Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

[pythons]

Prologue: GOD has used erring people before.

Some of Miller's conclusions were based on carry over doctrinal errors from the Mother Harlot. Not all of it, was error though.

Your error here, you find one point not in harmony with scriptures, you conclude to evaluate it all error.

AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

I will add, that is your privilege and mine of the free will opinion before GOD. Which GOD will evaluate in our heart.

Yours in Christ, Michael

The message was TOTALLY FALSE, Jesus was coming back on a particular day - there was NO OTHER MESSAGE...
...An individual would either accept or reject Miller's message BASED ON THE ACTUAL MESSAGE.
...God doesn't reject people for rejecting a false message that's directly contrary to Scripture.
...Again, the message was Jesus was coming on X day - that was IT, there was no other message.

People who rejected William Millers message did so because it directly contradicted Scripture...
...Ellen White said that those people who appealed to Scripture in rejecting Miller's message:
....WERE IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN & UNDER CONTROL OF FALLEN ANGELS.

Just so there is no misunderstanding of what Ellen was teaching about this issue observe what she said about it below.

"Many shepherds of the flock, who professed to love Jesus, said that they had no opposition to the preaching of Christ's coming, but they objected to the definite time. God's all-seeing eye read their hearts. They did not love Jesus near. They knew that their unchristian lives would not stand the test, for they were not walking in the humble path marked out by Him. These false shepherds stood in the way of the work of God. The truth spoken in its convincing power aroused the people, and like the jailer, they began to inquire, "What must I do to be saved?" But these shepherds stepped in between the truth and the people, and preached smooth things to lead them from the truth. They united with Satan and his angels, crying, "Peace, peace," when there was no peace".

Did you catch that? The Shepherds [ministers] that stepped in and said HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, we want you to preach of Christ's coming just like we do BUT WE OBJECT TO YOUR CLAIMING YOU KNOW THE DAY OF CHRIST'S COMING BECAUASE SCRIPTURE HERE & HERE & HERE EXPLICTLY SAYS YOU CAN'T KNOW.

Ellen said of these Clergy that they were getting in between "THE TRUTH" [Miller's message] & the people. Miller's message was NOT TRUE. These clergy who could only judge the message off what it was ( not what was supposedly hidden ) rejected it precisely because Scripture said to reject it. Ellen than claims God judged them for rejecting it.

This would be akin to the Prophet Daniel setting up altars for strange God's and ordering the Jews to offer sacrifice and worship them. The God fearing Jews would have told Daniel he was wrong and pointed to the Scriptures they had and said SEE DANIEL, it says here we are not to do this. Daniel then rebukes the Scripture leveraging Jews telling them that anyone who fails to worship the new idols hates the God of Abraham and is in union with the Devil.

Later on, after everything is done Daniel said God hid a mistake and it was all a test of faith and the ones who worshipped the idols PASSED THE TEST.

Be honest, doesn't that sound nutty?

 

[pythons]

Regardless of your editing EGW quote, You are safe on this one for now, It is ONLY for SDAs as "We are NOT".

This quote is to prep SDAs for future misuse of scriptures to SDAs, by others.

Yours in Christ, Michael

Are you saying Ellen White is understood to be immune from documented past cases of misusing Scripture?

 

[SDAchristian]

When Jesus talks about a New Covenant what does that mean?

AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

A new way, that reflects GOD's will towards sin, in the heavenly sanctuary.

AV Ja 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

My question back to you, Where did GOD change the definition of sin in GOD's own words, for the NC/NT ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Are you saying Ellen White is understood to be immune from documented past cases of misusing Scripture?

AV 1C 11:14-16 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Paul did make a distinction.

EGW, as a person, thinking for herself, No.

EGW, as GOD's Messenger, lead by the Holy Spirit, Yes. I will give you this, GOD's Holy Spirit showed her just enough to guide SDAs past the doubts of others, but not our own doubts. Because we have a free will choice to choose GOD for ourselves.

The issue between us is, who can tell which is what ???

AV 1C 3:16-20 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

At the present time, It is my opinion that you can not. When the prophecies that EGW shared become fulfilled in sight for all to see and hear, many will have cognitive dissonance to reconcile in their beliefs, that will be salvific, as the mark of the beast.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

You still did not answer the question regarding the mosaic covenant being binding on Gentiles.

Your definition of sin is breaking the Sabbath that’s what you say. What did Jesus say would stop you from the inheritance of eternal life?

Why did Jesus have to die on the cross?

 

[pythons]

AV 1C 11:14-16 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Paul did make a distinction.

EGW, as a person, thinking for herself, No.

EGW, as GOD's Messenger, lead by the Holy Spirit, Yes. I will give you this, GOD's Holy Spirit showed her just enough to guide SDAs past the doubts of others, but not our own doubts. Because we have a free will choice to choose GOD for ourselves.

The issue between us is, who can tell which is what ???

AV 1C 3:16-20 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

At the present time, It is my opinion that you can not. When the prophecies that EGW shared become fulfilled in sight for all to see and hear, many will have cognitive dissonance to reconcile in their beliefs, that will be salvific, as the mark of the beast.

Yours in Christ, Michael

That's simply an excuse or "carrot" that you use to continue supporting something you know isn't true...
...Ellen White condemned Christians for pointing out Scripture which condemned her beliefs.
...Ellen White got very upset at that & started churning out scores of testimonies.
...That faulted Bible following Christians for not following Miller's false message.

There wasn't anything additional to Miller's message than Jesus is coming on this exact date so be ready....
....Scores of Christians pointed out to Miller they liked the repent part of the message but not the date setting.
....Scores of Christians quoted Scripture as to why they were rejecting the message & Ellen said:

THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN.

Here's Merriam Webster's definition: working with someone especially to do something dishonest. He suspects that they are in league together against him.—often + with - She denies that she is in league with corrupt officials.

Ellen said people who quoted Jesus about not setting dates for His return were WORKING WITH LUCIFER TO DO SOMETHING CORRUPT & DISHONEST.

THEN, down the road, when OTHER people set dates for the 2nd Coming look at how Ellen CHANGED HER TUNE after she got what she wanted.

"Many who have called themselves Adventists have been time setters. Time after time has been set for Christ to come, but repeated failures have been the result. The definite time of our Lord's coming is declared to be beyond the ken of mortals. Even the angels who minister unto those who shall be heirs of salvation know not the day nor the hour. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only." Because the times repeatedly set have passed, the world is in a more decided state of unbelief than before in regard to the near advent of Christ. They look upon the failures of the time setters with disgust; and because men have been so deceived, they turn from the truth substantiated by the word of God that the end of all things is at hand. {4T 307.1}
Those who so presumptuously preach definite time, in so doing gratify the adversary of souls; for they are advancing infidelity rather than Christianity."

If that doesn't prove to you that Ellen believed she was above Scripture than nothing would.

 

[SDAchristian]

That's simply an excuse or "carrot" that you use to continue supporting something you know isn't true...
...Ellen White condemned Christians for pointing out Scripture which condemned her beliefs.
...Ellen White got very upset at that & started churning out scores of testimonies.
...That faulted Bible following Christians for not following Miller's false message.
There wasn't anything additional to Miller's message than Jesus is coming on this exact date so be ready....
....Scores of Christians pointed out to Miller they liked the repent part of the message but not the date setting.
....Scores of Christians quoted Scripture as to why they were rejecting the message & Ellen said:
THEY WERE IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN.
Here's Merriam Webster's definition: working with someone especially to do something dishonest. He suspects that they are in league together against him.—often + with - She denies that she is in league with corrupt officials.
Ellen said people who quoted Jesus about not setting dates for His return were WORKING WITH LUCIFER TO DO SOMETHING CORRUPT & DISHONEST.
THEN, down the road, when OTHER people set dates for the 2nd Coming look at how Ellen CHANGED HER TUNE after she got what she wanted.
"Many who have called themselves Adventists have been time setters. Time after time has been set for Christ to come, but repeated failures have been the result. The definite time of our Lord's coming is declared to be beyond the ken of mortals. Even the angels who minister unto those who shall be heirs of salvation know not the day nor the hour. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only." Because the times repeatedly set have passed, the world is in a more decided state of unbelief than before in regard to the near advent of Christ. They look upon the failures of the time setters with disgust; and because men have been so deceived, they turn from the truth substantiated by the word of God that the end of all things is at hand. {4T 307.1}
Those who so presumptuously preach definite time, in so doing gratify the adversary of souls; for they are advancing infidelity rather than Christianity."
If that doesn't prove to you that Ellen believed she was above Scripture than nothing would.

I understand most of how GOD used EGW, in her humanity before GOD, as an expression of GOD's permissive free will.

AV Mt 23:29-36 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

This has been GOD's will from the beginning for mankind, and for GOD's chosen prophets and messengers, and those that chose to be against them as they represent GOD's will.

You are entitled to express your views here.

We are tasked by GOD to collect Truth and discard lies.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[John t]

Prologue: GOD has used erring people before.

That misses the point entirely. The bottom line issue is the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE, and not the inerrancy of people.

Some of Miller's conclusions were based on carry over doctrinal errors from the Mother Harlot. Not all of it, was error though.

So without evidence, you condemn the RCC church and blame booth Miller's errors and Ellen's errors on that? What evidence do you have that either read material from the RCC, and believed it?? NONE!

The Gospel is about the careful exercise of judgement in sorting.

Nothing in the entire Bible supports that. It is a "theology of works created in an atmosphere totally devoid of grace, or unmerited favor.

I will add, that is your privilege and mine of the free will opinion before GOD. Which GOD will evaluate in our heart.

AGAIN, (sigh) zero grace, all "works salvation".

I understand most of how GOD used EGW, in her humanity before GOD, as an expression of GOD's permissive free will.

There it is folks! That is the grandfather of the heretical statements from a SDA person. Essentially, Michael is making Ellen equal to God as His partner.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
I expect you to be faithful to GOD's word usage in the original language without eisegesis.

Prologue: GOD has used erring people before.

That misses the point entirely. The bottom line issue is the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE, and not the inerrancy of people.

AV Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The{definite article in Greek} sabbath was made for {definite article in Greek for man/human}man, and not {definite article in Greek for man/human}man for the{definite article in Greek} sabbath:

"the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE", Does your opinion cover Jesus' word usage as well ???

AV Ex 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Noting definite article usage: If GOD uses "the seventh day" interchangeably for "the sabbath day", does that mean it's "the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE" too ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
I expect you to be faithful to GOD's word usage in the original language without eisegesis.

AV Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The{definite article in Greek} sabbath was made for {definite article in Greek for man/human}man, and not {definite article in Greek for man/human}man for the{definite article in Greek} sabbath:

"the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE", Does your opinion cover Jesus' word usage as well ???

AV Ex 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Noting definite article usage: If GOD uses "the seventh day" interchangeably for "the sabbath day", does that mean it's "the INERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE" too ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Is the sabbath a ceremonial law? Is the sabbath part of the book of law?

 

[SDAchristian]

Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?

AV 1Jn 3:1-6 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

"Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?", No, when broken it defines sin. "ceremonial law" is about the Gospel remedy to sin in OT types.

Is the sabbath part of the book of law?

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

"Is the sabbath part of the book of law?", Yes, it is in there, do you know/understand why/purpose from GOD's Point Of View, without "speaking [thine own] words" ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

AV 1Jn 3:1-6 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

"Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?", No, when broken it defines sin. "ceremonial law" is about the Gospel remedy to sin in OT types.

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

"Is the sabbath part of the book of law?", Yes, it is in there, do you know/understand why/purpose from GOD's Point Of View, without "speaking [thine own] words" ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Ok so the sabbath is in both the Decalogue and the book of the law? Which is true. So which sabbath laws in the book of laws are still applicable or are they all?

 

[Formersda]

AV 1Jn 3:1-6 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

"Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?", No, when broken it defines sin. "ceremonial law" is about the Gospel remedy to sin in OT types.

AV Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

"Is the sabbath part of the book of law?", Yes, it is in there, do you know/understand why/purpose from GOD's Point Of View, without "speaking [thine own] words" ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

"Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?", No, when broken it defines sin. "ceremonial law" is about the Gospel remedy to sin in OT types. What about Jesus? What was His part in taking away the sins of the world? Have you replaced Jesus with he law?

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
We need to follow the possessives here to understand which sabbaths belong to whom.

Ok so the sabbath is in both the Decalogue and the book of the law? Which is true. So which sabbath laws in the book of laws are still applicable or are they all?

AV Lv 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

"are they all?", "your sabbath" are not, because they are types of redemption or Gospel, IOW, these are "ceremonial law" ones. Not all sabbaths are the same universally. So we need to keep them discrete from the other "my sabbaths".

AV Ezk 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

"are they all?", "my sabbaths" are because of righteousness, and it's a sin to break GOD's righteousness.

The most misunderstood NT Bible verse:
AV Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Paul is referencing the offering types from the OT, that point to the NT anti-types in Christ's body.

We need to read "meat" as meat offerings. And "drink" as drink offerings.

AV Jn 6:53-58 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Both Paul and Jesus are using the same Greek words. So the allusions to "the body [is] of Christ" becomes clearer, when read together.

If you need it, I can annotate the Greek, later for you.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

AV Lv 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

"are they all?", "your sabbath" are not, because they are types of redemption or Gospel. Not all sabbaths are the same universally.

AV Ezk 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

"are they all?", "my sabbaths" are because of righteousness, and it's a sin to break GOD's righteousness.

The most misunderstood NT Bible verse:
AV Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Paul is referencing the offering types from the OT, that point to the NT anti-types in Christ's body.

We need to read "meat" as meat offerings. And "drink" as drink offerings.

AV Jn 6:53-58 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Both Paul and Jesus are using the same Greek words. So the allusions to "the body [is] of Christ" becomes clearer, when read together.

If you need it, I can annotate the Greek, later for you.

Yours in Christ, Michael

So what your saying is there is only one sabbath law which is in the Decalogue?

 

[John t]

I expect you to be faithful to GOD's word usage in the original language without eisegesis.

You have exegeted NOTHING

What is the significance of the verbals here?

27 καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· Τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο ⸀καὶ οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον·
SBLGNT

 

[John t]

From Robertson's Word Pictures:

Mark 2:27:

For man (δια τον ανθρωπον). Mark alone has this profound saying which subordinates the sabbath to man's real welfare (mankind, observe, generic article with ανθρωπος, class from class). Man was not made for the sabbath as the rabbis seemed to think with all their petty rules about eating an egg laid on the sabbath or looking in the glass, et cetera. See 2Macc. 5:19 and Mechilta on Ex 31:13: "The sabbath is delivered unto you and ye are not delivered unto the sabbath." Christianity has had to fight this same battle about institutionalism. The church itself is for man, not man for the church.

From Barnes:

Mark 2:27:
Verse 27. The sabbath was made for man. For his rest from toil, his rest from the cares and anxieties of the world, to give an opportunity to call off his attention from earthly concerns, and to direct it to the affairs of eternity. It was a kind provision for man that he might refresh his body by relaxing his labours; that he might have undisturbed time to seek the consolations of religion to cheer him in the anxieties and sorrows of a troubled world; and that he might render to God that homage which is most justly due to him as the Creator, Preserver, Benefactor, and Redeemer of the world. And it is easily capable of proof, that no institution has been more signally blessed to man's welfare than the Christian Sabbath. To that we owe, more than to anything else, the peace and older of a civilized community. Where there is no Sabbath, there is ignorance, vice, disorder, and crime. On that holy day, the poor, and the ignorant, as well as the learned, have undisturbed time to learn the requirements of religion, the nature of morals, the law of God, and the way of salvation. On that day, man may offer his praises to the Great Giver of all good, and in the sanctuary seek the blessing of him whose favour is life. Where that day is observed in any manner as it should be, order prevails, morals are promoted, the poor are elevated in their condition, vice flies away, and the community puts on the appearance of neatness, industry, morality, and religion. The Sabbath was, therefore, pre-eminently intended for man's welfare, and the best interests of mankind demand that it should be sacredly regarded as an appointment of merciful heaven, intended for our best good; and, where improved aright, infallibly resulting in our temporal and eternal peace.

 

[Formersda]

From Barnes:

Mark 2:27:
Verse 27. The sabbath was made for man. For his rest from toil, his rest from the cares and anxieties of the world, to give an opportunity to call off his attention from earthly concerns, and to direct it to the affairs of eternity. It was a kind provision for man that he might refresh his body by relaxing his labours; that he might have undisturbed time to seek the consolations of religion to cheer him in the anxieties and sorrows of a troubled world; and that he might render to God that homage which is most justly due to him as the Creator, Preserver, Benefactor, and Redeemer of the world. And it is easily capable of proof, that no institution has been more signally blessed to man's welfare than the Christian Sabbath. To that we owe, more than to anything else, the peace and older of a civilized community. Where there is no Sabbath, there is ignorance, vice, disorder, and crime. On that holy day, the poor, and the ignorant, as well as the learned, have undisturbed time to learn the requirements of religion, the nature of morals, the law of God, and the way of salvation. On that day, man may offer his praises to the Great Giver of all good, and in the sanctuary seek the blessing of him whose favour is life. Where that day is observed in any manner as it should be, order prevails, morals are promoted, the poor are elevated in their condition, vice flies away, and the community puts on the appearance of neatness, industry, morality, and religion. The Sabbath was, therefore, pre-eminently intended for man's welfare, and the best interests of mankind demand that it should be sacredly regarded as an appointment of merciful heaven, intended for our best good; and, where improved aright, infallibly resulting in our temporal and eternal peace.

Hi John,

I don’t know who Barnes is, can you provide proof that having a sabbath day ensures peace and order? If there was peace and order in Israel would there be a need for the law? Also as Israel did the sabbath was their society peaceful and in order?

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
I owe you a quick apology. I did not discern your concern with the different kinds of sabbaths. That's on me. I apologize for it.

"Is the sabbath a ceremonial law?", No, when broken it defines sin. "ceremonial law" is about the Gospel remedy to sin in OT types. What about Jesus? What was His part in taking away the sins of the world? Have you replaced Jesus with he law?

AV Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

"What about Jesus?", Jesus replaced OT redemption shadow sabbaths.

AV Jn 1:29 . The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

"What was His part in taking away the sins of the world?", Lamb's blood is a shadow, Jesus' blood is the real atonement.

"Have you replaced Jesus with he law?", No. I apologize for any confusion otherwise. The Law has it's purpose and Jesus has His purpose.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

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Ok so the sabbath is in both the Decalogue and the book of the law? Which is true. So which sabbath laws in the book of laws are still applicable or are they all?

AV Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The{definite article in Greek} sabbath was made for {definite article in Greek for man/human}man, and not {definite article in Greek for man/human}man for the{definite article in Greek} sabbath:

"Ok so the sabbath is in both the Decalogue and the book of the law?", When Jesus uses "the{definite article in Greek} sabbath" the context is understood as the seventh day sabbath in the Decalogue.

"Which is true.", The one in the Decalogue, when broken, breaks a holiness relationship with GOD as sin, and makes it an object of the Gospel redemption as sin.

AV Lv 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

"are they all?", "your sabbath" are not, because they are types of redemption or Gospel, IOW, these are "ceremonial law" ones. Not all sabbaths are the same universally. So we need to keep them discrete from the other "my sabbaths".

AV Ezk 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

"are they all?", "my sabbaths" are because of righteousness, and it's a sin to break GOD's righteousness.

"So which sabbath laws in the book of laws are still applicable or are they all?", See my previous reply.

Yours in Christ, Michael