What are the Lutheran plans for Critical Race Theory.

[Authentic Nouveau]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

Racist comments deleted.

 

[Bonnie]

Actually, more like 97%. The vast majority of our church members are of German/Scandinavian descent, so, naturally, most are white. But there are still black members. My husband has guest-preached at two churches that are predominantly black.

And we have no "plans" about critical race theory, whatever you mean by that, except to condemn it. It is addressed in a newsletter here:

'Free to be Faithful' - Summer 2021 newsletter

Read about Title IX religious exemptions for colleges, critical race theory, abortion lawsuits, and more. (The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. LCMS.)

reporter.lcms.org

You will need to click "Read Newsletter" as I cannot cut and paste the link from this pdf file. But there is an article about CTR at the bottom of the page, where it is called a "destructive ideology," if I remember right, and how to deal with it in a Christ-centered manner.

But you may also find the following interesting, about a black woman, Rosa Young, and how my church helped to support her school and enable it to grow, in rural Alabama, in the early 1900's.

The First Rosa - The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod

Teacher, Confessor, Church Planter. The story of Rosa Young, the first Rosa, is set to be told in a new documentary produced by The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod.

www.lcms.org

Here is much more about her:

Rosa Young | Encyclopedia of Alabama

Known as the "mother of Black Lutheranism in central Alabama" and a strong advocate of education for rural children, Rosa Young (1890-1971) was instrumental in founding and promoting the development of Lutheran schools and congregations in Alabama's Black Belt. Rosa J. YoungRosa Jinsey Young...

encyclopediaofalabama.org

Our church has the largest church schools of K-12 grade of any Protestant church in the country, and they were integrated before public schools were.

So--why in the world would you think we want to KEEP our churches white?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Most American Lutheran congregations have zero non-whites.

Don't they invite people to church?

 

[Beloved Daughter]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

How can they keep it white?

Once again, you are showing a side of yourself that is uncharitable.

I'm a reformed believer, but I hold as precious, the legacy Martin Luther left to us. I've seen your objections before. So let's use your standard of truth. Have you been without errant beliefs, perfect hermeneutical exegesis, your motives are always pure? I don't believe that for a minute. I know that I can't even come close to that standard.

I don't see anything to be gained by attacking Lutherans. It comes across as a personal problem and even mean-spirited.

Your statement regarding non-white members is without merit. Study the issue and you will see that no Lutheran is objecting to people of color sitting in the pews with them.

My opinion is that your implication is egregious.

My sister Bonnie demonstrated how wrong you are.

1 Corinthians 13 tells us about charity (love) and the opposite, the clanging cymbols.

 

[Nic]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

How can they keep it white?

I read a couple of different definitions for this, would you please post yours so I can address your comment properly, thank you.

 

[Bonnie]

Most American Lutheran congregations have zero non-whites.

Don't they invite people to church?

Yes, of course we do. I have. But we cannot force anyone to come--can we?.

Now, what is this bit about critical race theory in our church? What does it have to do with anything in it? And why do you think we want to KEEP our churches white?

 

[Nic]

Most American Lutheran congregations have zero non-whites.

Don't they invite people to church?

There's an all black or predominantly black church in my synod within 20 miles of my home, not mention other ethnicities such as American Indian Assemblies exist elsewhere? My home church have people from all stripes of ethnic groups. I'm not really sure how that means anything. I also know of a small congregation overseas in a remote area that is entirely women. If by most, you mean 50.1% or higher, you may be right, I don't know, I've never been to one that was all white and on the other hand, I haven't been to most. I usually bring my old Southern Baptist friend who today is a Lutheran.

 

[Bonnie]

I read a couple of different definitions for this, would you please post yours so I can address your comment properly, thank you.

One of the best I have read on it was on the American Bar Associations website. But check out the link to the Reporter article I posted here to see what my Synod has to say about it, if you have not already.

 

[Theo1689]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

America is about 73% White (IIRC).
Between that, and the fact Bonnie mentioned that most are German/Scandinavian descent, you would expect a high number of White members.

But this is the problem with CRT, and a lack of understanding of the difference between
"equality of opportunity", and
"equality of outcome".

As long as the opportunity to become Lutheran is not blocked, what's the problem?
Did you want to FORCE Black people to become Lutheran, to make the percentages "better"?
I guess you don't believe in freedom of religion, huh? Gotta force people into certainly religions, to keep the numbers in the right proportions!

And since Islam has a high percentage of Black people, why don't harass them as well?

Will they lose non-profit status?

I don't see why they would.

How can they keep it white?

Um, Christians don't think skin colour is important in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe one day you'll share our view?

 

[Theo1689]

Yes, of course we do. I have. But we cannot force anyone to come--can we?.

Apparently Authentic Nouveau doesn't believe in "freedom of religion".
He wants to try to FORCE people into different denominations, to maintain proper "percentages".

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Do Lutherans not invite people to church?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Apparently Authentic Nouveau doesn't believe in "freedom of religion".
He wants to try to FORCE people into different denominations, to maintain proper "percentages".

What does that have to do with the thread and Lutheran's discrimination?

CRT is modeling expectations. I am not an advocate of CRT.

 

[Theo1689]

What does that have to do with the thread and Lutheran's discrimination?

What "discrimination"?

 

[Nic]

What does that have to do with the thread and Lutheran's discrimination?

CRT is modeling expectations. I am not an advocate of CRT.

I like to go on record for inviting to our church. 🙂

 

[Bonnie]

What does that have to do with the thread and Lutheran's discrimination?

WHAT "discrimination"? You have yet to prove any. My synod condemns racism of any sort.

CRT is modeling expectations. I am not an advocate of CRT.

Neither am I OR my synod. IF you had read my link to the Reporter epaper and the article about CRT in it, you would know that.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

Surely some colored person moves to a new town and visits a Lutheran church.

 

[Bonnie]

Surely some colored person moves to a new town and visits a Lutheran church.

Uh, "colored" person?

But you have yet to explain why you think we want to "keep" our church white. OR what CRT is supposed to mean to us.

And nearly all the Lutheran churches I have belonged to or attended when visiting from out of town have black people in them.

 

[BJ Bear]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

Racist comments deleted.

I just found this thread.

Since everyone came from Adam what has the notion of "race" to do with anything Christian? Since Jesus is the Savior of all men what has the notion of "race" to do with anything Christian?

It is the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is not the mission of the church to spread the latest fashionable idea.

 

[BJ Bear]

In America the pitch white denomination is running 99% whites.

Will they lose non-profit status?

Racist comments deleted.

Just a bit of trivia, roughly half or more of the Lutheran's in the world are in Africa. The gospel of Jesus Christ goes and flourishes where and when God wills it.

 

[Bonnie]

Just a bit of trivia, roughly half or more of the Lutheran's in the world are in Africa. The gospel of Jesus Christ goes and flourishes where and when God wills it.

Interesting...my church does have flourishing missions in Africa and even a seminary there, in Nigeria, I think it is. A former pastor of ours once taught at that seminary for 4 months, after his retirement.