Various from the Mormonism forum

[Gary Mac]

a soul herself has no sin nature
for she comes from God and
God makes nothing ugly…
all He created is good just as He declared
in His image

The why is it that you live in a hateful, evil, and dark would that you have described over and over.

Someting in your doctrine doesnt add up at all. You say God makes noting ugly yet you live in it?

but this body is sin nature…
essentially
a foreign nature
belonging to this world
and the things of this world
and its mind
the same natural mind of man

But we who are born of God do not have the sin nature of this flesh man, we are not of it we are of His Spirit of Love and has noting at all to do with this flesh man other then the temple for His Love.

flesh



you yourself have one and are in
this sin realm.
thus in sin.

No I am not of this world I am of Christ, anointed of Gods Love.

the point is to die to it and its needs and wants
and to this world

I have died to it, I am nmo longer of it.
Only because you cant relate to that change doent mean others cant relate to Him, it only means that you cant is all.

and though you are in it
not be of it

Correct I am not of it I am of His kingdom that is not of this world.

 

[Gary Mac]

paul is a soul with access to Christ
and who follows Christ.

But comparing what Paul taught and what Jesus taught, they are not the same teachings. Jesus teaches to go to the Father yourself and He will give it you. Paul teaches to follow him in his way and he will lead you his ways.

just as a soul today if He decided to
give it, has access to christ
and can speak with authority…

Everyone has acces to Christ, which simply is to be Gods anointed. Anointed of God by the same mind be in you. But not all accept the Christ to be Gods anointed do they?

so…
rejecting paul is ridiculous.

That is the way Paul would have it for sure.

 

[Theo1689]

But comparing what Paul taught and what Jesus taught, they are not the same teachings.

And this, my friend @Fenuay , is why I have this particular poster on "ignore".
He rejects Scripture, therefore there is no possible common ground for discussion.

 

[Gary Mac]

And this, my friend @Fenuay , is why I have this particular poster on "ignore".
He rejects Scripture, therefore there is no possible common ground for discussion.

Oh no, this particular poster lives the scriptures, someting God demands of us all, that is what it is for to lead you to Him and live the way the truth and the life for Jesus was spot on, no one comes to the Father except this way.

Only because you dont live them and cling to your own beliefs instead is exactly why you ignore this poster.

 

[Gary Mac]

1 John 1:8 “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

King James Version (KJV)

I am advocating the truth. As you see by this scripture. Your belief seems to imply that the sacrifice of the Son was meaningless since we can just choose to not sin. The Bible is clear that all man sins. The natural man is an enemy of God. But the salvation of Christ saves us. We do not save ourselves. If we were able to be sinless we would have no need of salvation. And repentance would be a one time thing.

Romans 3:23​

King James Version​

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23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


1 John 1:8 “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

King James Version (KJV)

That is what I keep trying to convey to you.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Are you a sinner or are you of Christ. See 1 John 3:8 if you are a sinner. It tells clearly who you are of.

7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Cleansed us from all unrighteousness? Is that an impossibility fro you and is a sinner instead?

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you say you have no sin yet reject the One who makes us without sin, you lie just as it says. for if you are the sinner see 1 John 3:8

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.r

Most confess they are sinners but never repent from them do they?

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Again sinned has an ed at the end, past participle. You stopped to soon reading 1 John. Go on to read 1 John 3. He really does take away the sins of this world, and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, the One who is without sin. And if you are born of God it is impossible to be ibn sin, V8.

But because you do not beleive Him that He does take away your sin, then 1 John 1 is obscured from lack in being like Him yourself and have His same mind, that is without sin.

Wheter you believe Him or not, in Christ there is no sin, it is those who are without the Christ who are the sinners.

 

[Fenuay]

That is what I keep trying to convey to you.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Are you a sinner or are you of Christ. See 1 John 3:8 if you are a sinner. It tells clearly who you are of.

7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Cleansed us from all unrighteousness? Is that an impossibility fro you and is a sinner instead?

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you say you have no sin yet reject the One who makes us without sin, you lie just as it says. for if you are the sinner see 1 John 3:8

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.r

Most confess they are sinners but never repent from them do they?

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Again sinned has an ed at the end, past participle. You stopped to soon reading 1 John. Go on to read 1 John 3. He really does take away the sins of this world, and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, the One who is without sin. And if you are born of God it is impossible to be ibn sin, V8.

But because you do not beleive Him that He does take away your sin, then 1 John 1 is obscured from lack in being like Him yourself and have His same mind, that is without sin.

Wheter you believe Him or not, in Christ there is no sin, it is those who are without the Christ who are the sinners.

So again, you do not sin?

 

[Gary Mac]

So again, you do not sin?

Cannot sin because I am born of God. See 1 John 3:9. Read all of 1 John 3- He really does take away the sins of this world you just dont beleive Him that He does. He doesnt wash over your sins, He takes away sin. .

In CHrist there is no sin, impossible to be in sin, it is those who are outside of Christ and not anointed of God who are the sinner.

Are you a sinner? If so read 1 John 8, it tells clearly who you are of. If you are of God read V 9. ANd it isnt about practicing sin as some try and explain v 9 away, it is about God taking away the sins of this world from you.

And if you do take time to read 1 John 3 and actually apply it ylou will see clearly that whan you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. ANd to be like Him does not include sin it includes rightyeousness.

If you say you are of Christ yet a sinner then that not only makes the one you say you follow a liar for clearly in Christ is without sin, it makes you a liar as well. .

 

[Gary Mac]

some, view this body which is the FLESH as His temple (which is impossible... flesh cannot enter the kingdom)...
they scoff at eden... scoff at the existence of the other world...
twist the term flesh to limit it to actions or mental states in this world...
and then attribute to God the creating of this flesh
Which is ADAM'S fault Not God's... for the fall
caused a corruption
but instead they want to revel in this world
and its flesh and all its needs and wants...

You really do not have a clue that His kingdom is Spirit. Your assesment is from your flesh man, from a carnal mind instead of a spirit mind that God is.

this body is Flesh, Sin.

Agreed

If one is in it, then one is in sin nature.

Wrong, I am in this world but not of it, I am of His kingdom that is SPirit.

Does this mean we are of it? No.
Does this mean we are of this world? No.
It means that the situation that Adam caused, was cosmological,
and anyone in a body here on this earth WILL SIN and is in the sin situation...

Even Adam gaind spiritual knowledge and became like God to know this difference from the mortal man ans the spirit man. Someting you do not seem to be able to relate to to become like Him instread of this carnal mind that you preach from.

so those claiming to be sinless, the only way that could be true --
(in a limited sense because still in the body which is utter depravity no matter how you spin it!) --
is that one's core, the soul He made,
is true to Him and sweet, and listening Him... and separating herself from this world...
and the needs and wants of it..... even though all the while,
well aware of the ball and chain this flesh is and that it is a trial, and waiting to be out of here and away from
it and all its trials... point is that the situation of being in this body means we are all still in Sin Nature.
All the nature, all around us from germs to trees to animals is SIN nature,
corrupted by the fall... and NOT the nature of His Creation, which is Eden
and He declared Good. Much here is NOT good, and the nature here DOES NOT LOVE.

Acxtually if you are born of God, and have His same SPirit t is imp[ossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9. If you are a sinner then you follow another, see verse 8 it tells clear who you follow as a sinner.

the point is to Go to our imperishable being, which Paul describes and have our Change
to our imperishable being.

eden and the body we had in eden,
which is the spiritual body, is His temple,
and is what the sons will be restored to...
and it is far superior in every way to this type body that rots and dies
and suffers disabilities... Paul refers to it as imperishable...
and it is what we hope for... and what we can be elected to receive,
as 144k.

Once one is of Gods kingdom, His SPirit, there is no more going back to Eden which is the place for law.

its clear that the early church waited expectant for His return...
and that ever since many have turned to cynical rejection of His deity
and of the other world, where eden is...
and simply resigned themselves to being creatures of this world,
even calling it a Gift from Him... when it's a trial...and scripture
says that His souls will have trials...

Just as you are wating for his return to eden that you state is coming someday to be restored and cannot see the One at your door this day waiting for you to let Him.

some, view this body which is the FLESH as His temple (which is impossible... flesh cannot enter the kingdom)...
they scoff at eden... scoff at the existence of the other world...
twist the term flesh to limit it to actions or mental states in this world...
and then attribute to God the creating of this flesh
Which is ADAM'S fault Not God's... for the fall
caused a corruption
but instead they want to revel in this world
and its flesh and all its needs and wants...

this body is Flesh, Sin.

Flesh is not His temple His temple is the SPirit of man. All you seeis an ape and you dont undersatnd Him at all. And as long as you are waiting for God to restore eden, and you have not met Him face to face with Him to met Him whjere He is this day to restore you, then you do not have a real God at all for your god is yet to come and restore you to His kingdom.

 

[Gary Mac]

you used to say that He made this flesh and that this body was his temple.

No I never have stated that He made this flesh, you did as in an ape if I recal. This flesh man is only the temple for His mind, or spirit as it is refered to in the bible. Mind is spirit.

I am happy to see you revised that point of view. congratulations!

It doesnt matter one bit how I got here as a man, what matters is who I Am while I am here.

Trying to figure out technical difficulties are for elementary mind in their understanding where they try and figure out how an eden will come and be restored. .

 

[Gary Mac]

Flesh is not a temple of anything of His.

I agree not for you, -- but for all who has receieved His mind, His knowledge and think in His terms -- we are.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Another question given to me is whether Christians are sinless after they are saved. While there are 1 or 2 individuals here in the forums who actually believe they have become sinless, that is not generally what Christians believe.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (KJV)

The KJV rendering sounds like it means we "stop sinning" after we are born of God. But I believe this is an inadequate rendering. Let's compare with a modern translation:

1John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. (ESV)

So it really means:

"All those who have been born of God don't sin as much as before..........."

Right?

The ESV renders it, "makes a practice of sinning". This is consistent with the underlying Greek, which is in the present tense, but has continuous aspect, "continues to sin". In English, the time factor is more important, but in the Greek, the aspect is more important.

So while Christians continue to stumble and sin, it is no longer a "habit", or a "practice", we stumble into it, instead of desiring to jump head-long into it.

Another factor is that even though we still physically sin, God no longer SEES our sin, or attributes our sin to us, as that sin has been atoned for on the cross, and when God looks at us, He sees Christ's righteousness instead.

 

[Gary Mac]

If you met Christ you would not say what you say

If you met the Christ, you anointed of God by His SPirit, you would be anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God to have His same mind, same Spirit, same disposition.