1Thess521
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Are you kidding?But scripture doesn't say that he was justified by his faith when he left, it says it years later in Genesis 15.
Read Romans 3 and 4 ,every line
and answer when was Abraham justified?
Are you kidding?But scripture doesn't say that he was justified by his faith when he left, it says it years later in Genesis 15.
Well, sorry, but this is a perfect example of placing your interpretation of scripture over scripture.Not the actual meaning of scripture in context and in agreement with the rest of scripture
Scripture explicitly state that Abraham was justified by works when he offered his son Issac on the alter. Now if you want to say that Abraham was justified when he left then we have to accept the fact that Abraham was justified more than once.Are you kidding?
Read Romans 3 and 4 ,every line
and answer when was Abraham justified?
Scripture explicitly state that Abraham was justified by works when he offered his son Issac on the alter. Now if you want to say that Abraham was justified when he left then we have to accept the fact that Abraham was justified more than once.
I Thess is saying that he was justified when he left his country, which is before Genesis 15.why would he have been justified more than once?
Genesis 15, says he was justified. Abraham doesn't put Issac on the alter till chapter 22.
Scripture explicitly states that Abraham was justified (declared righteous) by God prior to being circumcised, which was prior to the offer of Isaac,Scripture explicitly state that Abraham was justified by works when he offered his son Issac on the alter. Now if you want to say that Abraham was justified when he left then we have to accept the fact that Abraham was justified more than once.
yes: because Abraham believed!!!I Thess is saying that he was justified when he left his country, which is before Genesis 15.
Well, sorry, but this is a perfect example of placing your interpretation of scripture over scripture.
4th time asking for a complete thoughtAbraham was.
Scripture also explicitly states that Abraham was justified by faith before he was circumcised.Scripture explicitly state that Abraham was justified by works when he offered his son Issac on the alter.
Hebrews 11:8 says, "By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to set out for a place that he was to receive as an inheritance...."This is not said, before Genesis 15:6
"Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness"
And it was not repeated in Genesis 22. The point being made is that Abraham was justified because he BELIEVED God, not because he left a country. Or because he put Isaac on an alter.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
The words "belief" and "believe" are synonyms for the word "faith" . Scripture says God credited righteousness to Abraham on account of Abraham "believing" God.
ok, now, Genesis 15:4-5 says
Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
When God said this, Abraham believed God. (verse 6) Even though Abraham had no children at that time. Isaac is not mentioned until chapter 21.
But Abraham had faith and obeyed before Genesis 15 as it states for us in Hebrews 11:8.Scripture also explicitly states that Abraham was justified by faith before he was circumcised.
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! (Rom. 4:9–10)
James says, "Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?"Scripture does not say, righteousness was credited to Abraham because of obedience, but because Abraham "believed" God.
I don't know.4th time asking for a complete thought
Abraham was ...what?
is that a joke?I don't know.
Jesus said, "....this is my body...this is my blood of the covenant...."Not the actual meaning of scripture in context and in agreement with the rest of scripture
yes:James says, "Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?"
I can't remember.is that a joke?
I was your own post!!!