Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

John t

Super Member
not saying female is less or cannot witness
but…
male is the covering and protection
of female for a reason…

How is this germane to what I posted? It is a summary of what happened to her, and easily verified.

Another girl threw that rock at her, she was in a coma for several days (if not longer) and that had lifelong medical and psychiatric consequences
 

e v e

Super Member
How is this germane to what I posted? It is a summary of what happened to her, and easily verified.

Another girl threw that rock at her, she was in a coma for several days (if not longer) and that had lifelong medical and psychiatric consequences
but the entities she saw have to be demonic which was my original reply to the OP. It’s the spiritual part that seems most serious.

and her being susceptible to entities as a female makes sense.

i saw what you wrote about what happened to her but I am having trouble connecting that to the satanic beings she encountered.
 

Common Tater

Active member
You have some misconceptions in handling your objections spiritually.

About the date, is the earliest The Father could have made the decision for the end.

This is for Adventists from Jesus.

"And if Christ were to have failed, how could they remain in heaven if it is Christ's righteousness that makes salvation possible?", Is it a fact to discuss ??? Do you understand the differences of probability versus possibility ???

"It seems to be that Moses, Enoch, and Elijah would have had to live sinless lives in order to remain in heaven, should Christ have failed.", Nope, They were there on a promise of Jesus' success to finish remission of sins.

"That, or Christ's death on the cross was actually unnecessary for salvation.", You are wrong, and you know that already.

From my point of view, your ideas are from a failed Adventist point of view. No one is responsible, except for your own choices in that failure.

"Please explain.", If you need more ask more detailed questions.

Yours in Christ, Michael
Let's start with an easy one. Do Adventists believe that Christ could have failed in his mission?
 

Common Tater

Active member
AV 2Pt 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

48 minutes of patient("able to accept or tolerate delays, problems, or suffering without becoming annoyed or anxious.").

I can read, and I anticipated your objection, before you made it.

I am very sure GOD knows you better than I do. What do you think about what GOD's thinks about your patience, in this case ???

How patient will be Sunday keepers will be, between the Sunday Law and the Sunday Law Death decree as a penalty ???

AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

What is your opinion for eternal life for those who kill "saints and prophets" in the time of the end ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
Please show the Sunday Law Death Decree from Scripture.

In the last 200 days, Islamic jihadists have killed almost 3500 Christians in Nigeria. But these people don't count because they were killed for who they worshiped, not when.

Like so many Adventists, you've made a day your idol.
 

Victor

Active member
How patient will be Sunday keepers will be, between the Sunday Law and the Sunday Law Death decree as a penalty ???
There it is again - the term "Sunday keepers" relies on Catholic theology, and it is your responsibility to support Roman Catholicism's validity in the light of Scripture. You can start with Trent, and then support their unbiblical notions.

There is no "Sunday Law Death decree". There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy. On top of that, you made your own prediction on October 5, 2012:
I will ask the same question during the Sunday Death Decree.

But you are so far removed in the minority of this spiritual philosophy, you should consider carefully which side to join.

BTW, you have only months left to decided. GOD has dropped hints for a long time now.
Your prediction is a failure. Ellen White's prediction relies on a covenant made with people that don't exist (and never will).
And yet after years of failure you still grovel to this fairy tale that demands calling God a liar.
 

John t

Super Member
i saw what you wrote about what happened to her but I am having trouble connecting that to the satanic beings she encountered.

It is more of an "door left opened" than causal. One does not beget the other, but any TBI incident raises the susceptibility to other mental injuries. If you do a websearch on "Traumatic Brain Injuries" you can see what is in the literature.
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The theocracy "of the beast" proceeds the Sunday Law and Sunday Law Death Decree. Super easy to discern in the events of the world, in fulfilled prophecies.
There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.
"There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.", That is your opinion for now.

AV Lk 11:50-51 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

I am sure that is the same attitude that got prophets of Old murdered, for what was perceived as lies in unfulfilled prophecies.

Cain killed Abel over worship, it will happen in the end as well, in a chiastic form in the Bible.

I look forward to your change of mind, at fulfillment. Of course, the decision is yours to make.
There is no "Sunday Law Death decree".
And you would be literally temporarily correct. But that is how unfulfilled prophecies work for GOD, in order to test faith.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Victor

Active member
Prologue:
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The theocracy "of the beast" proceeds the Sunday Law and Sunday Law Death Decree. Super easy to discern in the events of the world, in fulfilled prophecies.

"There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.", That is your opinion for now.

AV Lk 11:50-51 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

I am sure that is the same attitude that got prophets of Old murdered, for what was perceived as lies in unfulfilled prophecies.

Cain killed Abel over worship, it will happen in the end as well, in a chiastic form in the Bible.

I look forward to your change of mind, at fulfillment. Of course, the decision is yours to make.

And you would be literally temporarily correct. But that is how unfulfilled prophecies work for GOD, in order to test faith.

Yours in Christ, Michael
I noticed that you didn't actually respond to the bulk of my post.
Where is your support that Catholicism is valid?
Where is your retraction of a prediction you made that has passed its terminus?

All you posted is rambling rabbit trails and hollow accusations that sum up to wishful thinking (or worse).

EDIT rule 12 insult
 
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Victor

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There is no "Sunday Law Death decree". There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.
"There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.", That is your opinion for now.
You can't reduce Scripture to anyone's opinion. You have spent years in the past trying to find anything that would support the obsession you've posted for many years, with no results. It remains uncontested, and that isn't an opinion. Your own prediction illustrates how badly your obsession resulted in your own failure.

Don't forget that your post demands that you support your reliance on the RCC and the Reformation didn't correct Rome's error.
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The theocracy "of the beast" proceeds the Sunday Law and Sunday Law Death Decree. Super easy to discern in the events of the world, in fulfilled prophecies.

"There is nothing in Scripture that suggests this alleged prophecy.", That is your opinion for now.

AV Lk 11:50-51 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

I am sure that is the same attitude that got prophets of Old murdered, for what was perceived as lies in unfulfilled prophecies.

Cain killed Abel over worship, it will happen in the end as well, in a chiastic form in the Bible.

I look forward to your change of mind, at fulfillment. Of course, the decision is yours to make.

And you would be literally temporarily correct. But that is how unfulfilled prophecies work for GOD, in order to test faith.

Yours in Christ, Michael
and Michael spouts again
Prologue:
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The theocracy "of the beast" proceeds the Sunday Law and Sunday Law Death Decree. Super easy to discern in the events of the world, in fulfilled prophecies.
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Paul says all these things will happen again in that last day generation

It will be men such as the :devilish: Gods (Elders) :devilish: of the SDA Church
that will stand in the Courtyards of the Caesars of this world and demand
that The SDA's that will not bow to :devilish: their :devilish: authority
and keep Sabbath as they command should be put to death

It will be the SDA Church that will become the persecuting power in the end time events
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
I noticed that you didn't actually respond to the bulk of my post.
Time management on my part. I did not have the available time to address all of it.

Life interruptions, I was planning to address the other parts, but others in my life needed my time and attention.

I do plan to address the other parts. Because you need my time and attention as well.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Victor

Active member
Time management on my part. I did not have the available time to address all of it.

Life interruptions, I was planning to address the other parts, but others in my life needed my time and attention.

I do plan to address the other parts. Because you need my time and attention as well.
I think that the one who need to have your attention is yourself. For years you still don't comprehend the simplest problem that confronts you. Prime example is when you posted this:
And you would be literally temporarily correct. But that is how unfulfilled prophecies work for GOD, in order to test faith.
This is an allusion to "unfulfilled prophecies". What you don't recognize is that there isn't a prophecy that is pending fulfillment in the first place.

I proved you you 10 years ago that Ellen White made no such prophecy. She demands that you consider God a liar in the model she postulated, which she did because she is ignorant of the Bible and the Author. And when you turn to the Bible, it is silent about an alleged "Sunday Law death decree". It doesn't exist. There isn't a prophecy waiting to be fulfilled.

You fell flat on your face as a total failure 9 years ago with your own prediction. To this day you remain ignorant of the Bible and the Author behind it. Making a detour to Revelation 13 doesn't help you either, as you modified the text in your own mind to read something that isn't there - you relied on Ellen White's tortured interpretation.

It doesn't take a whole decade to repent if you were indeed "in Christ". It takes rebellion to remain a stranger in a dry land.
Psalm 68:6​
God sets the solitary in families;​
He brings out those who are bound into prosperity;​
But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.​

Heed well the observation made by someone smarter than you:
If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein​
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
I think that the one who need to have your attention is yourself. For years you still don't comprehend the simplest problem that confronts you. Prime example is when you posted this:
Thank you for your advice, in your own stated opinion.
This is an allusion to "unfulfilled prophecies". What you don't recognize is that there isn't a prophecy that is pending fulfillment in the first place.
Thank you for sharing your unbelief.

AV Mt 24:37-39 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Noah was the only one burdened directly with the knowledge of what was coming by GOD. Everyone else was to believe Noah, before the flood. Go ahead and bet your salvation that GOD does not act, the way you think in arrogance of knowing more that GOD.

AV Ro 8:22-25 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

You are not omniscient enough to prove me wrong, so I will wait for it's fulfillment.
I proved you you 10 years ago that Ellen White made no such prophecy. She demands that you consider God a liar in the model she postulated, which she did because she is ignorant of the Bible and the Author. And when you turn to the Bible, it is silent about an alleged "Sunday Law death decree". It doesn't exist. There isn't a prophecy waiting to be fulfilled.
AV Hab 2:2-4 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make [it] plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. 3 For the vision [is] yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. 4 Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

More of your opinions, and lack of understanding of GOD's Ways in GOD's Will.

AV 1Th 5:19-20 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings.

AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

You can not explain who the living prophets are, who get killed by living self decieved people in the time of the seven last plagues.
You can not explain that the Church possesses the Gift of Prophecy for today, in Prophets of today, either.
You fell flat on your face as a total failure 9 years ago with your own prediction. To this day you remain ignorant of the Bible and the Author behind it. Making a detour to Revelation 13 doesn't help you either, as you modified the text in your own mind to read something that isn't there - you relied on Ellen White's tortured interpretation.
That is your opinion to state, from your own authority.

Are there months between Oct 22, 1844 and when Jesus' second advent occurs ???
It doesn't take a whole decade to repent if you were indeed "in Christ". It takes rebellion to remain a stranger in a dry land.
Psalm 68:6​
God sets the solitary in families;​
He brings out those who are bound into prosperity;​
But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.​
AV 2Pt 1:4-11 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Repent of what then ???
Heed well the observation made by someone smarter than you:
If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein​
AV 1C 3:18-21 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

So you like to "glory in men" ???
Intelligence is an attribute of self deceived. They use their Intelligence as their authority for purpose to others.

AV 1C 12:6-11 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

How about recognizing the Holy Spirit's work in others ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
And yet after years of failure you still grovel to this fairy tale that demands calling God a liar.
AV Ja 4:5-8 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double minded.

You are the one "calling God a liar" in your own opinion here.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Let's start with an easy one. Do Adventists believe that Christ could have failed in his mission?
I know EGW said it, as her personal testimony. It is not doctrinal, because it NEVER happened as a hypothetical discussion. So is it salvific, in your opinion ???

"Do" some "Adventists believe that Christ could have failed in his mission?", I am sure that some do.

Okay discussing hypotheticals, Could Jesus be fully human and decide to go against GOD and sin, like other humans ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Victor

Active member
Thank you for your advice, in your own stated opinion.

Thank you for sharing your unbelief.
Au Contraire - I'm not guilty of selective rejection of Scripture.

Hebrews 6
17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, 18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.​

It is impossible for God to lie, and it is impossible for Him to make a covenant with people that He stated beforehand don't and will never exist. This is what Ellen White demanded for the "Sunday Law death decree". Hence it is reasonable to side with God's decree that Ellen White's model is an unbiblical fabrication.

AV Mt 24:37-39 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Noah was the only one burdened directly with the knowledge of what was coming by GOD. Everyone else was to believe Noah, before the flood. Go ahead and bet your salvation that GOD does not act, the way you think in arrogance of knowing more that GOD.

AV Ro 8:22-25 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].
You seem content to wait for something that God promised will never happen.
You are not omniscient enough to prove me wrong, so I will wait for it's fulfillment.
I already proved Ellen White to be wrong, and note that you have never found anything to support the unbiblical doctrine you have embraced. Note also that you quoted passages that fail to support your hypothesis.
AV Hab 2:2-4 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make [it] plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. 3 For the vision [is] yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. 4 Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
I'm not sure why you quoted an unrelated passage. You don't have a vision to appeal to.
More of your opinions, and lack of understanding of GOD's Ways in GOD's Will.
Au Contraire - you're the one who said we would see your obsession come to fruition years ago - past tense. It is obviously not God's will when your prediction failed.
AV 1Th 5:19-20 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings.
Then don't despise the prophecy written in 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.​
AV Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

You can not explain who the living prophets are, who get killed by living self decieved people in the time of the seven last plagues.
You can not explain that the Church possesses the Gift of Prophecy for today, in Prophets of today, either.
You still cannot support your thesis.
The issue of prophets within the Christian church is a red herring when you advance the unbiblical notions sourced from Ellen White. What she wrote can't be reconciled with Scripture. And yet...
...you won't accept Scripture. You prefer a teacher who led you away from the truth.
That is your opinion to state, from your own authority.
This is a projection you use to avoid your own prediction. Once again: you're the one who said we would see your obsession come to fruition years ago - past tense.
Are there months between Oct 22, 1844 and when Jesus' second advent occurs ???
Since nothing happened in 1844, this is another red herring.
Or...
Do you despise the commandments of God in the same manner I caught another Adventist on this forum doing? Jesus commanded us to reject the false idea that He entered into the inner room.
AV 2Pt 1:4-11 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
:unsure: Using biblical passages to launch a personal attack. Shame on you.
Repent of what then ???
Disbelief.
AV 1C 3:18-21 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

So you like to "glory in men" ???
Intelligence is an attribute of self deceived. They use their Intelligence as their authority for purpose to others.

AV 1C 12:6-11 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

How about recognizing the Holy Spirit's work in others ???
You love to dispense advice you're not willing to abide by.
The axiom presented by Albert Einstein is a truth I have verified many times. You don't understand the doctrine you proffer, hence you cannot support it from God's Word. It is a fallacy, and you don't have the tools to recognize the fallacy.
 
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