That simply is true. If for nothing else, you expect to be saved, do you not?That's simply not true.
That's just not true. You expect to be saved. Would you grab the life ring if you didn't expect to be saved? If you didn't believe it would save you?I do good things "BECAUSE I believe", and I have no expectation of a reward for what I do.
Gratitude for what? For being saved? That's the cart leading the horse. You haven't been saved. You're still here and you still have temptations and you might run into an issue where you decide that God double-crossed you and all your gratitude was for nothing. You don't know your future, no one does. You might go through life with a twinkle in your eye only to find out in the end that the Mormons were right and then what? Will you still have that twinkle in your eye?That's not WHY I do them. I don't do them "for reward". I do them out of gratitude.
Here's the thing, show me in the scriptures where it says that if I do good works for the wrong reason, I'm going to hell and I'll accept that. EDIT divisive , tell me how that will work in your faith-alone theology. Whatever you do, you do in gratitude, no matter what it is, right? Praise God. You walk in the newness of life.
Sorry, I disagree. It sounds nice, but it makes no sense.
I'm not familiar with the movie but the principle is common. I think it fails because Jacopo serves one person and those who are saved by Christ serve everyone. Of course, that may not be how you see it. That's the first problem, the second is that the gratitude is for services rendered already and therefore, he has committed to pay for something that he has already received. You haven't received salvation yet. You won't receive it if you don't endure to the end. Do you see the difference?I think a good example is from the movie, "The Count of Monte Cristo (2002)". When Zatara saves Jacopo's life in the knife fight, Jacopo pledged, "I am your servant forever." He didn't do so out of "an expectation of reward", but merely out of gratitude.
I know. I know. Of course, you've been saved already, right? People who believe that are living in a fantasy world.
Then you'll not be disappointed when you found out you were wrong.I guess that puts Christians in a better position than Mormons, doesn't it?
You expect "rewards" for your good works; we don't.
You're wrong.In my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong), Mormons don't have a "hell" in their theology.
He qualifies if he reaches for the life ring.I can just see it now... A lifeguard is sitting high atop his chair, with full view of the olympic-sized swimming pool. Suddenly he sees someone drowning, and blows his whistle to get everyone else out of the pool. Now the lifeguard has to do some sort of "assessment" to determine whether the drowning man "qualifies" for salvation.
I didn't think reasonable argument would last long, but at least we know that you all are capable.
Last edited by a moderator: