Gee! I want to become a SDA so that I can learn how to constantly insult other posters with whom I disagree.
Is that sort of CRAP something they teach you in Sabbath School?
Is that how "sister ellen" taught you all to handle disagreements?
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Gee! I want to become a SDA so that I can learn how to constantly insult other posters with whom I disagree.
Is that sort of CRAP something they teach you in Sabbath School?
Is that how "sister ellen" taught you all to handle disagreements?
No John,Gee! I want to become a SDA so that I can learn how to constantly insult other posters with whom I disagree.
Is that sort of CRAP something they teach you in Sabbath School?
Is that how "sister ellen" taught you all to handle disagreements?
What it is is a ploy to make you an unbeliever because they are from the Synagogue of Satan that’s the plan to turn others away from Jesus. It’s satanic
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Prologue:
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
AV Ro 5:8-11 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
As long as we on the topic, "Keeping the Sabbath ... will not save you" either. Until we understand the science(spiritual cause to effect) of salvation properly. It condemns you, if you break sabbath, until confessed to Jesus, with repentance, because "only Jesus{' blood} can" save. {parenthetical insertion by SDAchristian}
The irony is, many have and will condemn with sin, per the commandments of men, others for not keeping Sunday.
AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean{G169 akathartos} person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
So who wants to bet their salvation that Paul was wrong ???
But let us talk about Jesus' blood.
Was Jesus' blood any of these, "impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd) or specially, (demonic))" ???
AV Ac 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean{G169 akathartos} hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Given Peter's objection to GOD after being with Jesus, Do we KNOW, why Peter was shown this vision ??? <<< I do, but let us discuss this too.
With all the likes, we should have a well thought out discussion.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
AV Ro 5:8-11 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
"not eating unclean foods will not save you", You are right !!! They condemn you, if you do, until confessed to Jesus, with repentance, because "only Jesus{' blood} can" save. {parenthetical insertion by SDAchristian}
As long as we on the topic, "Keeping the Sabbath ... will not save you" either. Until we understand the science(spiritual cause to effect) of salvation properly. It condemns you, if you break sabbath, until confessed to Jesus, with repentance, because "only Jesus{' blood} can" save. {parenthetical insertion by SDAchristian}
The irony is, many have and will condemn with sin, per the commandments of men, others for not keeping Sunday.
AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean{G169 akathartos} person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
These sins, that are not confessed to Jesus, that will get people blotted out by Jesus, per Paul's description of sins.Strong's G169 said:
So who wants to bet their salvation that Paul was wrong ???
But let us talk about Jesus' blood.
Was Jesus' blood any of these, "impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd) or specially, (demonic))" ???
AV Ac 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean{G169 akathartos} hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Given Peter's objection to GOD after being with Jesus, Do we KNOW, why Peter was shown this vision ??? <<< I do, but let us discuss this too.
With all the likes, we should have a well thought out discussion.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Prologue:
AV Ga 6:7-10 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
I know, you know how to Click the Report link. For appeal purposes, because sometimes it is really not about discussion.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Ga 6:7-10 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
So does this reveals your thinking in speculation ???
So does this reveals your thinking in speculation ???
AV Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.Gee! I want to become a SDA so that I can learn how to constantly insult other posters with whom I disagree.
I know, you know how to Click the Report link. For appeal purposes, because sometimes it is really not about discussion.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
It would be interesting for you to post some direct evidence to support your own words ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
AV Mt 10:24-26 The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
It would be interesting for you to post some direct evidence to support your own words ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
Yet another load of proof texts and using SDA versions of the meanings to things, not unbiased at all?
Mark 7:14-23
The Heart of Man
14 After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15 there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16 [If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”]17 When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”(Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride andfoolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
Did Jesus lie Michael? Did Jesus say food would condemn you?
Lets get the context of that vision Peter had.
Acts 11:1-18
Peter Reports at Jerusalem
11 Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those who were circumcised took issue with him, 3 saying, “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.” 4 But Peter began speaking and proceeded to explain to them in orderly sequence, saying, 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me, 6 and when I had fixed my gaze on it and was observing it I saw the four-footed animals of the earth and the wild beasts and the crawling creatures and the birds of the air. 7 I also heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But a voice from heaven answered a second time, ‘What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.’ 10 This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into the sky. 11 And behold, at that moment three men appeared at the house in which we were staying, having been sent to me from Caesarea. 12 The Spirit told me to go with them without misgivings. These six brethren also went with me and we entered the man’s house. 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house, and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and have Simon, who is also called Peter, brought here; 14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”Did the voice from heaven lie?
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Prologue:
AV 2Pt 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
That is the thing about visions, they should interpreted by that person.
So did Peter lie about the interpretation ??? Or did someone project their understanding(eisegesis) into the scriptures ???
I already knew someone would go here. I warned us here at CARM, and you did it anyway. The same thing will happen with the Sunday Law Death Decree.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV 2Pt 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
AV Ac 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
That is the thing about visions, they should interpreted by that person.
So did Peter lie about the interpretation ??? Or did someone project their understanding(eisegesis) into the scriptures ???
I already knew someone would go here. I warned us here at CARM, and you did it anyway. The same thing will happen with the Sunday Law Death Decree.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Prologue:
AV 2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Who gets to decide what is "all good works" ???
GOD's free will gift to created man, also includes the right of satan to present lies, to GOD's Truths. This is part of the Gospel too.
It seems to me, any quoted scripture text is, in one way or another is, "proof texts".
So we must use some discernment to determine exegesis vs eisegesis usage of those scripture texts.
AV Mt 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
You have already proved to me, that Bible symbols are essentially literal constructs. Many miss GOD's point of using symbols in visions given to prophets.
AV Ac 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Maybe we can have a more scriptural spiritual discussion now ???
AV Ac 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
"Did the voice from heaven lie?", Your own conclusion/interpretation to Peter's own partial testimony, is that Peter is wrong in your interpreting vision symbols, Right ???
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Jesus will check everyone's understanding, when it does not reflect GOD's Truth.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV 2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Who gets to decide what is "all good works" ???
GOD's free will gift to created man, also includes the right of satan to present lies, to GOD's Truths. This is part of the Gospel too.
AV Isa 28:5-13 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people, 6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate. 7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble [in] judgment. 8 For all tables are full of vomit [and] filthiness, [so that there is] no place [clean]. 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? [them that are] weaned from the milk, [and] drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
It seems to me, any quoted scripture text is, in one way or another is, "proof texts".
So we must use some discernment to determine exegesis vs eisegesis usage of those scripture texts.
AV Mt 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
You have already proved to me, that Bible symbols are essentially literal constructs. Many miss GOD's point of using symbols in visions given to prophets.
AV Ac 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Maybe we can have a more scriptural spiritual discussion now ???
Eisegesis is what you read into the passage about a vision of symbols.
AV Ac 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
"Did the voice from heaven lie?", Your own conclusion/interpretation to Peter's own partial testimony, is that Peter is wrong in your interpreting vision symbols, Right ???
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Jesus will check everyone's understanding, when it does not reflect GOD's Truth.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Prologue:
AV Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
When someone only considers some of GOD's words, outside of "every word", then errors in judgment are made.
AV Ac 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
If Peter did understand Jesus the way you do, why did Peter give this objection to GOD Himself ???
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
"Did Jesus lie Michael? Did Jesus say food would condemn you?", Your interpretation and eisegesis is obvious to me.
Again, I know where you are going for an objection. I have dealt with them before, with/from others.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
When someone only considers some of GOD's words, outside of "every word", then errors in judgment are made.
What came out of the heart in this instance, is it's Okay to eat unclean food, and it's that will condemn them. GOD gave only certain items as food to man.
AV Ac 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
If Peter did understand Jesus the way you do, why did Peter give this objection to GOD Himself ???
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
"Did Jesus lie Michael? Did Jesus say food would condemn you?", Your interpretation and eisegesis is obvious to me.
Again, I know where you are going for an objection. I have dealt with them before, with/from others.
Yours in Christ, Michael
You read into scripture what isn’t there. And by now claiming using full texts of scriptures is another way of proof texts shows me that it’s upset you, your rattled.
I am showing that your church interprets the scriptures wrong by using proof texts, you can’t work any other way.
So carry on the word of God is easy to read and understand, the word speaks for itself.
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1st Corinthians 11:23-34
The Lord’s Supper
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
33 So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come to
When someone only considers some of GOD's words, outside of "every word", then errors in judgment are made. You never do that at all do you Michael???
AV Ac 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Maybe we can have a more scriptural spiritual discussion now ??? Nope don’t need to the word of God is clear enough.
Who gets to decide what is "all good works" ??? God, Ephesians 2:8,9,10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves but a gift from God. Not as a result of works so that no man can boast. For we are His workmanship, created for good works, which God prepared beforehand so we could walk in them.
Just letting the plain reading of scripture do it work,
It seems to me, any quoted scripture text is, in one way or another is, "proof texts". Boo how Micheal, nope what it does it shows your lies.
So we must use some discernment to determine exegesis vs eisegesis usage of those scripture texts. Nope again plain reading of scripture is enough.
If Peter did understand Jesus the way you do, why did Peter give this objection to GOD Himself ??? This was before that vision was explained to him, ever heard of progressive theology in the New Testament? You don’t think Peter needed to reminded?
Keep up your proof texts and condescending, critical, judgemental talk Michael its helping me show the truth of the SDA church.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!
Please PM me if you do not know how to place a poster on ignore. It is easy.
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AV Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
AV Mt 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
AV Mt 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Which one will get Jesus the most upset ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV Isa 66:16-17 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Is GOD a hypocrite to GOD's Own Words ???
AV Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
Do we realize, GOD said this first, before Jesus sharing some thoughts on this.
The Gospel/Salvation is only as good as GOD's Word, Right ???
AV Jer 17:9-10 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, [ I] try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.
GOD is not FOOLED by what is done versus what is in the heart.
Can you prove Jesus ate unclean items, per your understanding ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Isa 66:16-17 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Is GOD a hypocrite to GOD's Own Words ???
AV Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
Do we realize, GOD said this first, before Jesus sharing some thoughts on this.
The Gospel/Salvation is only as good as GOD's Word, Right ???
AV Jer 17:9-10 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, [ I] try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.
GOD is not FOOLED by what is done versus what is in the heart.
AV Ac 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Can you prove Jesus ate unclean items, per your understanding ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Jesus was a Jew born under the Law and that would have included the food laws.
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Galatians 4:4 NASB
Those food laws didn't apply to Gentiles before or even after they became Christians.
But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter.
After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith.
Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
The whole assembly fell silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul describing the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. When they had finished speaking, James declared, “Brothers, listen to me! Simon has told us how God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people to be His own. The words of the prophets agree with this, as it is written:
‘After this I will return and rebuild
the fallen tent of David.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
so that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
says the Lord who does these things
that have been known for ages.’
It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. 21For Moses has been proclaimed in every city from ancient times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
Acts 15:5-21 NASB
and perhaps Adventists should pay a little more attention to 1 Timothy.
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.
They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Timothy 4:1-5 NASB
Common tater,
Like I say they those who think they are Jews but are not, they are from the synagogue of Satan.
Its typical cult behaviour to use proof texts to try and win their argument or to be offensive.
Michael is rattled he can ask as many questions and try and twist things but clear reading of the scriptures in its context is enough.
It’s the word of God and must be used respectfully.
SDA’ need to get used to it because God will speak more than one line when we meet Him.
Its typical of biased “churches”, can’t read scripture they need a “prophet“ who God gave a “special message to” and no one else, like God is like that? Like God has been like that always?
Loved your scriptures on the bringing of the gentiles in, it shows how inclusive God actually is.
Matthew 12:5
Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, “This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” But others were saying, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?” And there was a division among them.
Above are the words of the Pharisees, both ancient, and modern
Below are the words of the Apostle Paul:
Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
Therefore the "religion of Ellenism" is that of slavish and condemning adherence to the laws of the priests, who forever condemn others, and are themselves with neither mercy nor grace. As such, it is the message from the sulfurous pit of hell
Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, “This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” But others were saying, “How can a man who is a sinner perform such signs?” And there was a division among them.
Above are the words of the Pharisees, both ancient, and modern
Below are the words of the Apostle Paul:
Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
Therefore the "religion of Ellenism" is that of slavish and condemning adherence to the laws of the priests, who forever condemn others, and are themselves with neither mercy nor grace. As such, it is the message from the sulfurous pit of hell
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Understanding types to anti-types in Christ is VERY important to understanding, where Paul is coming from.
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Paul also makes clear that "damnation" awaits for those who fail at the spiritual implications of it.
This warning is by Paul !!!
Yours in Christ, Michael
Seeing that @John t knows how to put people on ignore. I am not clueless, so this rebuttal for everyone else.
AV Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Understanding types to anti-types in Christ is VERY important to understanding, where Paul is coming from.
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Paul also makes clear that "damnation" awaits for those who fail at the spiritual implications of it.
This warning is by Paul !!!
Yours in Christ, Michael
No Micheal, just another bunch of proof texts 🥱
SDAchristian
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So says you, in your opinion.
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Your response, in my opinion, seem like 'idle word's. The real judge, is whether Jesus thinks so ...
Yours in Christ, Michael
It’s your opinion and your entitled to it on CARN