [of Saturn] are a tall, majestic people, so unlike the inhabitants of earth. Sin has never entered here’” (From the letter of Mrs. M. C. Truesdail, January 27, 1891).
The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants..were noble, majestic and lovely. ...there countenances beamed with holy joy... Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons, there I saw good old Enoch, who had been translated..."
I was never in the Seventh Day Adventist church. I used to think they are generally regular Christian folk until I had to deal with them on a regular basis and started studying them closer.
I think they could be regular Christian folk if they would ditch Ellen White. She is really the fly in the ointment. I've even seen Doug Batchelor use Luke 5:31 as proof of unfallen life on other planets because Ellen White said they exist.
I was dumbfounded on that one.
At the 47:05 mark.
I hope someone came up to him after that one and said, wow, you are really forcing the greater light to serve the lesser light there, Doug. I think a retraction is in order...
Do you mean specifically the "Seventh-day" Adventist Church or are you speaking of Doctrines unique to Adventist Church's generally? A Jehovah's Witness is as much an Adventist as an SDA is - a JW just isn't a "Seventh day" Adventist.
"Adventists" have several unique or distinctive to them doctrines that are apart from historical Christianity is why I ask.
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Prologue:
AV Dn 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Will the real GOD of the Bible, Please stand up !!! <<< Standing is a sign of judgement in the Bible.
The intent of the question was to rule out any doctrine, held by any another church, but only the SDA church in "uniqueness or distinctiveness".
i.e. "Michael as Jesus' pre-incarnate name" is NOT unique to the SDA church, and has been debated for a long time.
Many churches believe/celebrate "Advent" as first and/or second doctrinally.
So holding EGW as a Messenger of GOD is a unique doctrine of SDA Church. But many are confused as to how to understand or use that, even for some Adventists. "A Jehovah's Witness" would not qualify as matching Adventists on this discussion, on this topic.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Dn 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Will the real GOD of the Bible, Please stand up !!! <<< Standing is a sign of judgement in the Bible.
Thank you for asking this !!! Many judge Adventists as having "unique" doctrines when we have accumulated them from the experiences of other churches, when we understand that doctrine has passed Bible scrutiny.
The intent of the question was to rule out any doctrine, held by any another church, but only the SDA church in "uniqueness or distinctiveness".
i.e. "Michael as Jesus' pre-incarnate name" is NOT unique to the SDA church, and has been debated for a long time.
Many churches believe/celebrate "Advent" as first and/or second doctrinally.
So holding EGW as a Messenger of GOD is a unique doctrine of SDA Church. But many are confused as to how to understand or use that, even for some Adventists. "A Jehovah's Witness" would not qualify as matching Adventists on this discussion, on this topic.
Yours in Christ, Michael
No problem, it's easy enough to get tunnel vision and its not lost on me that my own Church and Doctrines are just as abhorrent (if not more) than the ones you hold to the majority of the visitors in this forum. So, just be aware, I can readily agree to that.
All Christians are "Adventists" in that they look forward to the 2nd Coming of Christ.
The name really stuck on that group of people who didn't have a Church to return to after Miller disbanded....
....These people (who were left) were unified by universal rejection of the Trinity.
....They didn't have a Church to "return to" - so they formed a tribe of sorts.
Soon clicks or cells started to form in this new group and the cells attempted to differentiate themselves....
...They did this by focusing on certain Doctrines that were "distinctive" even among themselves.
....Non-Trinitarians generally reject:
- immortality of the soul
- eternalness of hell
- the current existence of hell
- Foods declared unclean by Jewish ceremonial Law
- Michael the archangel became or was able to earn the Title of Christ
- The Father ONLY is God in the strict sense.
- God (which is ONLY the Father) has a hominid body with flesh and organs.
- Jesus & Lucifer (prior to the Incarnation) also had flesh and functioning organ bodies.
- God is NOT 3 distinct Persons in ONE Being.
- Godhead is like an ancient word for something equivalent to "BOARD" as in "Board of Directors".
SDA's, after the death of Ellen White began to alter their position on the Trinity so that today that position is not what it used to be.
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It IS Seventh-day Adventist theology - perhaps you were unaware of it being a pillar of SDA Faith?
Sabbath Herald, Oct 8,1903
"The doctrine of the Personality of God IS the fundamental doctrine of the Scriptures..."
...""NEITHER was this image of God a mere concept; FOR the Bible declares that the Lord has PARTS, THE SAME AS the human body"."OUR EXISTENCE as a people is FOUNDED on a belief in the truths stated above".
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OF late the question has repeatedly come to me, Does it make any real difference whether we believe in the personality
of God, as long as we believe in God? My answer invariably is, It depends altogether upon the standpoint from which we view it. If from the Spiritualist's, -the Christian Scientist's, the Universalist's, or if from the standpoint of any other " ist" or " ism," it makes but little or no difference. But from the standpoint of Seventh-day Adventists it makes all the difference in the world. Second^ At the creation God said to Christ, " Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. ... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Gen. 1: 26, 27. Man bore the image of God both morally and physically; for -after man sinned, we 'read'that Adam "begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth." Gen. 5:3. Here is an explanation of the words " image " and "- likeness." As Seth bore both the physical and the moral nature of Adam, so Adam bore the physical and the moral likeness of God. Neither was this image of God which man bore a mere concept; for the Bible declares that the Lord has parts, the same as the human body. Therefore we repeat what we previously said, To deny the personality of God, is to deny the existence of the sanctuary in the heavens; for there God dwells. It is to deny the existence of the angels; for they are his throne. It is to deny' the law of God; for it is the foundation of his throne. It is to deny the existence of Satan; for he is a fallen angel
Other articles go into how it's proven that God has nostrils because Scripture describes God as sniffing certain sacrifices. But I would grant that Mormon's teach God has a body of flesh just like a human and they did this prior to Ellen White teaching it. However, Ellen White and the Pioneers did indeed teach Father God, Michael & Lucifer the archangels to have bodies of flesh prior to the Incarnation of Michael the archangel here on earth.