Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

[Formersda]

My first objection: We need to understand a shared reason for Jesus blood. We currently have understanding issues with what is sin.

My first objection is the SDA church doesn’t understand the common purpose for Jesus’s blood.

You may not understand an words bigger than the sabbath Micheal but here goes,

What is meant by propitiation?.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1 John 4:10 In this love, not that we loved God but because He loved us and sent His son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Isaiah 52:10 But the LORD was pleased to crush Him (Christ),putting Him to grief, if He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

Christs death on the cross fulfilled many things which were written in the Law and prophets.

Through His death He made peace between man and God and God and man, He is the mediator.

Want to hear about the golden chain of salvation?
Romans 8:26-32

Our Victory in Christ​

26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?

If by the belief and acceptance of the gospel which is 1 Cor 15:1-4 That Jesus died for sins according to Scriptures, was buried and raised to life according to scriptures. You are saved.

Because it is Him who justifies us, not us He does it.

Colossians 1:17 He (Christ) is before all things, and in him all things hold together. All things Michael means all things, He is upholding all things in my life, my marriage, my family, my work my faith, my children, the air we breath the water we drink, all things means all things. He is holding my faith in Him, He is the One who created saving grace so He is holding it all together. That’s why if your a believer you can never be an unbeliever it’s impossible, because Jesus is holding it together.

Colossians 1:21-23
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Through Jesus blood I am presented holy and blameless and beyond reproach, if I continue in the faith and not not move away from the hope of the gospel (1st Cor 15:1-4) which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven.

Michael,

You can judge me all you like, refer to me as a goat that doesn’t bother me because my salvation is in Christ alone, He is the One who is upholding me. I have put my weak self into His hands and He will never lose me nor forsake me, John 10:27-29 “ My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish, and no one will snatch the, out My hand. My Father, who has given the, to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out His hand.

And finally Michael, EphesIan’s 1:13 In Him (Christ) you also after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having be you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.

And Michael this is why it is important to understand the immortal spirit.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

The Decalogue applies to everyone, regardless of their faith base. GOD has the Omniscience to judge that for the GODhead.

No I’m not interested in the apologetic material, she has something on her grave which is against what God said.
I don’t go to any churches which have an obelisk it is offensive to God.

Blasphemy suggest that is for GOD to judge that for the GODhead, and not anyone else.

You’ve been become defensive over a grave I would suggest that you have proof that your “prophet“ clearly didn’t read the bible otherwise she wouldn’t have allowed that on her grave.

AV Ex 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

"... she wouldn’t have allowed that on her grave.", You hinted that it was her choice to do that, before she died. Then you have proof of that happening, because of her decision ??? I know GOD does know, and I know GOD will judge righteously about it, as well.

"You’ve been become defensive ...", You were judging, and I was concerned, Yes. It was your choice to interject this topic, Right ???

Will it be on my grave absolutely not, it’s forbidden. And I showed you from scripture where it was forbidden.

That is your choice. And GOD will judge that from you.

AV Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

In many ways ...

There are a lot more pagan symbols then "obelisk" in Christianity than anyone thinks. Google it, it's an unique education. And I know, GOD will judge each one in context that person's relationship to GOD.

Where I go to church is not a part of this discussion I would though like to remind you that we are still in a pandemic and going to church is severely restricted here in the UK. Please note for that the funeral yesterday of Prince Philip only 30 people could go, that’s the same for going to church.

AV Ac 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

"Where I go to church is not a part of this discussion ...", But where I go is ???

Will the Holy Spirit of GOD judge these words to your hearts purpose in love ???

AV Mt 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am just saying, it's loving to share both ways.

Besides, part of the framework of discussion at CARM, is based on your faith community's perspective. What forum would you apologetically discuss your faith base in ???

Would EGW get a pass on that because she kept the sabbath?

Why would I judge her sabbath keeping relationship between her and GOD, or any other part of her relationship with GOD ???

Do you want the job, and take away from GOD then ???

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AV Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

The things we do, in the name of GOD !!!

From my experience in the SDA church, it's others, members or not, that judge, that drives others out of the SDA church. That is your purpose, drive out SDA members versus attracting them to another faith community ???

Early on, I asked GOD to help me, to keep my relationship to GOD, personal, so that I did not let anyone's judgment interfere with my relationship with GOD. It has worked so far.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

I am just saying, it's loving to share both ways.

You state that but if I was to reveal it you would be using all sorts of proof texts to condemn yes this is an SDA forum so you going to that church is a factor for the discussion.

Since when Michael have you ever been loving

 

[Formersda]

From my experience in the SDA church, it's others, members or not, that judge, that drives others out of the SDA church. That is your purpose, drive out SDA members versus attracting them to another faith community ???

And here your attitude on this forum has been judgemental, arrogant and I don’t know what your purpose is, if your purpose is to bring others to your truth then you’ve gone about it the wrong way.

At no point have I judged you for going to church on Saturday but you point the finger huff and puff and spout things, call people names etc and your purpose?

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
AV Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

The Decalogue applies to everyone, regardless of their faith base. GOD has the Omniscience to judge that for the GODhead.

Blasphemy suggest that is for GOD to judge that for the GODhead, and not anyone else.

AV Ex 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

"... she wouldn’t have allowed that on her grave.", You hinted that it was her choice to do that, before she died. Then you have proof of that happening, because of her decision ??? I know GOD does know, and I know GOD will judge righteously about it, as well.

"You’ve been become defensive ...", You were judging, and I was concerned, Yes. It was your choice to interject this topic, Right ???

That is your choice. And GOD will judge that from you.

AV Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

In many ways ...

There are a lot more pagan symbols then "obelisk" in Christianity than anyone thinks. Google it, it's an unique education. And I know, GOD will judge each one in context that person's relationship to GOD.

AV Ac 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

"Where I go to church is not a part of this discussion ...", But where I go is ???

Will the Holy Spirit of GOD judge these words to your hearts purpose in love ???

AV Mt 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am just saying, it's loving to share both ways.

Besides, part of the framework of discussion at CARM, is based on your faith community's perspective. What forum would you apologetically discuss your faith base in ???

Why would I judge her sabbath keeping relationship between her and GOD, or any other part of her relationship with GOD ???

Do you want the job, and take away from GOD then ???

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AV Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

The things we do, in the name of GOD !!!

From my experience in the SDA church, it's others, members or not, that judge, that drives others out of the SDA church. That is your purpose, drive out SDA members versus attracting them to another faith community ???

Early on, I asked GOD to help me, to keep my relationship to GOD, personal, so that I did not let anyone's judgment interfere with my relationship with GOD. It has worked so far.

Yours in Christ, Michael

Why would I judge her sabbath keeping relationship between her and GOD, or any other part of her relationship with GOD ??? Because that’s exactly what you are doing here with other members.

 

[Formersda]

book.

"... she wouldn’t have allowed that on her grave.", You hinted that it was her choice to do that, before she died. Then you have proof of that happening, because of her decision ??? I know GOD does know, and I know GOD will judge righteously about it,

It is their plot of land they bought for their remains, who then put it on without her permission? Please note that it’s over James part of the grave so it was something he wanted. EGW should have known the scriptures enough to know it’s offensive to God and removed it.

 

[Formersda]

The things we do, in the name of GOD !!!

Your not doing it in the name of God your doing it in the name of the SDA church, 2 separate entities.

 

[SDAchristian]

Oh wow! How old are you? Typical Adventist talk, can’t reason logically with clear scripture more than one or two verses long and you call me a goat?
Grow up Michael, stop being defensive of Ellen and be defensive of God, cause that’s what we are doing.

AV Mt 25:32-33 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

"be defensive of God", Who's gets to judge this for GOD then ???

This parable is for the church !!!

AV Mt 10:24-28 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, [that] speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, [that] preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So are these scriptures for the church. Who is ready then ???

"Oh wow! How old are you?", So are you referring to age, or emotional maturity here ???

"... you call me a goat?", Did I, I need proof with a Cut-N-Paste of my words ??? I am well within discussion rules to discuss goat behavior, as did Jesus.

AV Ro 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Please double check your feelings to scriptures.

Jesus was murdered because of feelings, not truth, Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Your not doing it in the name of God your doing it in the name of the SDA church, 2 separate entities.

AV Mt 7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Who gets to judge, if that street runs both ways between us ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

AV Mt 7:1-2 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Who gets to judge, if that street runs both ways between us ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Michael,

Grow up, I haven’t judged you for your sabbath, I have judged your attitude and I am not the only one who has pointed this out.

So taking that verse in mind, why are you judging anyone who does not go to the SDA church?

 

[Formersda]

AV Mt 25:32-33 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

"be defensive of God", Who's gets to judge this for GOD then ???

This parable is for the church !!!

AV Mt 10:24-28 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, [that] speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, [that] preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So are these scriptures for the church. Who is ready then ???

"Oh wow! How old are you?", So are you referring to age, or emotional maturity here ???

"... you call me a goat?", Did I, I need proof with a Cut-N-Paste of my words ??? I am well within discussion rules to discuss goat behavior, as did Jesus.

AV Ro 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Please double check your feelings to scriptures.

Jesus was murdered because of feelings, not truth, Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Michael,

You can try and double track on your words but you referred to me as a goat, that’s childish. Who are you to judge? Are you ready to be separated by Jesus?



AV Ro 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That verse refers to everyone on this page not just to you.

You condemn anyone and judge anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

 

[Formersda]

This may come as a surprise to some people in the SDA church, the JW’s, Mormons and any other church which think they are the “true church”.

Just because you go to a certain church does not give automatic salvation.
God does not recognise denominations He recognises individuals who are believers. There is only one body of Christ not many, the branches are us individuals not churches.

Unless you have accepted that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again and that by doing so your internal spirit is brought to life through Him, you cannot have eternal life.

There is nothing I can do to get this gift, Paul kept the Sabbath but it didn’t save him, it was Christ who saved him. The Pharisees kept the Sabbath but it didn’t save them. They thought more of the Sabbath than they did about the Lord of the Sabbath which is Christ Jesus who they crucified and then wanted the bodies brought down so it wouldn’t profane the sabbath.

Please note John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiphas into the Praetorium and it was early, and they did not enter themselves so they would not be defiled but might eat the Passover. They were too interested in themselves and what and what not to do they couldn’t see their saviour. That’s what’s is like in the SDA church your so fixated with what and what not to do you cannot see your Saviour.

Keeping the Sabbath or not eating unclean foods will not save you, only Jesus can.

 

[Formersda]

Do you want to see how damaging a system like the SDA church is which forces works for salvation? Who follow the teachings of a “prophet”?

Adventist sect parents jailed for manslaughter

Two Seventh-Day Adventists whose six-month-old son died after they refused him medical treatment were both given five-year jail sentences for manslaughter by a court in New Zealand yesterday.

www.theguardian.com

This SDA couple refused their child conventional medication because it was from Satan, EGW goes on about not going to doctors and using herbs to cure. This had a direct result on the death of this child. It was this couples religion and how they interpreted it that caused the death of this child. When your in the SDA church there are so many individuals who give their advice but imply that it’s to do with salivation.

Parents jailed for manslaughter of baby who had rickets

Couple's five-month-old son died after their Seventh Day Adventist beliefs prevented them from seeking medical care

www.theguardian.com

This couple where strict SDA’s, became vegan because they were taught in the church. Due to their strict veganism their 5 month old baby died from rickets.

It is shameful that both these sets of parents placed their religion above their children. Nowhere does it say you need to be. vegan to be saved, but there are hundreds of SDA’s who believe they need to be because their church advocates it.

https://apnews.com/article/31bdb027e817eaad6d97c46af3ccfb43

This couple too scared to use the tithes they had saved to buy food killed their child. What type of God does that teach the child that God wants His money over buying food?

And shamefully the administration of the SDA church try to make out that their hands are clean, it is their responsibility to ensure accuracy and truth but sadly they are lacking.

The warnings are very clear in Scripture to stay away from anything like this.
1st Tim 4 1-5

Apostasy​

4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:1-10

Principles of Conscience​

14 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

What is religion in God’s eyes? James 1:27
27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

That is religion not man made made up traditions.

 

[Formersda]

Going on from that you know what else it causes regarding food?

Eating disorders and guilt surrounding food.

Personally I have been made to feel guilty because I am neither a vegan or a vegetarian, the pressure I had on me when I had my children to bring them up vegan was immense.
I know of one family presently who think being vegan is a pre heaven diet and all their children have rickets. This extremely harmful to the health of these children.

I refused to bring my children up vegetarian because as I am busy trying to work and maintain a home they would have ended up eating the SDA approved garbage. The “health” food factories that pour out garbage full of fats, carbohydrates and sugars. But the members buy this because it’s church owned. It’s extremely unhealthy, there are large amounts of members who have type 2 diabetes (this is brought on by diet), have high blood pressure (due to the amount of salt in the products) and obesity.

Unfermented soya has an adverse affect on the body, that is the basis of mostly all the food the SDA’s eat, it’s carcinogenic my father died from bowel cancer 9 years after becoming and SDA, he had never had problems with his bowels until he went to Newbold College (SDA seminary) and was forced to eat that garbage, btw there is no bowel cancer in my fathers family line.

Another problem regarding the SDA church is the off shoots.
In 1989 I was 17 and my mother took me to meetings at Newbold College, held by David Koresh, you know from the branch Davidians. My mother was fully convinced and was trying to get me to go, the meetings would go on for over 6 hours, to be honest I would agree to anything to stop that meeting. Thankfully my eldest brother got engaged and it turned my mothers attention away. But I personally know one of the families that died at Waco.

There are plenty more off shoots from the SDA church, this problem arises when you have a church which thinks they are more special then others, who proclaim that the only way to heaven is through them. That their prophet has been given a “new revelation“. All the “prophets” claim that which have arisen since the church in the apostles time.

No Michael there is nothing special about he SDA church.

 

[pythons]

Do you want to see how damaging a system like the SDA church is which forces works for salvation? Who follow the teachings of a “prophet”?

Adventist sect parents jailed for manslaughter

Two Seventh-Day Adventists whose six-month-old son died after they refused him medical treatment were both given five-year jail sentences for manslaughter by a court in New Zealand yesterday.

www.theguardian.com

This SDA couple refused their child conventional medication because it was from Satan, EGW goes on about not going to doctors and using herbs to cure. This had a direct result on the death of this child. It was this couples religion and how they interpreted it that caused the death of this child. When your in the SDA church there are so many individuals who give their advice but imply that it’s to do with salivation.

Parents jailed for manslaughter of baby who had rickets

Couple's five-month-old son died after their Seventh Day Adventist beliefs prevented them from seeking medical care

www.theguardian.com

This couple where strict SDA’s, became vegan because they were taught in the church. Due to their strict veganism their 5 month old baby died from rickets.

It is shameful that both these sets of parents placed their religion above their children. Nowhere does it say you need to be. vegan to be saved, but there are hundreds of SDA’s who believe they need to be because their church advocates it.

https://apnews.com/article/31bdb027e817eaad6d97c46af3ccfb43

This couple too scared to use the tithes they had saved to buy food killed their child. What type of God does that teach the child that God wants His money over buying food?

And shamefully the administration of the SDA church try to make out that their hands are clean, it is their responsibility to ensure accuracy and truth but sadly they are lacking.

The warnings are very clear in Scripture to stay away from anything like this.
1st Tim 4 1-5

Apostasy​

4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:1-10

Principles of Conscience​

14 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

What is religion in God’s eyes? James 1:27
27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

That is religion not man made made up traditions.

Both of these articles appear to be describing "traditional SDA's" - a harkening back to the SDA Pioneers...
....That style of SDA'ism is strictly a cult - they make the average SDA look like an Evangelical Christian.

 

[Formersda]

Both of these articles appear to be describing "traditional SDA's" - a harkening back to the SDA Pioneers...
....That style of SDA'ism is strictly a cult - they make the average SDA look like an Evangelical Christian.

Absolutely but the issue is the average SDA does get sucked into that very traditional stuff by the very fact they think they have special status

 

[pythons]

I would say another distinctive doctrine of the SDA is that the "CEREMONIAL COMMANDMENTS" in the Old Testament are "MORAL". Here is how Judaism describes it's Kosher laws (laws pertaining to food).


"There is no logical reason why we keep Kosher. Kosher food is not necessarily healthier than non-Kosher. The great sage Nachmanadies points out that poisonous plants are Kosher. This Mitvzah is considered a Chok - A command that is beyond our comprehension. G‑d gave us many such commandments so that we learn to accept a higher authority and appreciate the limits of our own comprehension

Even so, we can always learn lessons from the specifics of each mitzvah. The qualities of a Kosher fish, fins and scales, teach us a powerful lesson. As the armor that protects the body of the fish, scales represent the quality of integrity, which protects us from the many pitfalls that life presents. Fins, the wing-like organs that propel fish forward, represent ambition, a healthy sense of ambition, knowing one's strengths and wanting to utilize them in full. These two qualities are essential to survive and be successful in the raging waters of life."

So, just like every Scholar (not anti-Trinitarian) has determined - CEREMONIAL LAWS are laws that one can't know from the natural order or nature - these would be things ALIEN TO MANKIND that mankind would have to receive supernatural instruction on prior to following.

 

[SDAchristian]

Goats are not sentient animals, AND, ONCE AGAIN, (sigh) you are insulting Christians who do not agree with you by calling them stupid names.

AV Mt 25:32-33 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

In Jesus' parable, the goats talk too, are you going to be equally condemning of Jesus' usage as well ???

AV Mt 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And I thought you were of the "life eternal" group per your own judgment, do you have doubts now ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[John t]

AV Ro 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That verse refers to everyone on this page not just to you.

You condemn anyone and judge anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

On two accounts, you nailed it there!

I also believe that there is a haughty spirit of pride at the base of those insults. Thus, he can Lord it over others who do not pay attention to Ellen

 

[John t]

In Jesus' parable, the goats talk too, are you going to be equally condemning of Jesus' usage as well ???

YOU, Michael are the only one here who continually condemns other posters