God knows to whom He has chosen to reveal the secrets of the Kingdom.
Upon this rock/Keys
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Arch Stanton
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Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
Made known to whom?
Arch Stanton
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through whom? Ahhhh, the ChurchMade known to whom?
To whom?through whom? Ahhhh, the Church
Arch Stanton
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crawl before you walk Johan.... Don't you think it is important to know where you get the wisdom of God? Are you afraid of what you might accidentally say?
🤔It appears that my seemingly simple question was very difficult after all. All you have to do is to read the verse you just quoted.
Arch Stanton
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You are stuck, right? The Church being the way God's wisdom is made known.... Which Church Johan? Baptist?
To whom? And the church is the instrument through which God's wisdom is made known. This applies to every believer who preaches Christ and Him crucified. Christ is "for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption" (1 Cor. 1:30). Oh, by the way: to whom?
Arch Stanton
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No Johan, the Church is hierarchical -- the Church with its sacraments, the Church that binds/looses. The Church that you would bring problems to [Mt 18:17-18], The Church that will anoint with oil [James 5:14], the Church with the keys, the Church that has rule over you [Heb 13:17], the Church that speaks for Christ [Lk 10:16], the Church that Peter made his rounds to [Acts 9].
The church is not hierarchical and its only "sacrament" is the Gospel by which people come to faith in Christ. The church is every believer in Christ, also known as the body of Christ. The church does not rule over the believer in any way. Its authority consists in pointing at Christ and Him crucified as our only source of righteousness, holiness, and salvation. Your "church" is not a mouthpiece for Christ, but for the adversary and his utter hatred for the true Gospel. Indeed, your "belief system" is in essence Satanism. It teaches a savior that does not save and a gospel that does not justify. And yeah, since you refuse to answer my original question: Eph. 3:10 says that "the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms," i.e., to the angelic realms.
dingoling.
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It's not a false test. Someone has to have been given authority to settle issues concerning the Christian faith. Without the authority then there is no way to know who is correct and who is not.
Scripture doesn't say that we can handle the word accurately.
Arch Stanton
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but now you know 'the rest of the story'
you forgot an important part [I wonder why 🤔] 👇
Eph 3:10 so that the manifold WISDOM of God might now be made known THROUGH the CHURCH to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.
dingoling.
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God knows but we don't?
Yep Non was right and you institution does not teach sound doctrine and it follows its own desire that is why it has syncretized with pagan practices. That is why it hides sin, that is why it accepts the immoral sexual behaviour of its leaders. You see it does not matter what you and your institution says. It is the actions that talk and those actions why how badly your institution is affected by its false doctrines. They are not leading people to Jesus at all.
Paul and TIm were not members of the bad tree which your institution is. Paul clearly wrote about the requirements for leaders and your leaders do not meet those requirements. Paul never says he is catholic but he does say he is Jewish and he says Tim is Jewish. Please show the verse were they both say they are RCC.Except for the fact that Paul [a Catholic] was writing to Timothy [a Catholic].
Oh lets be honest your institution is not part of the NT church it accepts leaders who Paul would expel 1 Cor 5:11.
Well we do know it is not your institution because it fails every single scriptural test.
OH Bonnie was right and you can tell by Paul's writings he would not have your leaders in his churches.
Yes and that church is not your bad tree.
The real scriptural tests are failed by your institution over and over again throughout the centuries. Your institution has no authority from God, talk is cheap and produces nothing.
Scripture clearly does say we can handle the word accurately.
No need for an earthly authority to interpret, God has given us the wisdom to do so for ourselves if we are born again.
It is written:
Deut 30
11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
acts 17:11
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Psalm 119:130
The unfolding of Your words gives light;
It gives understanding to the simple.
Psalm 19:7
The unfolding of Your words gives light;
It gives understanding to the simple.
1 cor 4:6
6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
Joshua 1:8
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
John 15:7
If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
2 tim 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Ps 119:15
I will meditate on your precepts and fix my eyes on your ways.
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life