DeSanto
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Trust your gut.
Was there over 3300 deaths from covid vaccines between Dec 2020 and April 2021?
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There's nothing extraordinary about it at all. Given that these pharmaceutical companies submitted their requests to the FDA, and received emergency use approval to simply lesson symptoms, and admit that there is no evidence to suggest that these gene therapies prevent infection or provide anyone with immunity, AND that there is the very real possibility of transmission from those injected to those haven't received the vaccination; it stands to reason that this is more than likely to occur.
Here's the facts straight from the original sources:
From page 47 of the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization issuance for Pfizer notes:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against asymptomatic infection"
And:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against transmission of SARS-CoV-2 [virus] from individuals who are infected despite vaccination.”
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The CDC Advisory Committee that recommended emergency use of the Moderna vaccine noted:
“the level of certainty for the benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was… type 4 (very low certainty) for the estimates of prevention of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and all-cause death.”
The CDC guidance to Covid vaccine administrators (January 2, 2021) asks:
Can a person who has received a Covid-19 vaccine still spread COVID-19? At this time, we do not know if COVID-19 vaccination will have any effect on preventing transmission.”
The World Health Organization (WHO) on January 26, 2021 similarly admitted:
We do not know whether the vaccines will prevent infection and protect against onward transmission.”
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ Interim...
This report describes the interim recommendation made by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on December 19, 2020, for use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in persons aged ≥18 years.
www.cdc.gov
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Faithoverbelief
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Umm show me all the dead bodies in Israel. It is a big lie a dangerous lie.There's nothing extraordinary about it at all. Given that these pharmaceutical companies submitted their requests to the FDA, and received emergency use approval to simply lesson symptoms, and admit that there is no evidence to suggest that these gene therapies prevent infection or provide anyone with immunity, AND that there is the very real possibility of transmission from those injected to those haven't received the vaccination; it stands to reason that this is more than likely to occur.
Here's the facts straight from the original sources:
From page 47 of the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization issuance for Pfizer notes:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against asymptomatic infection"
And:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against transmission of SARS-CoV-2 [virus] from individuals who are infected despite vaccination.”
The briefing document for the Moderna and Jansen shots state the same thing:
"to assess the effect of the vaccine in preventing asymptomatic infection… and definitive conclusions cannot be drawn at this time.”
“Limited data” means there is in fact no evidence to support those conclusions.
The CDC Advisory Committee that recommended emergency use of the Moderna vaccine noted:
“the level of certainty for the benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was… type 4 (very low certainty) for the estimates of prevention of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and all-cause death.”
The CDC guidance to Covid vaccine administrators (January 2, 2021) asks:
Can a person who has received a Covid-19 vaccine still spread COVID-19? At this time, we do not know if COVID-19 vaccination will have any effect on preventing transmission.”
The World Health Organization (WHO) on January 26, 2021 similarly admitted:
We do not know whether the vaccines will prevent infection and protect against onward transmission.”
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ Interim...
This report describes the interim recommendation made by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on December 19, 2020, for use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in persons aged ≥18 years.
COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs for Healthcare Professionals
Information for Healthcare Providers, Pharmacists, and Other Vaccine Providerswww.cdc.gov
The Moderna COVID-19 (mRNA-1273) vaccine: what you need to know
The WHO Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization has issued Interim recommendations for use of the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine against COVID-19 in people aged 18 years and older.www.who.int
Moderna’s chief science officer was quoted in the British Medical Journal about the clinical trials in 2020 that resulted in the FDA’s decision to grant a EUA to the Moderna shot:
"Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission, because in order to do that you have to swab people twice a week for very long periods, and that becomes operationally untenable.”
Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...www.bmj.com
TeabagSalad
Well-known member
I think a lot of the antivax nonsense comes from fear. People fear what they don't understand.
Ever noticed how the majority of antivaxers have little or no education in science?
Magdalena
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You’re the ones who are saying “follow the scientists.” As if they could never be wrong. Being cautious and using common sense is not the same as being fearful.
Sources that push lies are not trustworthy, by any definition.
So you are advocating that people not get vaccinated and take the chance of getting the virus?There's nothing extraordinary about it at all. Given that these pharmaceutical companies submitted their requests to the FDA, and received emergency use approval to simply lesson symptoms, and admit that there is no evidence to suggest that these gene therapies prevent infection or provide anyone with immunity, AND that there is the very real possibility of transmission from those injected to those haven't received the vaccination; it stands to reason that this is more than likely to occur.
Here's the facts straight from the original sources:
From page 47 of the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization issuance for Pfizer notes:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against asymptomatic infection"
And:
"Data are limited to assess the effect of the vaccine against transmission of SARS-CoV-2 [virus] from individuals who are infected despite vaccination.”
The briefing document for the Moderna and Jansen shots state the same thing:
"to assess the effect of the vaccine in preventing asymptomatic infection… and definitive conclusions cannot be drawn at this time.”
“Limited data” means there is in fact no evidence to support those conclusions.
The CDC Advisory Committee that recommended emergency use of the Moderna vaccine noted:
“the level of certainty for the benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was… type 4 (very low certainty) for the estimates of prevention of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and all-cause death.”
The CDC guidance to Covid vaccine administrators (January 2, 2021) asks:
Can a person who has received a Covid-19 vaccine still spread COVID-19? At this time, we do not know if COVID-19 vaccination will have any effect on preventing transmission.”
The World Health Organization (WHO) on January 26, 2021 similarly admitted:
We do not know whether the vaccines will prevent infection and protect against onward transmission.”
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ Interim...
This report describes the interim recommendation made by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on December 19, 2020, for use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in persons aged ≥18 years.
COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs for Healthcare Professionals
Information for Healthcare Providers, Pharmacists, and Other Vaccine Providers
The Moderna COVID-19 (mRNA-1273) vaccine: what you need to know
The WHO Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization has issued Interim recommendations for use of the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine against COVID-19 in people aged 18 years and older.
Moderna’s chief science officer was quoted in the British Medical Journal about the clinical trials in 2020 that resulted in the FDA’s decision to grant a EUA to the Moderna shot:
"Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission, because in order to do that you have to swab people twice a week for very long periods, and that becomes operationally untenable.”
Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...
Your quotes are cherry-picked single sentences or parts of sentences. Here is a longer segment from your CDC link:
The article was presenting evidence of the safety and efficacy of the vaccine to support its administration to the general public.
I see no reason to check the rest of your links.
The problem is that the justifications provided are based on misconceptions or lies, and the facts are out there that should allay the fears of any rational person.
It also does not help this argument of yours that you seek information from crackpots and ignore or denigrate actual experts.
Magdalena
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It’s only your opinion who are “actual experts.” Experts with a liberal agenda don’t inspire confidence in me.
Magdalena
Well-known member
Like CNN?
Authentic Nouveau
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So if you die, it counts as Covid Wuhan death
If you were jabbed, it counts as vaccine death.
If you were jabbed, it counts as vaccine death.
Authentic Nouveau
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Vaccination is fear driven.
You have little or zero medical science education.
Your people lie about my medical credentials.
Faithoverbelief
Well-known member
Yes. I am dubious about CNN and I fact check them.
Magdalena
Well-known member
They’ve already admitted to lying about Trump, covid, the election and Biden. Now they’re starting their campaign for climate change. Because, according to them, “fear sells.”
Reepicheep
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As of April 30, 2021, Canada has had 2 deaths attributed to a COVID vaccine out of 13.4 million total doses administered.
Extrapolating worldwide gives us 185 deaths out of 1.24 billion doses administered.
Extrapolating worldwide gives us 185 deaths out of 1.24 billion doses administered.
Gus Bovona
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If you could get those three lines down to 5, 7, and 5 syllables each, you'd have it! Haiku follow that number of syllables for their three lines. But at least you're working with the right number of lines. Here, I'll try:
Fear the jab.
Zero medical knowledge.
You lie about me.
No, actual experts are pretty easy to identify.
Infectious disease experts have degrees in that field, have trained in that field, have published scholarly papers in that field, and are recognized by the broader medical community as having expertise in that field.
People who are NOT actual experts on covid: Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, Scott Atlas, Robert Kennedy.
And how do you decide that actual experts are not to be trusted because of some liberal agenda? What exactly is a liberal agenda when it comes to an infectious disease that has become a pandemic? Do you think taking the disease seriously is a sign of a liberal agenda?
CNN tends to cite actual experts.
Fox does not.
I have not seen such admissions of lying from CNN about these very serious issues. Can you provide links? Quote-mines don't count.
LifeIn
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Sigh....... another "Foreign Affairs Intelligence Council" baseless claim. If people don't vet their sources before posting (as seems to be the case), we readers must do our part to vet the sources we swallow, hook, line, and sinker.Sigh...
Death rates skyrocket in Israel following Pfizer experimental COVID “vaccines”
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