What are the conservative

Bonnie

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Presbyterian churches in the US that do not allow women pastors or gay clergy? But do allow crosses in or on their churches. I went to a concert in Philadelphia once that was held in some version of a Presbyterian church that was so strict, no decorations of any kind d were allowed, not even crosses. They were seen as possible graven images. Too fanatical.

I am asking for a friend. Thanks.
 

Woody50

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Presbyterian churches in the US that do not allow women pastors or gay clergy? But do allow crosses in or on their churches.
Most of them, from what I know. Biblical, you know.
I went to a concert in Philadelphia once that was held in some version of a Presbyterian church that was so strict, no decorations of any kind d were allowed, not even crosses. They were seen as possible graven images. Too fanatical.
Is it? How?

I'd agree it takes things a bit too far, but how is it fanatical?
 

Bonnie

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Most of them, from what I know. Biblical, you know.

Is it? How?

I'd agree it takes things a bit too far, but how is it fanatical?
Not even allowing a cross on the roof? How is that not taking things a bit too far? Isn't that what "fanaticism" is?

The Presbyterian Church USA allows same sex marriages and women pastors. Not biblical. Therefore, liberal. But I did some research and found out the more conservative ones on my own. Thanks, anyway.
 
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Beloved Daughter

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Not even allowing a cross on the roof? How is that not taking things a bit too far? Isn't that what "fanaticism" is?

The Presbyterian Church USA allows same sex marriages and women pastors. Not biblical. Therefore, liberal. But I did some research and found out the more conservative ones on my own. Thanks, anyway.

Bonnie, the Presbyterian church has been evolving since it was founded by John Knox of Scotland. It has a very liberal wing, Presbyterian U S A and conservative wing Presbyterian Church America. Knox was very conservative. He spoke about not venerating Mary, the sin of belief in Purgatory, praying for the dead. He was not a contemporary of Martin Luther, except for both having been RCC Priests, their ages made that almost impossible.

The first pilgrims to America were Puritans. They brought the Geneva Bible with them. They believed in reformed theology. If you look at the Amish (and to a lesser extent, the Mennonites) they still live this way. They don't want to have their pictures taken, no musical instruments, shunning, etc.

I have included a site that speaks to the spartan living.

The Graven Image, the Idol, and the Cross | Pilgrim Ministry

This video is a series. I have it on Prime Video I don't expect you to watch it all.

They touch on every aspect of Amish life and later how they escaped it.


It shows sound only of a worship service. I would have have been snoring.....LOL. Martin Luther's fun and fiery exchanges is far more pleasing.

I know this doesn't answer your question completely but it's a start.

I'll make some calls to the PCA church around where I live and perhaps get some answers.

God Speed Sistah!
 

Bonnie

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Thanks BD, but it isn't necessary to ask around. The person who wanted to know if there are other true churches besides the RCC was being facetious. I told him I would be glad to meet with him on the APO board and give him the names of some denominations that were good, Bible-believing conservative churches that preach Christ crucified for sinners and raised from the dead for our justification. So far, he has not taken me up on it. I just wanted to be fair and give him other churches besides the LCMS and WELS churches and I think, the Conservative Episcopal Church.

I have read a lot about the Amish and the three main bodies in their church. I also lived near Philly for 6 years, where my husband had his first church, and we went fairly often out to Lancaster and the surrounding area.

I don't think it is wrong to have a cross in a church sanctuary. No one is bowing down to it or worshiping it. Some early Christian graves have markers with crosses on them, and I think, in the catacombs as well.
 
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Bonnie

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I kinda like the Amish, although they are very work-righteous. What I like best about them is the way they help each other, like rebuilding their homes or barns, providing funds for operations--things like that.

One former Amish made an interesting statement: "Uniformity is not unity."

I didn't hear a sermon though. I saw the re-enactment of a typical church service, but where is the sermon that we can only hear but not see? I saw one of the ministers preaching of some bible verses around the 13th minute--is that it? But I could see the whole service. Was it someplace else in the video? I can tell you that the singing would put ME to sleep! Give me "I Know that My Redeemer Lives" and "Crown Him with Many Crowns" any day of the week!
 
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