Was Paul the Thirteenth Apostle of Jesus?

CHuckle!!
You didn't read 1 John 3:8 did you?

If you did and are the sinner then I can see how Gods to be without sin is laughable for you. Mocking the very. One who makes us like Him and in His same image. But because of sin you can chuckle at His ways for righteousness.
 
You didn't read 1 John 3:8 did you?

If you did and are the sinner then I can see how Gods to be without sin is laughable for you. Mocking the very. One who makes us like Him and in His same image. But because of sin you can chuckle at His ways for righteousness.
SO why do you continue to SIN as a Born Again Christian??
 
Why do you think a child of God can sin? We who are born of God it is impossible for us to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.
Why do you believe that Christ in me, Gods anointing in me, is a sinner?
Because your HUMAN NATURE (flesh) is still present with you, and you've been charged with "Rendering it inneffective" which wouldn't be necessary if it wasn't there.
 
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them;
they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:9​


Careful what you read. What it does not say is the following...

Those born of God ceased from sinning, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot ever sin,
because they have been born of God."

In other words? Anyone born of God who sins? That sinning can not continue. In effect, it will, "die on the vine."


For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one
another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. " Gal 5:17​

And, if anyone is stupid enough to continue persisting in attempting to achieve satisfaction w2ith some sin? God will literally make him unable to continue.

If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin
does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying
that you should pray about that."


In extreme cases God will not allow the persistently stupid believer to continue to sin.

God will end it. The believer can not continue to seek liberty for his sin by God taking him home early! 1 John 5:16!


No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them;
they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:9​

It does not say...


Those born of God ceased from sinning, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot ever sin,
because they have been born of God."
Ironically... those who persist in denying God's Word (in the name of distorting it to say they are not denying God's Word) are thinking evil. For, false doctrine is an evil.
 
Why do you think a child of God can sin? We who are born of God it is impossible for us to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.
Why do you believe that Christ in me, Gods anointing in me, is a sinner?
sin means wrong actions because of ignorance how to do it correctly, other word is transgression.
knowledge is the remedy to sin.
 
Someone here thinks he will not need a resurrection body..;)
I know and can’t believe that When God comes o to one’s life to be like Him they never know what it is to live in that body that has been glorified in Him. Raised up from that dead state of religion where they wait for something to happen from God instead of actually living that born again life that is raised from that dead state of Spirit.

These dont have a clue what it is to be born of God born again in that new life of Gods kingdom that is within and doesn’t come with observation.
 
sin means wrong actions because of ignorance how to do it correctly, other word is transgression.
knowledge is the remedy to sin.
Sin means wrong being not wrong doing and is separation from the One who takes it away. One can’t know what sin is until you know what it is to be Gods righteous and without sin. Have His same mind that is not of sin. Perfect as He is perfect.
 
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them;
they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:9​


Careful what you read. What it does not say is the following...

Those born of God ceased from sinning, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot ever sin,
because they have been born of God."

In other words? Anyone born of God who sins? That sinning can not continue. In effect, it will, "die on the vine."


For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one
another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. " Gal 5:17​

And, if anyone is stupid enough to continue persisting in attempting to achieve satisfaction w2ith some sin? God will literally make him unable to continue.

If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin
does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying
that you should pray about that."


In extreme cases God will not allow the persistently stupid believer to continue to sin.

God will end it. The believer can not continue to seek liberty for his sin by God taking him home early! 1 John 5:16!


No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them;
they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." 1 John 3:9​

It does not say...


Those born of God ceased from sinning, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot ever sin,
because they have been born of God."
Ironically... those who persist in denying God's Word (in the name of distorting it to say they are not denying God's Word) are thinking evil. For, false doctrine is an evil.
Actually God takes away the sin. Most don’t know Him that He actually does though , let alone let Him remove you from sin as is what He does in man.
 
Sin means wrong being not wrong doing and is separation from the One who takes it away. One can’t know what sin is until you know what it is to be Gods righteous and without sin. Have His same mind that is not of sin. Perfect as He is perfect.
from Strong's

' "In Greek writings (from Aeschylus and Thucydides down). 1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense, and"
 
from Strong's

' "In Greek writings (from Aeschylus and Thucydides down). 1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense, and"
Gary is working in the philosophical and abstract.... Its how false teachers 'make things up.'

The Word of God when accurately understood stomps (demolishes) such thinking.

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God,
and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." 2 Cor 10:5​

Teaching demons take such teachers on test runs to find better ways to perfect the false teacher's spiel. They pump the false teachers up in pride (which they see as humility) and flattery (which they call edification) ... having them to believe they are superior and smarter than everyone else.

To maintain their momentum such teachers must learn to become selective in deafness and blindness. Certain training demons will groom and try to perfect these false teachers by exposing them to those who oppose them with the Word of God used correctly.

You can not reason with delusion once they enter that stage. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
 
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from Strong's

' "In Greek writings (from Aeschylus and Thucydides down). 1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense, and"
Gary is working in the philosophical and abstract....
Same as Jesus did as well. Those of his day didn't understand him in the Father either.
Its how false teachers 'make things up.'
As was Jesus in his trials and tribulations, they said he made up stuff as well.
The Word of God when accurately understood stomps (demolishes) such thinking.
When God comes to the individual He does stop out those bad opinions we had about those who are actually like like Him as Jesus was like Him. His way is always in conflict with the religious minds who make things up about Him.
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God,
and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." 2 Cor 10:5​

Teaching demons take such teachers on test runs to find better ways to perfect the false teacher's spiel. They pump the false teachers up in pride (which they see as humility) and flattery (which they call edification) ... having them to believe they are superior and smarter than everyone else.
Yes and these flat out refuse the teachings of Jesus to be like Him in the Father.
To maintain their momentum such teachers must learn to become selective in deafness and blindness. Certain training demons will groom and try to perfect these false teachers by exposing them to those who oppose them with the Word of God used correctly.
Our denominations are full of these, they even have seminaries to teach such.
You can not reason with delusion once they enter that stage. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
That is why those of Jesus day couldn't reason with him in the Father. The fight isn't about what we are, the fight is who we are or are not like Him Who is a Spirit who is Love and man is the temple of Him.

That is always false teachings for those who has a different way from His to be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
 
Because your HUMAN NATURE (flesh) is still present with you, and you've been charged with "Rendering it inneffective" which wouldn't be necessary if it wasn't there.

bob ......

In your opinion.



IMO, Paul talking about "this body of death", is a bit concerning.

Paul was one to play both sides.

Not sure he was talking about the natural man.

Might have been a spiritual body of death.

After all, the guy was in spiritual chains for a long time. (post conversion)

But he still found hope.
 
bob ......

In your opinion.



IMO, Paul talking about "this body of death", is a bit concerning.

Paul was one to play both sides.

Not sure he was talking about the natural man.

Might have been a spiritual body of death.

After all, the guy was in spiritual chains for a long time. (post conversion)

But he still found hope.
When we read of Saul who went out to destroy the Christian beliefs we see his failure in trying to eliminate them. When he saw this tactic wasn't going to work he did a remarkable thing, he changed his name and philosophy. If he couldn't destroy them physically he would do it from the inside out.

If Saul could get people to follow him instead of Jesus as he was most successful in doing even today, he could get people to turn to his doctrine of sin that they be the sinners instead of the righteousness of God in Christ to be like Paul himself instead of be like Jesus himself, he could destroy Jesus teachings for perfection in the Father, and for the most part he has succeeded for there are a whole lot more follow the ways of Paul as a sinner then ever did Jesus and be without sin and perfect as the God of heaven is perfect.

If you do not think Paul was successful in teaching the ways of sin instead of Gods perfections just ask about anyone if they follow Paul as a sinner , ask them if they follow Jesus to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, righteous, holy, pure, and without sin. Just ask them and see which one of these they follow.

For me Jesus is the way for righteousness, born of God and without sin, For those who are the sinner Paul is their way.
 
When we read of Saul who went out to destroy the Christian beliefs we see his failure in trying to eliminate them. When he saw this tactic wasn't going to work he did a remarkable thing, he changed his name and philosophy. If he couldn't destroy them physically he would do it from the inside out.

If Saul could get people to follow him instead of Jesus as he was most successful in doing even today, he could get people to turn to his doctrine


The above is blasphemy.

See 2 Peter 3:15-16.
 
The above is blasphemy.

See 2 Peter 3:15-16.
It is for those who are of Paul in his ways for his laws to govern a belief, and not of Jesus in his ways for the reality of God manifest in you as He was manifest in Jesus to have His same mind and walk in it as He walks in it.

Seems Pauls way worked for you.
 
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