Unique Doctrines to Adventist Church ONLY ???

[John t]

Your Ellen who is at the heart of the SDA in the great controversy teaches that those in other churches won’t be saved.

"MY Ellen????

I am not SDA, nor do I support her aberrant theology. Whatever gave you that idea, unless you skimmed half way through my post, and subsequently stopped comprehension of the post.

 

[Formersda]

"MY Ellen????

I am not SDA, nor do I support her aberrant theology. Whatever gave you that idea, unless you skimmed half way through my post, and subsequently stopped comprehension of the post.

My deepest apologies I got the wrong idea and for that please accept my humble apology

 

[John t]

My deepest apologies I got the wrong idea and for that please accept my humble apology

Thanks, Do it again, and I will sic an "Ellenist" on you! (Of course, I am just kidding.)

 

[SDAchristian]

Oh how I wish that you could see Jesus Christ as your personal, and merciful Savior, instead of a condemning judge, full of anger and rules-keeping

Only to sinners who love sin, we do not agree who is a sinner, or what is sin. Care to start that conversation ???

This, from the New Testament proves my point:
John 3: 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.​

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.​

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.​

You see, your quote from Ezekiel demonstrates that you focus on law mongering.
Verses 17 & 18 demonstrate that JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR, AND NOT THE WORLD'S CONDEMNER, as your SDA theology falsely teaches you.
Verse 19 clearly tells us that the only condemnation given unto humans is unbelief; it has NOTHING to do with law-keeping
Verse 20 tells us that those refusing to come to Jesus, (not through obedience, but through BELIEF) actually loves to do evil, and more important, hates the light (and mercy) of Jesus Christ. ...

AV Mt 22:35-38 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.

In my opinion, We are at odds over "love" in these verses as "all thy heart", "all thy soul" and "all thy mind". I love GOD, and what GOD sees as sin, I see as sin. So do you ???

"19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
"Verse 19 clearly tells us that the only condemnation given unto humans is unbelief; it has NOTHING to do with law-keeping"
AV Jn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
AV 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

AV 1Jn 3:4-6 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

You see law keeping with your spin on it, I see law breaking with GOD's spin on it, and therefore I see sinners, like GOD does. Jesus did not sin, So Jesus DID NOT BREAK GODhead's LAWS !!! The example/"light" you claim to be your GOD, Right ???

Our theological issue between us, Can a person be saved when they do not confess sin to Jesus ???

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AV 1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Only a deceiver will mislead others on this verse.

You must hate this verse. Because you will condemn any person who "doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous", following Jesus' flesh works while walking this earth.

AV 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus will destroy all sins every committed and those individuals that have NOT confessed those sins to Jesus. In my opinion, Jesus knows who to destroy, and I have a clue about what is sin, and who will be destroyed.

"19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
"Verse 19 clearly tells us that the only condemnation given unto humans is unbelief; it has NOTHING to do with law-keeping"

Unbelievers, do not believe Jesus' example as the opposite of sin.

AV 2Pt 2:12-19 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
AV Lk 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
AV Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

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Therefore, your constant condemnation of those who do not follow Ellen, nor her aberrant theology is a strong indicator that you hate the light of Jesus Christ.

This is an accusation that needs Cut-N-Paste evidence for discussion. Which should limit your accusations, but have not so far.

AV Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"Therefore, your constant condemnation of those who do not follow Ellen, nor her aberrant theology is a strong indicator that you hate the light of Jesus Christ.", So you want a discussion on "the light of Jesus Christ" that you hate ???

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Thus, it does give to us Scripture-based reasons to genuinely question your claim of being saved.

"Thus, it does give to us Scripture-based reasons to genuinely question your claim of being saved.", My salvation is decided by Jesus Christ, and NOT BY ANYONE ELSE !!! But if you do have questions, stated them, not infer them by ad hominen by suggesting my salvation is in question.

Now ask me, what is different in our style with each other ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Did GOD lie to Moses about sin ??? Or do I need to remind you, who is in "my book" ??? <<< I do need your answers.

Preview Check Question: Is violating the Sabbath command in the Decalogue a sin against GOD ???

Is denying the full and only atonement on the cross by Jesus Christ a sin against God? Isaiah 53:4-6
Surely our griefs He Himself bore
And our sorrows He carried
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken
Smitten of God and afflicted
But He was pierced through for our transgressions
He was crushed for our iniquities
The chastening of our well-being fell upon Him
All of us like sheep have gone astray
Each of us turned our own way
But God has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

Please consider this theological question carefully in context to the verses above !!!

Can Jesus save a person, who does not confess sins to Jesus ??? <<< Your answer should not make GOD a liar.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue: Same sins, same questions.
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Did GOD lie to Moses about sin ??? Or do I need to remind you, who is in "my book" ??? <<< I do need your answers.

It seems to me, you have never really cared for these scriptures, regardless of my point in them.

YEP!!
More unfounded condemnation from someone who obviously hates the light and mercy of Jesus Christ. Such rotten fruit that comes from followers of SDA theology! Such a pity.

Please consider this theological question carefully in context to the verses above !!!

Can Jesus save a person, who does not confess sins to Jesus ??? <<< Your answer should not make GOD a liar.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

In my opinion, We are at odds over "love" in these verses as "all thy heart", "all thy soul" and "all thy mind". I love GOD, and what GOD sees as sin, I see as sin. So do you ???

Are you saying you are God? How can you say you see sin as God does? Only God can do that!

How was Paul saved? He was a Pharisee who knew the Law better than anyone else, much better than any SDA did the Law save him or Jesus?

What say you to 1 Corinthians 15:56,57
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

Micheal this is the gospel and there is no other gospel.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Now I make t known to you brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received in which you also stand.
By which you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you of first importance what I received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.
and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

2 Thess 1:7-9
and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire.
dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

What Micheal is the gospel of our Lord Jesus?

 

[Formersda]

Please consider this theological question carefully in context to the verses above !!!

So you are ignoring very plain scriptures about the Messiah? Scripture speaks for itself

 

[SDAchristian]

So you are ignoring very plain scriptures about the Messiah? Scripture speaks for itself

Dodge !!! We are talking about sin and how it relates to 'the Messiah's death, in the Gospel.

I do have some theories on why you avoided the questions.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Are you saying you are God?

Because your question suggest you do not understand oneness in GOD, per Jesus' words.

AV Jn 17:21-22 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

So you are saying you are not "one" with Jesus and the rest of the GODhead, and understand like They do ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Dodge !!! We are talking about sin and how it relates to 'the Messiah's death, in the Gospel.

I do have some theories on why you avoided the questions.

Yours in Christ, Michael

No Micheal you are ignoring the questions, you have an unhealthy obsession that the only sin there can be is not keeping the sabbath and that’s incorrect. Isaiah 53 the whole chapter tells us what the messiah was to do, take away the iniquities.
1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Formersda]

Because your question suggest you do not understand oneness in GOD, per Jesus' words.

AV Jn 17:21-22 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

So you are saying you are not "one" with Jesus and the rest of the GODhead, and understand like They do ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

You stated you know what sin is just like God does, your saying you know just as much as God. Being one with God does not mean I know all the things He does.

 

[SDAchristian]

How can you say you see sin as God does? Only God can do that!

Sins are works. When someone breaks GOD's law, they are sinning.

I understand what I see.

AV 1Ti 1:9-11 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless{G459 anomos} and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Which is a sin, in the eyes of GOD, sabbath keeping or sunday keeping ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Sins are works. When someone breaks GOD's law, they are sinning.

I understand what I see.

AV 1Ti 1:9-11 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless{G459 anomos} and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Which is a sin, in the eyes of GOD, sabbath keeping or sunday keeping ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?

Which is a sin, in the eyes of GOD, sabbath keeping or sunday keeping ??? In your eyes is this the only sin?

 

[Formersda]

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Yes Micheal we can talk about lies after you’ve answerI my questions from above? Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath? Did the Law save Paul? What is the gospel of our Lord Jesus?
Did you find those official church quotes about the Sunday law yet?

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Hb 4:10-11 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Who side are you on, anyway ???

Which is a sin, in the eyes of GOD, sabbath keeping or sunday keeping ???

AV Jn 5:26-27 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Keeping the authority of man over GOD's authority, is a sin, or more commonly called blasphemy.

AV Re 16:5-7 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

Man's "Vengeance" does not serve GOD, in murdering of "saints and prophets" martyrs.

In your eyes is this the only sin?

No. So is it, in GOD's eyes too then ??? If you answer this then, you asked a hypocritical question from your own knowledge of GOD, regardless of my answer.

Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?

So you have GOD's awareness of what is rest for GOD, versus what is rest for man, Right ???

"Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?", You present yourself as a teacher, so you answer first.

Are you going to accuse Jesus of sinning then ???

Which is a sin in of itself, Right ??? Not bearing a true witness about the righteousness of Jesus, without GOD's understanding, Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Yes Micheal we can talk about lies after you’ve answerI my questions from above? Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?

AV Mt 12:5-7 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

"Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?", Jesus was "guiltless" on the sabbath.

But I am going to guess, you neither understand Jesus' words nor mine. And you will ask again, because of your eisegesis in your words, Right ???

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AV Mt 11:28-30 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

How can Jesus give something Jesus does not have then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Did the Law save Paul?

AV Ro 7:7-12 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me]. 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

No. You satisfied now ??? It killed him, are we clear now on what kills ??? What purpose did the Decalogue serve in Paul's life, as a Christian then ???

What is the gospel of our Lord Jesus?

AV Re 14:6-7 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

That is a still ongoing discussion, and so far you have not engaged the topic properly.

AV 1Pt 4:17-19 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls [to him] in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

The "judgment" component of "the everlasting gospel" is what then ???

Did you find those official church quotes about the Sunday law yet?

You were in the SDA church long enough, and you studied your way out.

I do not need to, according my opinion of what you think you know.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
AV Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

AV Mt 12:5-7 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

"Does Jesus rest on the Sabbath?", Jesus was "guiltless" on the sabbath.

But I am going to guess, you neither understand Jesus' words nor mine. And you will ask again, because of your eisegesis in your words, Right ???

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AV Mt 11:28-30 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

How can Jesus give something Jesus does not have then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

So the answer to the question is what? Yes or no?