Water Baptism in the Name of Jesus is Faith

What I'm saying is that holding to the same message as the apostle Peter and Paul is good. Anything less is incomplete, and you'll be accountable to God for something different. We are all accountable to God, and I'd rather do what he says than only partially. Jesus warned about the dangers of the traditions of men.
But then the Bible contradicts itself.

Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ”

John 1:12–13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Ephesians 1:13–14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

John 3:16–18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God


Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 16:30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 10:13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.


How do you reconcile your position given the above quoted verses that do not require baptism for salvation?

The Trinity is a manmade doctrine, not found in the Bible. There is one, Holy God, the Father, who was manifested in the flesh as the Son of God. Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God's presence acting upon and infilling people. God is Spirit.
Ah...so you do belong to a cult. The oneness pentecostal cult. The heresy of modalism. That makes all this clearer for me about you.

 
But then the Bible contradicts itself.

Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ”

John 1:12–13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Ephesians 1:13–14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

John 3:16–18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God


Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 16:30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Romans 10:13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.


How do you reconcile your position given the above quoted verses that do not require baptism for salvation?


Ah...so you do belong to a cult. The oneness pentecostal cult. The heresy of modalism. That makes all this clearer for me about you.


Have you seen the Trinitarian triangle? It is a cult symbol that is similar to the illuminati and masonic occult symbols. It certainly is not in the Bible. Jesus said to worship God in Spirit and in truth and all this idolatry and occult symbolism from the Trinity does not harmonize with what Jesus said.

What you've done is take a lot of verses that mention calling on the Lord and confession and believing. Calling on the Lord and believing is done when we repent and are baptized. Belief and faith is the basis for being born again. But being born again is not just a mind game. That cheapens the gospel.

The same chapter Peter said Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved", is the same chapter he preached Acts 2:38. Your job is to harmonize, not pick one verse over the other. You are already part of the way there by acknowledging that repentance is calling upon the Lord. Just keep going until you get the whole message Peter preached.
 
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Have you seen the Trinitarian triangle? It is a cult symbol that is similar to the illuminati and masonic occult symbols. It certainly is not in the Bible. Jesus said to worship God in Spirit and in truth and all this idolatry and occult symbolism from the Trinity does not harmonize with what Jesus said.
Says the modalist.
What you've done is take a lot of verses that mention calling on the Lord and confession and believing. Calling on the Lord and believing is done when we repent and are baptized.
That's not what the Scriptures I quoted state. Why do you mislead as you do...
Belief and faith is the basis for being born again. But being born again is not just a mind game. That cheapens the gospel.
God's grace, Christ's sacrifice on the cross are the basis for being born again.
The same chapter Peter said Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved", is the same chapter he preached Acts 2:38. Your job is to harmonize, not pick one verse over the other. You are already part of the way there by acknowledging that repentance is calling upon the Lord. Just keep going until you get the whole message Peter preached.
Read all those verses again and please quote any that state one must be baptized, that baptism is necessary to be saved.
 
Says the modalist.

That's not what the Scriptures I quoted state. Why do you mislead as you do...

God's grace, Christ's sacrifice on the cross are the basis for being born again.

Read all those verses again and please quote any that state one must be baptized, that baptism is necessary to be saved.

Do you even know what a "modalist" is?

Just look at the trinitarian triangle, the "Scutum Fidei", the creepy gothic symbol for yourself. Idolatry.

God's grace and Christ's sacrifice on the cross are the reason why the born again experience is even possible. You are trying to take the moral high ground here, but you are just deflecting from the fact that you have a different gospel that Peter and Paul.

Anyone can pick a handful of verses out of context and make any sort of false doctrine they want to and you've done it. Hasn't anyone told you that context is important when studying the Bible?

For example, after Peter said in Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved", what did he tell the same group of listeners to do (Acts 2:38-39)?

A sincere faith seeks to be obedient to God. Those disciples in Acts 19:1-6, who had partial knowledge of God's will were open to more when Paul taught them. Too many are stuck and don't want to move forward. You're stuck half-way between Martin Luther and the book of Acts.
 
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It certainly is easier having no accountability to anyone and not having to be consistent in serving others or anything for that matter that doesn't tickle your fancy at the moment.
If one has the mind of Christ, anointed of Gods same mind, Spirit -- serving others is an automatic and a 24-7 venture.

A tickled ear would follow your ways instead of His.
Even a porn addiction.
Seems that you have that problem? God can help with that if one will turn to His mind that is pure.
You and God are just an island that only other mortals could dream about.
I agree, but im not the only one who is an island or was an island, Jesus had no place to hang his head either, no place in the Inn of mans religious minds as you are trying to promote instead of the mind of Christ that God puts in man to be born of Him, born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16.

Moses was that same island. Abraham was, 120 was just as Jesus was. A man alone.

At Jesus trials and tribulations, not one, not a single one of his disciples came to be identified with him and flat out denied to be identified with him. Yes we are pretty much an island, for few who really does find His ways as Jesus did.

Truth is in 1 John 3, when you see Him as He really is ye shall be like Him, and I guarantee you that when, or IF, you ever do see Him as He is, you to will become that island and set apart from all those beliefs systems called denominations.

With the theology you have, you can hide your talents and feel great.
In Jesus theology, I stand on the rooftops and shout His talents openly for it is who I am in His anointing, Christ in me.

With the theology that you have to control your god, the ways of God in Christ to be His anointed has you locked up in all kinds of secret little sins that you think no one knows about yet you try and come across as holy.
 
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If one has the mind of Christ, anointed of Gods same mind, Spirit -- serving others is an automatic and a 24-7 venture.

A tickled ear would follow your ways instead of His.

Seems that you have that problem? God can help with that if one will turn to His mind that is pure.

I agree, but im not the only one who is an island or was an island, Jesus had no place to hang his head either, no place in the Inn of mans religious minds as you are trying to promote instead of the mind of Christ that God puts in man to be born of Him, born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16.

Moses was that same island. Abraham was, 120 was just as Jesus was. A man alone.

At Jesus trials and tribulations, not one, not a single one of his disciples came to be identified with him and flat out denied to be identified with him. Yes we are pretty much an island, for few who really does find His ways as Jesus did.

Truth is in 1 John 3, when you see Him as He really is ye shall be like Him, and I guarantee you that when, or IF, you ever do see Him as He is, you to will become that island and set apart from all those beliefs systems called denominations.


In Jesus theology, I stand on the rooftops and shout His talents openly for it is who I am in His anointing, Christ in me.

With the theology that you have to control your god, the ways of God in Christ to be His anointed has you locked up in all kinds of secret little sins that you think no one knows about yet you try and come across as holy.

Sounds like you're projecting. You have made yourself accountable to no one and your idea of serving 24x7 is saying "thank you" to gas station attendants. You probably are a cheapskate, right? What else you got, or just talk, talk talk?

Moses was like you when he was in the backside of the desert for 40 years after he killed the Egyptian. His last forty were filled with serving and leading others, even when it was contrary and difficult. You've run from responsibility and try to justify it by thinking you are Moses.

You are like a bragging baseball player that doesn't have a team! Because you are not accountable, you've developed an unrealistic view of your maturity towards God. Very unhealthy. You could be surprised by what God says to you on judgment day. Beware.
 
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Sounds like you're projecting.
I am indeed, projecting the ways of God in Christ
You have made yourself accountable to no one and your idea of serving 24x7 is saying "thank you" to gas station attendants.
Actually God has made me accountable to all men just as He made Jesus accountable to all men the very same way. He in me and I inHim are one just as Jesus was one in Him. See Jesus prayer to his God in John 17 for you to be one in Him as Jesus was as well.
You probably are a cheapskate, right?
Actually I have given my whole to everything God has given me. I suppose going into prisons for over 25 years and counseling inmates to have a better frame of mins that od Love, and hitting the streets of Fort Worh Tx clothing and feeding those in the streets who need help for over 30 years, giving away cars and vans to those who need a ride to work that I gave them they they might make it to work. I spent Yeats going into Cook Children's hospitals as clergy to pray for distraught parents whose kid was lying on a death bed. I saw some healed and I saw some die.

I suppose you would account that as a cheepskate in your hatred attitude for the love of God that is in some of us to walk as He walks in His same light.


What else you got, or just talk, talk talk?
Well I have the Love of God as my mind. that is why I did what I did that you hate so much and call it cheep actions.

Tell me of all the miracles that you have performed by God and lest see who is the cheapskate!
Moses was like you when he was in the backside of the desert for 40 years after he killed the Egyptian. His last forty were filled with serving and leading others, even when it was contrary and difficult. You've run from responsibility and try to justify it by thinking you are Moses.
I see. SO going into prisons, clothing and feeding the old and needy in rest homes, praying for the sick in hospitals, etc leading people to Gods anointing, Christ, is running from responsibility Gods commands?

Perhaps you can tell me how many you have lead out of the wilderness? Moses wa sonly able to lead two into that promised land, and I would almost wager you dont even have ONE! You are still in slavery to a belief system just as the Hebrew out from Egypt was. and what is ironic, they were still in slavery of a belief system just as you are of and never make it to that promised land that Jesus described in Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you. You are still looking for that promised land.

You are like the soldier in the trenches who prepares munitions for war but killed in the process just as the Hebrew out from Egypt did.
You are like a bragging baseball player that doesn't have a team!
Na just a witness for what it is to be of God as Jesus was a of God. Ill shout it from the rooftops that God is my Lord just as He was Lord over Jesus and Jesus obeyed.

But I do see why your ways would see His ways as such a bragging baseball player without a team LOL.
Because you are not accountable, you've developed an unrealistic view of your maturity towards God.
Everyone is accountable to God, even you, but your accountability leaves a lot to be desired for sure.
Very unhealthy.
The ways of God in Christ is always unhealthy to one as yourself who is of creeds of man instead of walking as He walks in His same light with the same signs following you, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect is out of your equation for sure.

You could be surprised by what God says to you on judgment day. Beware.
My judgment day was the day He came to me face to face just as He did in Adam who became like Him on his judgment day, Abraham who became like Him on his judgment day, Moses who became like Him on his judgment day, Jesus who became like Him on his judgment day so obvious in Matt 3:16, 120 became like Him on their judgment day, and in me on my judgment day when I top became like Him.

Beware? I am indeed, aware of you in your hatred for the ways of God in Love that I really fail to see you express Him here as a bragging baseball player with no team for sure!

You really should consider the ways of Jesus in Christ to be anointed of God yourself. You would be shouting His ways from the rooftops as well instead of seeing His ways as a bragging baseball player.

You are so elementary in knowledge of God. You wake the shallows of a beach of a very deep ocean but refuse to explore the debts to see what is there, and fear to explore it has you stymied. You just might loose your own life and gain His if you would.

So dont sit here as a god in judgment of me and God from your own iniquities to be like Him as Jesus was like Him!
 
I am indeed, projecting the ways of God in Christ

Actually God has made me accountable to all men just as He made Jesus accountable to all men the very same way. He in me and I inHim are one just as Jesus was one in Him. See Jesus prayer to his God in John 17 for you to be one in Him as Jesus was as well.

Actually I have given my whole to everything God has given me. I suppose going into prisons for over 25 years and counseling inmates to have a better frame of mins that od Love, and hitting the streets of Fort Worh Tx clothing and feeding those in the streets who need help for over 30 years, giving away cars and vans to those who need a ride to work that I gave them they they might make it to work. I spent Yeats going into Cook Children's hospitals as clergy to pray for distraught parents whose kid was lying on a death bed. I saw some healed and I saw some die.

I suppose you would account that as a cheepskate in your hatred attitude for the love of God that is in some of us to walk as He walks in His same light.



Well I have the Love of God as my mind. that is why I did what I did that you hate so much and call it cheep actions.

Tell me of all the miracles that you have performed by God and lest see who is the cheapskate!

I see. SO going into prisons, clothing and feeding the old and needy in rest homes, praying for the sick in hospitals, etc leading people to Gods anointing, Christ, is running from responsibility Gods commands?

Perhaps you can tell me how many you have lead out of the wilderness? Moses wa sonly able to lead two into that promised land, and I would almost wager you dont even have ONE! You are still in slavery to a belief system just as the Hebrew out from Egypt was. and what is ironic, they were still in slavery of a belief system just as you are of and never make it to that promised land that Jesus described in Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you. You are still looking for that promised land.

You are like the soldier in the trenches who prepares munitions for war but killed in the process just as the Hebrew out from Egypt did.

Na just a witness for what it is to be of God as Jesus was a of God. Ill shout it from the rooftops that God is my Lord just as He was Lord over Jesus and Jesus obeyed.

But I do see why your ways would see His ways as such a bragging baseball player without a team LOL.

Everyone is accountable to God, even you, but your accountability leaves a lot to be desired for sure.

The ways of God in Christ is always unhealthy to one as yourself who is of creeds of man instead of walking as He walks in His same light with the same signs following you, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect is out of your equation for sure.


My judgment day was the day He came to me face to face just as He did in Adam who became like Him on his judgment day, Abraham who became like Him on his judgment day, Moses who became like Him on his judgment day, Jesus who became like Him on his judgment day so obvious in Matt 3:16, 120 became like Him on their judgment day, and in me on my judgment day when I top became like Him.

Beware? I am indeed, aware of you in your hatred for the ways of God in Love that I really fail to see you express Him here as a bragging baseball player with no team for sure!

You really should consider the ways of Jesus in Christ to be anointed of God yourself. You would be shouting His ways from the rooftops as well instead of seeing His ways as a bragging baseball player.

You are so elementary in knowledge of God. You wake the shallows of a beach of a very deep ocean but refuse to explore the debts to see what is there, and fear to explore it has you stymied. You just might loose your own life and gain His if you would.

So dont sit here as a god in judgment of me and God from your own iniquities to be like Him as Jesus was like Him!

Faith and accountability is an ongoing walk. What you did years ago when you had a better attitude is one thing, but what have you done since you turned bitter?
 
Faith and accountability is an ongoing walk. What you did years ago when you had a better attitude is one thing, but what have you done since you turned bitter?
You mean what have I done sense I turned to the ways of Love for my God is Love and He resides within me.

You count His ways of Love as bitter, but for me is is a sweet smelling savor.

Why are you so bitter against being of Love? What has Love done to you that you would so hate me and Him who is of Love instead?
 
You mean what have I done sense I turned to the ways of Love for my God is Love and He resides within me.

You count His ways of Love as bitter, but for me is is a sweet smelling savor.

Why are you so bitter against being of Love? What has Love done to you that you would so hate me and Him who is of Love instead?


JUDE 1:16- 21

16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. 17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
 
You missed explaining why many people who God draws don't listen.

Sorry, that doesn't happen.
Please cite any Bible verse that teaches that God drew them, but they "didn't listen".

God wills that all men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved, but many don't.

That is very debatable.
You appear to be alluding to 1 Tim. 2:4, but you are ASSUMING that God wills "all individuals" be saved, but the passage does NOT say "all individuals". Quite the contrary, the context of 1 Tim. 2 is all people groups ("kings", "those in authority", etc. etc.)

Further, there are passages such as 2 Pet. 3:9, which many people holding your view misinterpret as being universal, when the context demonstrates that the statement is limited to "the beloved" (v.8), and "us-ward" (v.9, KJV).

Then there are logical inconsistencies to your view. If God wants everyone to be saved, then why aren't they? There are two possible conclusions. Either God is not omnipotent, and unable to accomplish His will, or else God TRULY doesn't will "everyone" to be saved, and your doctrine is in error.

Further, your view denies God's omniscience as well. Why would your god be so insane that He would desire everyone to be saved, when He already KNOWS that they won't be?

"Whosoever will"... What is missing in those that hear and don't listen?

Do you not realize that "Whosoever will" necessarily EXCLUDES those who "do not will"?

Are you implying that God didn't do enough for those that don't listen?

God doesn't owe anyone anything.
 
There is no scripture that says we do nothing to "cooperate in our salvation".

Except for all the "faith not works" passages (Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:1-6, 11::5-6, etc. etc.)
Except for the "slaves to sin" passages (John 8:34, Rom. 6:16-18).
Except for the "dead in trespasses and sins" passages (Eph. 2:1, Col. 2:13).

We are on the same topic. What you've done is clinically sterilize and disconnect grace and faith from scripture and reality. The Apostle Paul would be aghast at your superficial definition of grace and faith.

Worthless rhetoric duly noted.
You are the one denying Paul's teachings (see above).

If we do nothing to cooperate because God gives it to us, then you must answer to why all people are not saved.

The very easy and clear answer is that salvation is not "automatic".
One can only be saved if God regenerates them who are dead in sin and trespasses and sins.
God does not regenerated everyone, therefore not everyone is saved.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

You and your doctrinal associates have an extreme position that is not Christian.

Worthles rhetoric duly noted.
You are the one rejecting the Bible.

Paul and the apostles never taught that God forced his gift upon us if he chooses us but doesn't for other people.

"forced his gift"?
Yes, I remember many childhood Christmases were gifts were "forced" upon me.
What a ridiculous way to consider gifts.

The fact of the matter is that you don't understand the teachings of Paul (Rom. 8-9, Eph. 1-2, etc.), or Jesus (John 6:35-65) for that matter.

You've already run away from John 6:44, for instance.

A gift is not earned, but must be received. This is the part you are missing.

Where does the Bible EVER teach that God "giving", and us "receiving", are two separate things? NOWHERE, that's where. The are two different perspectives of the SAME action. Our receiving the gift is passive (we're dead in trespasses and sins, remember), not active. And the gift of salvation is not a tangible gift, for us to reach out and "pick it up"

You don't understand what a gift is.

Nope, YOU are the one who doesn't understand.

A gift or love must be willingly received,

Where does the Bible teach that?

not forced by someone who goes around our back and installs something in us we don't want. Think man!

Why would anyone not want salvation?
I was rewatching Titanic last night, and not one person "refused" to get on the boats and be saved.

To throw your own insulting words back in your face, "Think man!"
 
You seem to be hesitant to answer any questions. Let me ask you if you believe that repentance is necessary for salvation. Is it? Simple question.

No, it's not a simple question, it's a rigged question, designed to force opponents to your false view. It's also a very nuanced question.

I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between "correlation" and "causation".
There is a 100% correlation between repentance and salvation. All who are saved will have repented. But repentence does not "cause" our salvation.
 
Baptism is not a work we do to earn salvation. No one can be baptized and come to God unless God pulls that person to Himself (John 6:44).

Um, John 6:44 doesn't mention ANYTHING about "baptism".
Why do you hate God's word so much, that you feel the need (and the imaginary right) to twist it and misrepresent it?

Water baptism is something God gives—it is only possible because of His grace (Acts 5:31; 11:18). No one can be baptized unless God grants it. All of salvation, including baptism and faith, is a result of God drawing us, opening our eyes, and changing our hearts.

And why would anyone with a "changed heart" NOT want salvation?
Your false theology is ridiculous.

God’s longsuffering leads us to baptism (1 Peter 3:21), as does His kindness (Romans 2:4).

You didn't even read the verse, did you?
This verse is NOT about "water baptism":

1 Pet. 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

You really have no consistency when you say "faith alone" and not works but then say we must repent but exclude baptism.

Well, if you want to reject the Biblical doctrine of faith alone, then you need to actually ADDRESS Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Titus 3:5, Rom. 4:1-2, 4:5, 4:6, 11:5-6, etc. etc.

And then you have to explain to us why SO MANY Early Church Fathers also taught faith alone (link). In fact, the phrase, "faith alone" was not coined by Martin Luther, but by Ambrosiaster, Chryostom, and later used by Aquinas.

It was in Peter's message, was he wrong?

No, it was not Peter's message.
It is your MISINTERPRETATION of Peter's message.
Peter wasn't wrong. You are.
 
Sorry, that doesn't happen.
Please cite any Bible verse that teaches that God drew them, but they "didn't listen".



That is very debatable.
You appear to be alluding to 1 Tim. 2:4, but you are ASSUMING that God wills "all individuals" be saved, but the passage does NOT say "all individuals". Quite the contrary, the context of 1 Tim. 2 is all people groups ("kings", "those in authority", etc. etc.)

Further, there are passages such as 2 Pet. 3:9, which many people holding your view misinterpret as being universal, when the context demonstrates that the statement is limited to "the beloved" (v.8), and "us-ward" (v.9, KJV).

Then there are logical inconsistencies to your view. If God wants everyone to be saved, then why aren't they? There are two possible conclusions. Either God is not omnipotent, and unable to accomplish His will, or else God TRULY doesn't will "everyone" to be saved, and your doctrine is in error.

Further, your view denies God's omniscience as well. Why would your god be so insane that He would desire everyone to be saved, when He already KNOWS that they won't be?



Do you not realize that "Whosoever will" necessarily EXCLUDES those who "do not will"?



God doesn't owe anyone anything.

God is not a liar and you are implying he is by making his offer of salvation not universal. You undermine God's promises, free will, and personal responsibility. You would make God's offer insincere, a facade.
 
Um, John 6:44 doesn't mention ANYTHING about "baptism".
Why do you hate God's word so much, that you feel the need (and the imaginary right) to twist it and misrepresent it?



And why would anyone with a "changed heart" NOT want salvation?
Your false theology is ridiculous.



You didn't even read the verse, did you?
This verse is NOT about "water baptism":

1 Pet. 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,



Well, if you want to reject the Biblical doctrine of faith alone, then you need to actually ADDRESS Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Titus 3:5, Rom. 4:1-2, 4:5, 4:6, 11:5-6, etc. etc.

And then you have to explain to us why SO MANY Early Church Fathers also taught faith alone (link). In fact, the phrase, "faith alone" was not coined by Martin Luther, but by Ambrosiaster, Chryostom, and later used by Aquinas.



No, it was not Peter's message.
It is your MISINTERPRETATION of Peter's message.
Peter wasn't wrong. You are.
When Peter was asked a direct question on what they must do to be saved (Acts 2:37), he responded in Acts 2:38 with a direction and actionable response... Repent, baptism in the name of Jesus, and infilling of the Holy Spirit. Certainly Peter would not be welcome in your church.
 
No, it's not a simple question, it's a rigged question, designed to force opponents to your false view. It's also a very nuanced question.

I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between "correlation" and "causation".
There is a 100% correlation between repentance and salvation. All who are saved will have repented. But repentence does not "cause" our salvation.
You are blowing hot air by mincing words. "Except ye repent, ye shall likewise perish". How's that for clarity?
 
God is not a liar

I'm glad you finally figured that out.
(Also, kindly lose the condescending attitude. It's not Christian.)

and you are implying he is

Not at all.

by making his offer of salvation not universal.

The sad thing about just about every exchange I've seen you in, is that you seem to think you're God, that you're infallible and inerrant, and you have 100% perfect theology. There is no humility in you. There is no charity in you. I can only imagine that you drive people AWAY from the gospel when you "preach", or whatever it is you do.

There is no "offer" of salvation in the Bible.
The reason we are to repent is NOT because it is an "offer" of salvation.
It is a COMMAND, we are obligated to repent, because we are sinners.

You will not find ANYWHERE in the Bible where it refers to salvation as an "offer".

And salvation is not "universal", either.
Christ came to save HIS PEOPLE (not "everyone") from their sins (Matt. 1:21).
Christ came to save HIS SHEEP (not "everyone") (John 10:11,15).
Christ died for HIS CHURCH (not "everyone") (Acts 20:28).
Christ is not willing for any of HIS BELOVED (not "everyone") to perish (2 Pet. 3:8-9).

So maybe, just maybe, you don't have everything about theology 100% correct.
Maybe, just maybe, you should learn some Christian humility and charity, and lose the attitude.

You undermine God's promises,

Not at all.
Nothing but worthless rhetoric and worthless accusations by you.

free will,

Sorry, but "free will" is unBiblical.
We are either "slaves to sin" (John 8:34, Rom. 6:16-18) or "slaves to righteousness" (Rom. 6:16-18).

and personal responsibility.

Not at all.
Nothing but worthless rhetoric and worthless accusations by you.

You would make God's offer insincere, a facade.

No, because there is no "offer".
Your position is 100% unBiblical.
 
When Peter was asked a direct question on what they must do to be saved (Acts 2:37), he responded in Acts 2:38 with a direction and actionable response...

Your error here is in not being consistent with the WHOLE of Scripture.
I have no issue with Peter.
And once again (you keep IGNORING this, I wonder why?), you demonstrate an ignorance of the difference between correlation and causation.
And your "proof-text" isn't even about salvation, it's about receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. So you're not really paying attention, are you?

Repent, baptism in the name of Jesus, and infilling of the Holy Spirit. Certainly Peter would not be welcome in your church.

Are you intentionally being insulting, or does it just come naturally?
Either way, an insulting tone is most assuredly NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Take that how you will.

You are (yet again, as you always are) wrong. Peter would most CERTAINLY be welcome in my church.
 
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