Verses that disprove the trinity.

John 17:5​

(5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
If Jesus did not exist before He became flesh He could not have remembered having Glory with the Father before creation.

He is talking about the glory he was having with the Father as described in verse 4.

4 εγω σε εδοξασα επι της γης το εργον τελειωσας ο δεδωκας μοι ινα ποιησω

5 και νυν δοξασον με συ πατερ παρα σεαυτω τη δοξη η ειχον προ του τον κοσμον ειναι παρα σοι
 
Why do you bring up these scriptures we have been over time and again? The world was made during creation and creation happened in the beginning. Now prove Jesus existed before that because the trins say he has always existed with the Father before even the beginning.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Jesus existed before that?
 
Why is it so difficult for you to understand "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Jesus existed before that?
Why is it so difficult to tell you to provide proof Jesus existed even before the beginning since he was always with the Father according to the trins? We are not talking about the beginning because the Father existed before the beginning.
 
Why do you bring up these scriptures we have been over time and again? The world was made during creation and creation happened in the beginning. Now prove Jesus existed before that because the trins say he has always existed with the Father before even the beginning.
Jesus, The SON of God has always existed.
 
Rev 3:14 calls Jesus the Originator of God's Creation.

No, the BEGINNING of the creation of God.

That's because he is the firstfruits of the new creation.

This is all in your Bible and if you didn't insist on intentional blindness it would be obvious to you.

The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new
.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.



"New" is a fabrication.
 
The Word didn't become Jesus..

Jesus became flesh..

Hope that helps.

" She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Mat 1:21

His name was not already Jesus..... He was to be given that name. It does not say his name is Jesus.


Jesus is the name of the man that the Lord God of Israel made himself to become by means of his second nature (soul) being denied all the powers of Deity that was known to his soul prior to the Incarnation.

Philippians 2:6-8 tells us how as God and Soul in union, He chose to deny his soul all the powers and privileges of Deity, and volunteered to lower himself to being as a man.


Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


Christians have reason to believe He is both Deity and man in union.
Its not something we believe simply because we are told its so. You
need to stop thinking that is the case....
 
" She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Mat 1:21

His name was not already Jesus..... He was to be given that name. It does not say his name is Jesus.


Jesus is the name of the man that the Lord God of Israel made himself to become by means of his second nature (soul) being denied all the powers of Deity that was known to his soul prior to the Incarnation.

Philippians 2:6-8 tells us how as God and Soul in union, He chose to deny his soul all the powers and privileges of Deity, and volunteered to lower himself to being as a man.


Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


Christians have reason to believe He is both Deity and man in union.
Its not something we believe simply because we are told its so. You
need to stop thinking that is the case....

God is unchanging.

You are refuted.
 
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