Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Ac 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

You have exegeted NOTHING
What is the significance of the verbals here?
27 καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· Τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο ⸀καὶ οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον· SBLGNT

In your opinion, you are telling me you are right, in the light of GOD's/Jesus' Omniscience ???

May GOD have mercy on both of us.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Re 17:1-6 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Some of Miller's conclusions were based on carry over doctrinal errors from the Mother Harlot. Not all of it, was error though.

So without evidence, you condemn the RCC church and blame booth Miller's errors and Ellen's errors on that? What evidence do you have that either read material from the RCC, and believed it?? NONE!

Opinion can go both ways, as well as, Evidence goes both ways. GOD has all the evidence, that GOD needs, to make a righteous judgment.

I am realizing, we will not agree. I will prioritize my time differently now.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

The Gospel is about the careful exercise of judgement in sorting.

Nothing in the entire Bible supports that. It is a "theology of works created in an atmosphere totally devoid of grace, or unmerited favor.

AV Mt 25:31-33 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth{G873 aphorizo} [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

It seems to me, you have never really cared for these scriptures, regardless of my point in them.

I understand Jesus' sorting methodology judgment. And I have NO fear of Jesus' judgment in separating sheep and goats.

AV Re 22:10-13 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

So you are "righteous still" and "holy still" until Jesus cuts the herd ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

I will add, that is your privilege and mine of the free will opinion before GOD. Which GOD will evaluate in our heart.

AGAIN, (sigh) zero grace, all "works salvation".

AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

It is hazardous to eternal life, to not heed Jesus' words of warning. Just saying ...

It most certainly depends on how a person want to use "justified" ...

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

I understand most of how GOD used EGW, in her humanity before GOD, as an expression of GOD's permissive free will.

There it is folks! That is the grandfather of the heretical statements from a SDA person. Essentially, Michael is making Ellen equal to God as His partner.

Who made you my prophet, in your opinion ??? Never mind, you no longer have that role with me any more.

AV Ti 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

"That is the grandfather of the heretical statements ...", What do heretics deserve as punishment John ???

AV Jn 5:26-27 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

"Michael is making Ellen equal to God as His partner.", When a messenger{G32 aggelos} speaks GOD's message, who's authority is used on that message ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

What was His part in taking away the sins of the world?", Lamb's blood is a shadow, Jesus' blood is the real atonement.

Are you for real? John 1:29 Very clear, The next day he (John the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of he world.” If it was only a shadow why didn’t Jesus tell John otherwise? Why didn’t all the apostles write that the blood of the lamb was only a shadow?
Why did John who was very close to Jesus write in 1st John 2 that He Jesus is the propitiation for our sins if it was only a shadow?

You are teaching another gospel, you are trampling on the blood of Jesus and making it unclean Hebrews 10:29 and have insulted the Spirit of grace. That Micheal is the unpardonable sin.

You are insulting the Spirit of Grace and going back to the law.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
AV Hb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Literal lamb's blood is "dead works", are we clear now ???

"What was His part in taking away the sins of the world?", Lamb's blood is a shadow, Jesus' blood is the real atonement.

Are you for real? John 1:29 Very clear, The next day he (John the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of he world.” If it was only a shadow why didn’t Jesus tell John otherwise? Why didn’t all the apostles write that the blood of the lamb was only a shadow?
Why did John who was very close to Jesus write in 1st John 2 that He Jesus is the propitiation for our sins if it was only a shadow?

You are teaching another gospel, you are trampling on the blood of Jesus and making it unclean Hebrews 10:29 and have insulted the Spirit of grace. That Micheal is the unpardonable sin.

You are insulting the Spirit of Grace and going back to the law.

John 1:29 Very clear, The next day he (John the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of he world.”
AV Ex 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:

On Passover/"Easter" no less: Have you confused "the Lamb of God", a Spiritual Symbolic Name, which is Jesus in anti-type with literal "Lamb's blood is a shadow," which is a type ??? >>> I capitalized "Lamb's blood" because it was the first word of a sentence. Then contrasted it to Jesus' blood.

AV Hb 10:29-31 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I quote this enough, to recognize it being used. Blasphemy is defined as doing work that is only GOD's to do.

"You are insulting the Spirit of Grace and going back to the law.", In my opinion, this kind of judgment is why in the time of the end, Sunday Keepers will martyr Sabbath Keepers, and think they are doing GOD's will, when GOD will in the end execute Righteous Judgment for blasphemy.

Knowing GOD, keeps GOD's people from blasphemy.

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AV 1C 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Happy Passover weekend, today !!! As some would say Easter, too !!!

Please realize your timing was not the best.

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AV Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Who wants to talk about the NT ritual for Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, per Paul, Minister to the Gentiles ???

Who remembers their baptism, and it's meaning ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
AV Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
AV Hb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Literal lamb's blood is "dead works", are we clear now ???

John 1:29 Very clear, The next day he (John the Baptist) saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of he world.”
AV Ex 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:

On Passover/"Easter" no less: Have you confused "the Lamb of God", a Spiritual Symbolic Name, which is Jesus in anti-type with literal "Lamb's blood is a shadow," which is a type ??? >>> I capitalized "Lamb's blood" because it was the first word of a sentence. Then contrasted it to Jesus' blood.

AV Hb 10:29-31 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I quote this enough, to recognize it being used. Blasphemy is defined as doing work that is only GOD's to do.

"You are insulting the Spirit of Grace and going back to the law.", In my opinion, this kind of judgment is why in the time of the end, Sunday Keepers will martyr Sabbath Keepers, and think they are doing GOD's will, when GOD will in the end execute Righteous Judgment for blasphemy.

Knowing GOD, keeps GOD's people from blasphemy.

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AV 1C 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Happy Passover weekend, today !!! As some would say Easter, too !!!

Please realize your timing was not the best.

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AV Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Who wants to talk about the NT ritual for Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, per Paul, Minister to the Gentiles ???

Who remembers their baptism, and it's meaning ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Your church has the wrong gospel, that investigative judgement is grossly offensive to Jesus. Your church knows it and you will be judged twice for preaching this rubbish.

You May think I’m a heretic but you Micheal preach another gospel it’s highly offensive and there is no forgiveness for what you and the SDA church say.

it’s offensive and let all those lurkers see how offensive the SDA church is.

 

[John t]

I don’t know who Barnes is, can you provide proof that having a sabbath day ensures peace and order? If there was peace and order in Israel would there be a need for the law? Also as Israel did the sabbath was their society peaceful and in order?

Barnes is a very old commentary, and he was referring to the "Sunday Blue Laws" where certain things could not be served, etc.

In no way is he upholding the SDA version of Sabbath legalism. To get more info, do a web search on "Sunday Blue Laws". It used to be that retail shops were closed on Sunday along with other "non-essential businesses", which included grocery stores..

Thanks for asking for a clarification. Be assured that I will never support any "Law Mongering" of the SDA church,

 

[Formersda]

Barnes is a very old commentary, and he was referring to the "Sunday Blue Laws" where certain things could not be served, etc.

In no way is he upholding the SDA version of Sabbath legalism. To get more info, do a web search on "Sunday Blue Laws". It used to be that retail shops were closed on Sunday along with other "non-essential businesses", which included grocery stores..

Thanks for asking for a clarification. Be assured that I will never support any "Law Mongering" of the SDA church,

Thank you for clarification.
Yes I am aware of the blue laws, here in the UK until 1994 all the shops where closed on sundays except for a few small shops. Gas stations where closed etc strangly didn’t stop us going to church on Saturday.

SDA’s now think because Poland has brought in this same law that we had that the “Sunday law” is coming. Still can’t see them not being able to worship on Saturday but now they change it to say it restricts the amount of time SDA’s can now work.

Utter rubbish before 1994 I was still able to work on sundays, and the majority of SDAS don’t work 6 days a week and actually rest on Sunday.

Blue Laws do not restrict worshipping on whatever day of the week you want to, it also doesn’t force you to worship on Sunday.

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Jn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Blue Laws do not restrict worshipping on whatever day of the week you want to, it also doesn’t force you to worship on Sunday.

AV Mt 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Oh my, The end time judgments of GOD have not started either.

AV Lk 16:13-15 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

When GOD shows discretion for GOD's people, the GOD haters will come out of the woodwork to do their master's will.

Choose wisely, those you choose to hate, and those you choose to love.

"it also doesn’t force you to worship on Sunday", You should know by now, that is a future fulfillment of a prophecy in the past.

How many humans, still bear the image of GOD ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[John t]

Prologue:
How many humans, still bear the image of GOD ???

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the SDA folk are so quick to condemn those who are in Christ Jesus, and therefore have no condemnation (Romans 8:1.)

Nor does it cease to amaze me that the fruits of Ellenism is their almost gleeful but false superiority. Erroneously, they believe they are going to heaven because they follow Ellen more so than other folk who trust in the mercy and grace of Jesus to protect and to persevere them forever.

Such "fruit" can be likened to the "stuff" found on the floor of a barn.

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
AV Jn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

AV Mt 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Oh my, The end time judgments of GOD have not started either.

AV Lk 16:13-15 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

When GOD shows discretion for GOD's people, the GOD haters will come out of the woodwork to do their master's will.

Choose wisely, those you choose to hate, and those you choose to love.

"it also doesn’t force you to worship on Sunday", You should know by now, that is a future fulfillment of a prophecy in the past.

How many humans, still bear the image of GOD ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

How can the Laws in my country the UK in opening the stores etc on Sunday be a fulfilment of the “Sunday Law” when it’s done the very opposite of what EGW said?
I have never met an SDA who works 6 days a week which is required in the Decalogue.
All humans are image bearers of God.
How many bodies of Christ are there? Does God recognise actual denominations ?
The Roman Catholic Church thinks they have ecclesiastical authority from God, and for centuries persecuted the body of Christ the church. The SDA also claims ecclesiastical authority from God and it too is a persecutor of the body of Christ.

SDA’s are not the persecuted they are the persecutors.

There is only one body of Christ Jesus said all those who believe will have eternal life.

What SDA’s need to stop doing is persecuting the body of Christ and concentrate on the gospel. There is only one gospel.
And this is the one and only gospel, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
NOW I MAKE KNOWN TO YOU, MY BRETHREN, THE GOSPEL WHICH I PREACHED TO YOU, WHICH ALSO YOU RECEIVED, IN WHICH YOU ALSO STAND.
BY WHICH YOU ARE SAVED, IF YOU HOLD FAST THE WORD WHICH I PREACHED TO YOU, UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN.
FOR I DELIVERED TO YOU AS OF FIRST IMPORTANCE WHAT I ALSO RECEIVED, THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.
AND THAT HE WAS BURIED, AND THAT HE WAS RAISED ON THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.

This is THE gospel, there is no other gospel and to preach another gospel is contrary to Scriptures, and contravenes Hebrews 10:29 by trampling underfoot the Son of God, regarded His blood of the covenant unclean AND insults the Spirit of grace.

What SDA’s need to do is preach THE one and only gospel and the investigative judgement doctrine is NOT the gospel.

 

[ontheBeam]

I know a unique doctrine of the SDA church that is hidden under a bushel. Anyone that has knowledge of the for Israel only Sabbath cannot be saved if they don't observe it.

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

Sabbath command was not, in any way, linked to the Israelites salvation Ex 19:5-6. God told Moses the law He was about to give Israel was to make them a Holy nation. It was a covenant of laws that were to be the governing rules while they sojourned in the desert and when they finally went into the Promised Land, Canaan. Israelites were saved just as Abraham, you and I are saved, by faith. Israel’s Promised Land is defunct as is the covenant that governed the people,

By contrast, the new covenant is the covenant of salvation for all mankind.

Ellen also wrote: I pray that my brethren may realize that the third angel's message means much to us and that the observance of the true Sabbath is to be the sign that distinguishes those who serve God from those who serve Him not. Let those who have become sleepy and indifferent, awake. We are called to be holy, and we should carefully avoid giving the impression that it is of little consequence whether or not we retain the peculiar features of our faith. ......{9T 251.2}

To teach that salvation comes by any other means than through the blood of the Lamb is pure heresy. It is not what we do, it is what Jesus did. Christians serve God by ❤ing our fellow man, just as Jesus loves us.

 

[John t]

SDA’s are not the persecuted they are the persecutors.

My first inclination was to say "AMEN!"

But that is due to a few "Naziz of 'Ellenism'" spewing misinformation and hatred here.

Not every SDA falls into that category. Thus I urge caution when making statements that may be construed as condemning all SDA people because there are some who have not been brainwashed. Those persons are easier to reach with the truth presented without rancor and in love.

I try to remember that the "Nazis of 'Ellenism'" are most likely hurt and traumatized people who in their misguided zeal seek to pass on the same horrors and hurts that other misguided folk gave` to them. They are to be pitied, and not taken seriously.

 

[Formersda]

My first inclination was to say "AMEN!"

But that is due to a few "Naziz of 'Ellenism'" spewing misinformation and hatred here.

Not every SDA falls into that category. Thus I urge caution when making statements that may be construed as condemning all SDA people because there are some who have not been brainwashed. Those persons are easier to reach with the truth presented without rancor and in love.

I try to remember that the "Nazis of 'Ellenism'" are most likely hurt and traumatized people who in their misguided zeal seek to pass on the same horrors and hurts that other misguided folk gave` to them. They are to be pitied, and not taken seriously.

Your Ellen who is at the heart of the SDA in the great controversy teaches that those in other churches won’t be saved. Can you show me where it says in the bible the investigative judgement is the gospel?
The SDA church is consistently hostile to other churches the very fact that GC has been given authority by God to be the true church is exactly like the Roman Catholic Church.
The very heart of the SDA church is Ellen and you may be in the left side that doesn’t change the facts of the church itself.

 

[SDAchristian]

I know a unique doctrine of the SDA church that is hidden under a bushel. Anyone that has knowledge of the for Israel only Sabbath cannot be saved if they don't observe it.
But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}
All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}
As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}
Sabbath command was not, in any way, linked to the Israelites salvation Ex 19:5-6. God told Moses the law He was about to give Israel was to make them a Holy nation. It was a covenant of laws that were to be the governing rules while they sojourned in the desert and when they finally went into the Promised Land, Canaan. Israelites were saved just as Abraham, you and I are saved, by faith. Israel’s Promised Land is defunct as is the covenant that governed the people,
By contrast, the new covenant is the covenant of salvation for all mankind.
Ellen also wrote: I pray that my brethren may realize that the third angel's message means much to us and that the observance of the true Sabbath is to be the sign that distinguishes those who serve God from those who serve Him not. Let those who have become sleepy and indifferent, awake. We are called to be holy, and we should carefully avoid giving the impression that it is of little consequence whether or not we retain the peculiar features of our faith. ......{9T 251.2}
To teach that salvation comes by any other means than through the blood of the Lamb is pure heresy. It is not what we do, it is what Jesus did. Christians serve God by ❤ing our fellow man, just as Jesus loves us.

https://forums.carm.org/threads/do-...ving-the-sabbath-on-saturday.3454/post-227935

You may join us over on this discussion because of the similarities. And answer my points from there.

AV Ezk 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Preview Check Question: Is violating the Sabbath command in the Decalogue a sin against GOD ???

Have the Christian "priests" done the same things ???

AV Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Does GOD feel the same way about the Heavenly Temple, where "the ark of his testament" witness against us as well ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Preview Check Question: Is violating the Sabbath command in the Decalogue a sin against GOD ???

Is denying the full and only atonement on the cross by Jesus Christ a sin against God? Isaiah 53:4-6
Surely our griefs He Himself bore
And our sorrows He carried
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken
Smitten of God and afflicted
But He was pierced through for our transgressions
He was crushed for our iniquities
The chastening of our well-being fell upon Him
All of us like sheep have gone astray
Each of us turned our own way
But God has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

 

[John t]

AV Ezk 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Oh how I wish that you could see Jesus Christ as your personal, and merciful Savior, instead of a condemning judge, full of anger and rules-keeping

This, from the New Testament proves my point:

John 3: 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.​

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.​

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.​

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.​

You see, your quote from Ezekiel demonstrates that you focus on law mongering.

Verses 17 & 18 demonstrate that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR, AND NOT THE WORLD'S CONDEMNER, as your SDA theology falsely teaches you.

Verse 19 clearly tells us that the only condemnation given unto humans is unbelief; it has NOTHING to do with law-keeping

Verse 20 tells us that those refusing to come to Jesus, (not through obedience, but through BELIEF) actually loves to do evil, and more important, hates the light (and mercy) of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, your constant condemnation of those who do not follow Ellen, nor her aberrant theology is a strong indicator that you hate the light of Jesus Christ. Thus, it does give to us Scripture-based reasons to genuinely question your claim of being saved.

 

[John t]

It seems to me, you have never really cared for these scriptures, regardless of my point in them.

YEP!!

More unfounded condemnation from someone who obviously hates the light and mercy of Jesus Christ. Such rotten fruit that comes from followers of SDA theology! Such a pity.