brotherofJared
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That is obviously not true.
What degree of obedience qualifies for salvation?
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brotherofJared
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No. That's not what you said. I quoted exactly what you said and you can link back to it to see what you said, everyone can link back to it.
Hmmm. Maybe that's not true. Let's see.
brotherofJared
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Yea. @Bob Carabbio isn't really following the argument.
Bob Carabbio
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There is not "Argument" to follow. just meaningless LDS foolishness.
brotherofJared
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Or Maybe, Just maybe, you have no clue what you're talking about. What sin can a 3-year-old or for that matter a 2-day old infant do?
Well, if your Bible says that, then I'm sorry, but your idea of what's in there would be repulsive to me.
But then again, you're not a Mormon, so it's no wonder you believe the repulsive doctrines you do.
brotherofJared
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As I said, you make it more evident with every post. You should stop soon. I'll help. You can have the last word. I promise. For today anyway.
brotherofJared
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I'm not doing it to make it more difficult to follow. I'm so sorry that creates a problem for you, but I'm not going to stop doing it. I want to make sure that my points go to the sentence, phrase, or specific point that I'm addressing
Then don't respond to them. You said, the members of the church don't have to worry about people who haven't heard the gospel, but clearly, we do have to worry about it. If you felt that was a tangent, you shouldn't have responded.
Now, lets see if we can get back to the subject and stop discussing how I post.
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Theo1689
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You'd have to ask God.
Being 3-years-old was so far ago that I can't remember what sins I committed back then.
But you continue to confirm that Mormons REJECT the Bible.
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I guess "all" doesn't REALLY mean "all", in SLC or Boise, huh?
Yes, I already know that the Bible is repulsive to Mormons.
Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Nic
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TrollYour rhetoric or mine?
The intended meaning of keep? Don't you think it's the other way around? That "keep" amplifies the meaning fo the word, "guard or watch over"?
It appears to change the initial or problematic understanding of the translators. Maybe you should contact them and tell them they messed it up. If it amplifies the meaning, please, tell me how it is amplified by a word that the translators, who are scholars, used. I really want to know. This appears to be a great mystery.
It seems that you have checked out an amplified version, but are unable to explain exactly how it's amplified.
Of course, it is, but you don't seem to be discussing much. You certainly aren't amplifying anything that you claim is amplified.
False. A better statement would be, No one keeps all of the commandments perfectly. But if you're talking about the 10 commandments, I keep all of them.
The law is completely different than the commandments. The Law came in two parts, sacrifices made for sins that have been fulfilled and are no longer performed and a list of crimes and the punishments for committing those crimes. The commandments are a list of things that if we do, we can come to know God, according to 1 John 2:3.
The only commandment that comes with a consequence is Honor thy Father and thy Mother that thy days may be long upon the land. None of them have a penalty associated with them outside of secular law. But they are given that we might draw closer to God and learn more from him.
I realize you do, but it seems that asking questions to find out what you think is rarely answered.
You win quote of the day Aaron!!!!!
Magdalena
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If you haven’t noticed, many try to have actual enlightening discussions. But then we get responses like the ones you’ve described from your fellow Mormon.
If you want meaningful discussions, stay and participate in them.
rossh
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well, 1 verse at a time is not good scripture as there were no verse numbering at the time of writing.... We say just about anything we like by using single verses, one at a time.
brotherofJared
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If that is true, then why are you insisting that a 3-year-old can commit a sin. It's not possible.
If a man kills another man, normally, that would be considered a sin, as in the case with Cain who killed for gain. But if the man kills another person to prevent that person from killing him, is that a sin? It's the same action. What's the difference between the two? That difference is what separates the actions of a child from sin. It is inconceivable to the child what he's doing or why he's doing it. The child is innocent. He is not aware of right or wrong, ambition. It doesn't occur to him to ask because he doesn't comprehend ownership. He just takes. Paul made a reference to this, even though he was aware of his actions, he justified them out of ignorance. 1 Tim 1:13, Paul received mercy because it was ignorant and didn't believe. That mercy covers little children.
And you know what, all of us are saved through mercy. But the child doesn't need to ask for it. It is already a given since he has no concept of right or wrong. At the same time, we don't believe a man can be saved in ignorance. Therefore, all these must be taught the gospel so they can accept it just like you or I did. My point was to @Aaron32 on a common point of doctrine, work for the dead. This is what I said,
It was directed at @Aaron32 You took it to add your two cents about LDS doctrine and you failed. God chose the time and place that every person would be born into the world. He chose to place them in countries and at times when the gospel wasn't preached. He also takes children away from us quite frequently before they are old enough to understand and even worse, allows men to abuse them to death in such a way that the innocent being never had hope, much less heard the cause for hope. God did all that, so to condemn them because they didn't believe or have faith is a horrible doctrine and I don't believe any of you teach it. You go with the attitude that God will know what they would have done if they lived to adulthood. That's absurd, IMO. God is choosing for them? The ideas get more ridiculous all the time. We believe that God teaches them what we know and with their life experience, after having matured in thought, they get to decide what they will do on the same basis that you and I get to decide.
That's what we teach. That's what we believe. That is what I believe a just being would do.
brotherofJared
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brotherofJared
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It's easy to pick on the person who no one has the answers to the questions he's asking. It seems that all this would be avoided if you all would just answer the questions instead of playing games about how a person responded, counting the number of sentences he chooses to make a reply to or trying to dictate when he should respond in a public forum.
May I remind you all, that the OP
Provides this verse and that makes it the topic. Now children, I suggest you stop bickering and fighting and just answer the questions.
Nic
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No, you love the argument for apparent sport without serious dialogue.
Theo1689
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Please PROVE "it's not possible".
Scripture teaches that ALL have sinned.
Why do you CONTRADICT Scripture, and teach, "NOT all have sinned"?
Aaron32
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I think the key word is "try". I have no doubt, many people "try" to have enlightening discussions. Yet, IMO the fail ratio is extremely high.
For me, the juice simply isn't worth the squeeze.
brotherofJared
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I see. The scriptures say all have sinned, and so an infant who was aborted by its mother has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. You swallow that cow without even thinking about it. But when it comes to baptism being a requirement to enter the kingdom of God, you have a new version of it. It can't possibly mean that. When the scriptures say you must have faith in Christ, Believe in Christ or you cannot be saved and you believe that, swallow that one whole, that is unless the person who claims he believes in Christ is a Mormon, then it doesn't count. You claim that the Bible teaches that faith alone saves, but this child that was aborted never got a chance to have faith. The 3-year-old, never got a chance to have faith, to even know who to have faith in. They are sinners and have fallen short and they can't possibly have faith. That demise is not their fault, it was God's fault. And you are okay with that? You're okay that that sinner got the shaft from God and can never be saved because he never had faith.
I guess that's okay if that's what you believe.
Sorry Theo, I don't believe children can sin. They are born with the taint of Adam's transgression. The only consequence of that transgression is physical death and that's the only burden they have to carry. It's a burden we all have to carry.