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inertia

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How precise can we measure one second? Well...as it turns out, the National Institutes of Standards in Boulder Colorado made a breakthrough in time measurement recently. Based on several atomic clocks, physicists established an optical network of lasers ( propagating both in free-space and within fiber optics ) separated by kilometers with frequency uncertainty around eighteen decimal places. This particularly high-finesse optical network enabled them to compare atomic clocks and establish a method to improve time measurement. Eventually, this technique will help redefine the optical second using a planet-wide network in every metrology institute.
 

AV1611VET

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How precise can we measure one second? Well...as it turns out, the National Institutes of Standards in Boulder Colorado made a breakthrough in time measurement recently. Based on several atomic clocks, physicists established an optical network of lasers ( propagating both in free-space and within fiber optics ) separated by kilometers with frequency uncertainty around eighteen decimal places. This particularly high-finesse optical network enabled them to compare atomic clocks and establish a method to improve time measurement. Eventually, this technique will help redefine the optical second using a planet-wide network in every metrology institute.
And to think that some people wonder how the first three days in Genesis could have occurred without the sun.

Education doing what it does well: challenging our faith.
 

inertia

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And to think that some people wonder how the first three days in Genesis could have occurred without the sun.

Education doing what it does well: challenging our faith.

Still, exploration enhances one's understanding, and the act of investigating produces awareness. Obtaining understanding is not a request, it is a mandate that enlightens faith.

"The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding. Cherish her, and she will exalt you; embrace her, and she will honor you. She will give you a garland to grace your head and present you with a glorious crown." ( Proverbs 4: 7-9, NIV)

...and to think that some believe that material is eternal, like God, while others believe that God created all matter and spacetime. Creation ex nihilo, not creation ex materia.

"By the LORD's decree the heavens were made; by a mere word from his mouth all the stars in the sky were created." ( Psalms 33:6)

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being." (Revelation 4:11)
 

AV1611VET

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Still, exploration enhances one's understanding, and the act of investigating produces awareness.
But don't you think there should come a time when a scientist admits that it would be impossible to investigate any further, because he has exhausted all available resources, and there's nothing more that can be explored?

To investigate the first three days of the earth's existence, one would need a time machine.
 

inertia

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But don't you think there should come a time when a scientist admits that it would be impossible to investigate any further, because he has exhausted all available resources, and there's nothing more that can be explored?

To investigate the first three days of the earth's existence, one would need a time machine.

The concept of "impossible to investigate further" might have been theoretically achieved with the understanding that the earliest meaningful period of time is the Planck time (tp = 5.39 × 10^-44 s).

Because God fixed the laws of His creation ( Jer. 33:25 ) we can use them as one uses a tool to examine events that occurred in the past. Plate tectonics, for example, has revealed a lot of information about its once dark deepwater surface before the emergence of land (Genesis 1:2).

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Electric Skeptic

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But don't you think there should come a time when a scientist admits that it would be impossible to investigate any further, because he has exhausted all available resources, and there's nothing more that can be explored?
No. When that happens, science dies.
 

inertia

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What evidence? a plasma cloud? ion trail? time crystals? microwave background? other?

Evidence of moving plates is relevant, right?

As it turns out, a number of explorers that live in France, Canada, China and Australia utilized many decades of geological measurements ( "just data mining on this whole-Earth scale" ) in order to reconstruct the planet’s tectonic path. The plate boundary results with timelapse are provided below.

- New research focused on plate boundaries


" Full-plate tectonic animation of the last billion years. White areas represent oceanic crust, green areas are modelled continental lithosphere, and blue areas are additional present-day continental crust. Spiked lines are subduction zones; blue lines are mid-ocean ridges; black lines are transform boundaries. Ma = Millions of years ago. 1 second = 25 million years. Credit: Merdith et al. 2021 (Earth Science Reviews). "
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Reference: Cosmos
 
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AV1611VET

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Evidence of moving plates is relevant, right?
Um ... no.

You have the earth, on Day Three of the creation week.

It consists of Pangaea and Panthalassa.

Pangaea has angiospermes (grasses, shrubs, trees) on it.

No tectonics.

In 24 hours, God will create the sun.
 

inertia

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Um ... no.

You have the earth, on Day Three of the creation week.

It consists of Pangaea and Panthalassa.

Pangaea has angiospermes (grasses, shrubs, trees) on it.

No tectonics.

In 24 hours, God will create the sun.

Well - incorrect ( vs 9 )

"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Land appears from the deep. Vertical bedrock uplift is known.

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inertia

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The dry land was created when God ordered the elements in the ball of sea water (that I like to call "terra aqua") to come together and form it.

I don't understand your comment. Greek mythology perhaps?

The Hebrew phrase translated "the dry" ( הַיַּבָּשָׁה ) does not necessarily indicate a single landmass. Its meaning could indicate many landmasses with plural seas (Genesis 1:10 ). The Pacific or The Atlantic oceans for example are both considered one place too.

"God called the dry ground "land" and the gathered waters he called "seas." God saw that it was good." (vs 1:10)

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AV1611VET

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What? Greek mythology perhaps?
Creatio ex materia.

Take this test I once made up.

Creationism Test:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?
 

inertia

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I'm an independent fundamental Baptist.

You?

I am a follower of Jesus and I attend a non-denominational Christian community church. The reason that I asked is that the concept creation ex materia is a Latter-day Saint teaching too and is not based on the Bible.

Unlike Mormon theology, the Bible tells us that wisdom existed before matter. (Proverbs 8:22-26, KJV with archaic spelling) There were no "cosmic waters" (vs. 24).


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