You said billions of people are lost on the belief of "faith only". Now you're moving the goalposts? Yes. Of course faithful members perform proxy ordinances.Apparently, you are not aware of the work for the dead. Since Baptism is a legal requirement, someone has to do it and the dead can't, so; I believe it is something that "as members of the Church" we need to worry about.
Good to know. Heaven forbid anyone attempt using logic and reasoning against the groupthink of Christianity.
Sounds like atheist reasoning in Christian clothing.
Your rhetoric or mine?Rhetoric aside and in brief...
The intended meaning of keep? Don't you think it's the other way around? That "keep" amplifies the meaning fo the word, "guard or watch over"?Guard or watch over amplifies the intended meaning,
It appears to change the initial or problematic understanding of the translators. Maybe you should contact them and tell them they messed it up. If it amplifies the meaning, please, tell me how it is amplified by a word that the translators, who are scholars, used. I really want to know. This appears to be a great mystery.it only changes your initial and problematic understanding;
It seems that you have checked out an amplified version, but are unable to explain exactly how it's amplified.Go check out an amplified version and see for yourself
This is a discussion forum
False. A better statement would be, No one keeps all of the commandments perfectly. But if you're talking about the 10 commandments, I keep all of them.no one keeps the commandments
The law is completely different than the commandments. The Law came in two parts, sacrifices made for sins that have been fulfilled and are no longer performed and a list of crimes and the punishments for committing those crimes. The commandments are a list of things that if we do, we can come to know God, according to 1 John 2:3.when the topic of the law surfaces and finger pointing begins, everyone is guilty.
I realize you do, but it seems that asking questions to find out what you think is rarely answered.I believe you.
How would you know?Translation: it contradicts my LDS theology, so I don't want to deal with it.
Aren't you willfully ignorant of LDS theologies?I certainly AM "Willfully Ignorant" of his (Joseph Smith's) garbage.
Follow Christ - that sounds a lot having faith.There is. That law is follow Christ. Period.
I agree. It sounds like your trying to describe "having faith".The work itself does not save us, but if the work is not done, you can't be saved. Look at it this way, the work qualifies us for salvation. You cannot be saved if you are not baptized. PERIOD. But getting baptized does not save you. You cannot be exalted if you are not married, but getting married does not save you. It is necessary to enter through the door to get inside the house but you don't have to stay inside the house. You can leave any time you want. Only those in the house will be saved, metaphorically speaking.
Yet, you seem to have no problem creating contention. Does this mean you're not saved?
That was not the context of my statement. I was talking about the billions who have died without a knowledge of Christ.You said billions of people are lost on the belief of faith only.
I don't think so. Let me check. I know I did once already but maybe it changed somehow.No you're moving the goalposts?
I don't see faith only anywhere in my statement. Faith only, would require people who have some knowledge of Christ in order to have this erroneous doctrine. As I said before, there is no such thing as faith alone. The point of my statement is about people who never knew, from infancy to old age they never heard the name of Jesus Christ. If this horrible doctrine is true, then it was God's fault that they didn't hear it. So, through no fault of their own, they would be condemned to damnation.I also noticed that you completely blew off my statement in this post that there is a difference between those who will be saved and those who won't and the question is, what is that difference? If anyone seriously believes that only those who say "I believe" are those who will be saved, then we truly live in a horrible world and God made it that way. There are so so many good people who will, based on this horrible idea, be lost simply because they believed something else, but were still good people. The idea is ludicrous and is absolutely not just and these are the ones we know about. There are billions upon billions of people who never even heard the words, Jesus Christ, who, through no fault of their own will be damned by such an idea.
So, no, I'm not moving the goal-posts. You just don't know where the goalposts are.No you're moving the goalposts? Yes.
That's for darn sure. Maybe if you didn't write a paragraph for every one of my sentences it would be easier to follow.So, no, I'm not moving the goal-posts. You just don't know where the goalposts are.