Bonnie
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And also in John 20:23.This power to bind and loose (which the keys will do) was given to others (Matthew 18:18).
And also in John 20:23.This power to bind and loose (which the keys will do) was given to others (Matthew 18:18).
No place. Paul lists church workers in Ephesians, but "priest" is conspicuously missing. All believers are a royal priesthood to God the Father, with Jesus Christ as our Great high priest.Where does the Bible say anything about "ordained priests"?
This again! Honestly, how many times must we go over this...!Jesus didn't address the other disciples in his comments in Matthew 16. He addressed them directly to Peter.
I think he is asking if what you wrote is all in your own words.Josephus, Babylonian Talmud, Midrash Rabba and the Aramaic Targum.
Matt 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”To help us understand what Jesus is saying to Peter in Matthew 16 we need to put ourselves back into their times and understand it as Jesus disciples would have understood it.
The rock:
At the time of Jesus and his disciples the Ark of the Covenant was not in the Holy of Holies. The Ark of the Covenant was captured years early and never returned. So on the Day of Atonement when the high priest would enter the Holy of Holies with the blood he wasn't able to sprinkle/placed it on the Ark of the Covenant so sprinkle/placed it on the rock that was inside the temple. That rock was called the even shetiyah, the Foundation Stone. The Holy of Holies stood right above that rock. And other Jewish sources mention the rock as the place from which the creation of the world began; the axis mundi - the center of the world and the place where the physical and spiritual words connected.
The keys:
The keys of the kingdom were a sign of royal authority and were given to the prime minister during the time of David and Solomon. But the keys were not a sign of just royal authority but also priestly authority. During the time of Jesus and his disciples it was the priest who had the Temple keys. The priest was the captain of the temple, the high priest, who kept the keys to the Temple. The keys to the Temple that was kept in/under a rock, a slab of marble, in the Temple. The high priest would take the keys from the marble rock locked the gates from the inside of the Temple but the keys back in/under the marble slab, but his "mattress" over the it and sleep on the slab inside the Temple. The priest authority came to an end when the keys were given to the next priest. So the keys were understood by the Jesus, his disciples and the Jewish people of the time to be a sign of both royal authority and priestly authority.
So when Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 16, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven", Peter and the other disciples know exactly what Jesus was saying. Jesus was giving Peter both royal authority and priestly authority for his kingdom.
Thats not citing a source. Its plopping down references. What is the source of the op? Author, book, chapter, page number(s).Josephus, Babylonian Talmud, Midrash Rabba and the Aramaic Targum.
This again! Honestly, how many times must we go over this...!Jesus didn't address the other disciples in his comments in Matthew 16. He addressed them directly to Peter.
dingoling. said:
Josephus, Babylonian Talmud, Midrash Rabba and the Aramaic Targum.
I knew better than that.I think he is asking if what you wrote is all in your own words.
No, if you look at the passage, the ot and the Jewish mindset/understanding at the time it is very clear that Jesus is giving authority to Peter.This again! Honestly, how many times must we go over this...!
Jesus did NOT say "upon you Peter/Petros I will build My church..." He used the demonstrative "upon THIS Rock, I will build My church..."
"Petros" used of Peter is masculine, and means a chunk of rock, like a boulder. When He says "upon THIS Rock" the Greek word is "petra" which is feminine, and means a large, rocky massif, like El Capitain, in Yosemete National Park. Two different words.
Jesus built His church on Himself, the Rock, along with His disciples as the foundation, but with Himself as the Cornerstone. Not on just Peter.
You make me laugh, you prove constantly you do not understand scripture Peter is not the rock. You need to read the whole of scripture especially where it talks about the Rock. The Rock is God and Paul says it is not Peter but Jesus. Jesus is the rock, Jesus as our saviour is the rock.Edit
RCs have no understanding of what those keys mean at all. The Jewish people saw them as protecting the scriptures, your institution hasn't done that. It has added to scripture, taken away/ignored scripture and goes beyond scripture. The other thing is discipline well your institution does nothing about most evil priests. It ignores 1 Cor 5:11.Yes it does say that. But in Matthew 16 Jesus is addressing Peter. Peter is the "head" authority.
You just know there must be a source for it, it is obvious.post your source for what you've posted.
So that includes those paedophile priests, the priest who rape nuns, have children outside marriage, are homosexuals etc. Hmm I don't think so.Yes all ordained priests have been delegated this authority.
Yep did, I have done Jewish studies and read scripture. Peter has no more authority than any other believer. Your false teachers have none what so ever.No, if you look at the passage, the ot and the Jewish mindset/understanding at the time it is very clear that Jesus is giving authority to Peter.
You can be honest about your source for your material and you show no understanding/mindset of the time.No, if you look at the passage, the ot and the Jewish mindset/understanding at the time it is very clear that Jesus is giving authority to Peter.
If you are really interested in knowing the truth you can check out what I posted; it's not hard to do.You can be honest about your source for your material and you show no understanding/mindset of the time.
If you quote someone you need to acknowledge it and say where you got it. We all know from what is written that it is not your writings. It is not hard to do to acknowledge your source, otherwise it is called plagiarism. It still doesn't make it Peter the rock with the keys.If you are really interested in knowing the truth you can check out what I posted; it's not hard to do.
So it's not your job to validate your own op, it's ours? We're supposed to sift through;If you are really interested in knowing the truth you can check out what I posted; it's not hard to do.
Josephus, Babylonian Talmud, Midrash Rabba and the Aramaic Targum.
no, it doesn't. did Peter have authority over Paul?No, if you look at the passage, the ot and the Jewish mindset/understanding at the time it is very clear that Jesus is giving authority to Peter.