Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

Common Tater

Active member
Another load of proof texts Michael no one can understand what you say by using a load of proof texts.
you cannot discuss with you whilst you use non connecting verses to “prove“ something anyone can do that
Prologue: I will break up this post in several replies. So please be patience, as I response.

AV Hb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

We are NOT discussing judgment after death, but judgement of the living before Jesus' second advent.

AV Jn 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

AV Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity{G458 anomia}.

Does unrepented "work iniquity{G458 anomia}" affect a living person's eternal life per Jesus, and Jesus' decision of eternal life for them ???

"the judgement of whether those who profess to be followers of Christ deserve eternal life based upon their works, is unique to Adventism.", Is NOT UNIQUE to Jesus' judgement !!! Therefore it is NOT UNIQUE to Christians, to Jesus' followers who understand.

May the understanding of all Christians, do not make Jesus a liar, by their understanding of the phases of judgements by GOD !!!

Yours in Christ, Michael
What do you mean not discussing? You asked for doctrines unique to Adventism. The Investigative Judgement supposedly started with those who had died and after they were judged, it would move to the living.

"In 1844 our great High Priest entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to begin the work of the investigative judgment. The cases of the righteous dead have been passing in review before God. When that work shall be completed, judgment is to be pronounced upon the living." Ellen G White, Selected Messages 1:125

So now that we've addressed your first dodge, could I get an answer to my post? In case you aren't clear on that, here's the relevant part of the post:

EGW taught that Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. She also taught that Enoch and Elijah were translated and taken to heaven. She also taught that Jesus could have failed in his mission.

"Now, if the books were never opened until October 22, 1844, what would have happened if Moses, Enoch, or Elijah were judged to have come up short? And if Christ were to have failed, how could they remain in heaven if it is Christ's righteousness that makes salvation possible? It seems to be that Moses, Enoch, and Elijah would have had to live sinless lives in order to remain in heaven, should Christ have failed. That, or Christ's death on the cross was actually unnecessary for salvation. Please explain."
 

Buzzard

Active member
AV Jn 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Michael;
That promise is for a specific group of Men and ; yes even the Ladies

do you know absolutely nothing about the events to transpire in that last day generation
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Another load of proof texts Michael no one can understand what you say by using a load of proof texts.
you cannot discuss with you whilst you use non connecting verses to “prove“ something anyone can do that
I hope you enjoy stating your opinion, until GOD reveals the whole Truth about all this.

GOD's free will choice allows you to listen to the lies of GOD's enemies. It is your choice to choose what and who to believe.

AV 1Ki 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; [but] the LORD [was] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

You have enough of the Holy Spirit to exercise discernment to the "still small voice".

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Michael;
That promise is for a specific group of Men and ; yes even the Ladies
do you know absolutely nothing about the events to transpire in that last day generation
When prophecy becomes fulfilled, GOD wants you to change your mind.

AV Col 2:2-3 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Only GOD's elect enjoy assurance in GOD's Prophetic Words before fulfillment.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
EGW taught that Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. She also taught that Enoch and Elijah were translated and taken to heaven. She also taught that Jesus could have failed in his mission.
You have evidence to challenge these statements with Truth from where ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Buzzard

Active member
You have evidence to challenge these statements with Truth from where ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
Yes; as Paul says
"prove all things"
it is up too you the SDA that has to prove it from Scripture
until then we are to reject any such thing;

Proof Michael; as Paul says
not the words of some know nuttin McNuttly of the SDA church
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
"Now, if the books were never opened until October 22, 1844, what would have happened if Moses, Enoch, or Elijah were judged to have come up short? And if Christ were to have failed, how could they remain in heaven if it is Christ's righteousness that makes salvation possible? It seems to be that Moses, Enoch, and Elijah would have had to live sinless lives in order to remain in heaven, should Christ have failed. That, or Christ's death on the cross was actually unnecessary for salvation. Please explain."
You have some misconceptions in handling your objections spiritually.

About the date, is the earliest The Father could have made the decision for the end.
EW 38.1 said:
I saw four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and were on their way to accomplish it. Jesus was clothed with priestly garments. He gazed in pity on the remnant, then raised His hands, and with a voice of deep pity cried, “My blood, Father, My blood, My blood, My blood!” Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from God, who sat upon the great white throne, and was shed all about Jesus. Then I saw an angel with a commission from Jesus, swiftly flying to the four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and waving something up and down in his hand, and crying with a loud voice, “Hold! Hold! Hold! Hold! until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads.”
This is for Adventists from Jesus.

"And if Christ were to have failed, how could they remain in heaven if it is Christ's righteousness that makes salvation possible?", Is it a fact to discuss ??? Do you understand the differences of probability versus possibility ???

"It seems to be that Moses, Enoch, and Elijah would have had to live sinless lives in order to remain in heaven, should Christ have failed.", Nope, They were there on a promise of Jesus' success to finish remission of sins.

"That, or Christ's death on the cross was actually unnecessary for salvation.", You are wrong, and you know that already.

From my point of view, your ideas are from a failed Adventist point of view. No one is responsible, except for your own choices in that failure.

"Please explain.", If you need more ask more detailed questions.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

e v e

Super Member
Prologue: I will break up this post in several replies. So please be patience, as I response.

AV Hb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

We are NOT discussing judgment after death, but judgement of the living before Jesus' second advent.

AV Jn 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

AV Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity{G458 anomia}.

Does unrepented "work iniquity{G458 anomia}" affect a living person's eternal life per Jesus, and Jesus' decision of eternal life for them ???

"the judgement of whether those who profess to be followers of Christ deserve eternal life based upon their works, is unique to Adventism.", Is NOT UNIQUE to Jesus' judgement !!! Therefore it is NOT UNIQUE to Christians, to Jesus' followers who understand.

May the understanding of all Christians, do not make Jesus a liar, by their understanding of the phases of judgements by GOD !!!

Yours in Christ, Michael

the first group is the 144k who
meet Christ when He returns upon the clouds :

(see Paul about the Change from the temporal to imperishable being - without
physical death….!
His souls receive our resurrection body…

a second group left behind, are
believers not part of the 144k
who undergo judgment = tribulation

Christ returns with the
the 144,000 sons and daughters
…who witness to the tired souls
and they will massively choose for God…

the judgment is tribulation and death
suffered by the left behind.

this body is irrelevant
its Flesh

there is no further judgment for His souls….
jacob also finally receives
his imperishable being…
and all His go Home
and the sons rule with Christ .
 

e v e

Super Member
EW 38.1 said:
I saw four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and were on their way to accomplish it. Jesus was clothed with priestly garments. He gazed in pity on the remnant, then raised His hands, and with a voice of deep pity cried, “My blood, Father, My blood, My blood, My blood!” Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from God, who sat upon the great white throne, and was shed all about Jesus. Then I saw an angel with a commission from Jesus, swiftly flying to the four angels who had a work to do on the earth, and waving something up and down in his hand, and crying with a loud voice, “Hold! Hold! Hold! Hold! until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads.”
christ would never look at His remnant with pity.

His remnant is the 144000 gorgeous restored sons and daughters!!


she met the imposter…

its not your fault. but that’s not christ —
not His signature.
 
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e v e

Super Member
Those defending Ellen gloss over her significant medical issues, all caused from being hit on the head by a rock. I believe she was 9.

From that, she was in a coma for several weeks before she woke. Such an injury would be called today TBI, Traumatic Brain Injury. She never recovered from the aftermath. Do a web search on the results of TBI on the frontal lobe, and you will see I am not making this stuff up; iit is very tragic.

Her physician diagnosed her as having catalepsy, which is a form of schizophrenia. Each of her "visions " came as she was in a state of a cataleptic episode, and uniformly, they conform to the sorts of visions that TBI cataleptic patients have.

Thus her medical condition does lend credence to demonic influence. but that does not excuse her followers today, and Millerites from making an idol of her.


It is called a lack of discernment, but it goes much further. As can be seen in the postings of the Millerites here, there is a total spiritual blindness in those "Acolytes of Ellen". That goes hand-in-hand with the many ad hominems which some gleefully throw as if they were scrapings from the barn floor.

What I am saying is that somehow there is a spiritual transference of the TBI of Ellen to her present-day followers, and that is one reason they post as they do.

not saying female is less or cannot witness
but…
male is the covering and protection
of female for a reason…

she somehow fell prey to entities…
and had no covering
and protection to discern this.
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
christ would never look at His remnant with pity. His remnant is the 144000 gorgeous restored sons and daughters.
she met the imposter.
its not your fault. but that’s not christ in the scene described.
AV Jl 2:18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity{H2550 chamal, KJV: have compassion, (have) pity, spare} his people.

Please consider all points of evidence.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

e v e

Super Member
The cases of the righteous dead have been passing in review before God...." egw
there are no cases of the righteous going to judgment.

they go to their Change…(see paul)

and are righteous already
because restored to Him already.

nothing left to judge.
 

e v e

Super Member
AV Jl 2:18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity{H2550 chamal, KJV: have compassion, (have) pity, spare} his people.

Please consider all points of evidence.

Yours in Christ, Michael

thank you for the reply, michael

but
the quoted from joel refers to the left behind jacob

the context of that quote, is, referring to rev time, tribulation, After the Change…..
when He will send His 144000 to jacob…


the tribulation is the judgment.
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue: I will break up this post in several replies. So please be patience, as I response.
So now that we've addressed your first dodge, could I get an answer to my post? In case you aren't clear on that, here's the relevant part of the post:
AV 2Pt 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

48 minutes of patient("able to accept or tolerate delays, problems, or suffering without becoming annoyed or anxious.").

I can read, and I anticipated your objection, before you made it.

I am very sure GOD knows you better than I do. What do you think about what GOD's thinks about your patience, in this case ???

How patient will be Sunday keepers will be, between the Sunday Law and the Sunday Law Death decree as a penalty ???

AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

What is your opinion for eternal life for those who kill "saints and prophets" in the time of the end ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

e v e

Super Member
the real issue is to die to this body and this life

and as the apostles and prophets leave it all behind

and follow Him….

Where do you think the Hebrew annotation came from ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
arent you always quoting kjv translations?
 

e v e

Super Member
because the left behind jacob
will not die to this world

and believes in it..
and lives for its needs and wants
 
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