What degree of obedience qualifies for salvation?

[Fenuay]

This is the Mormonism forum.
So your question is off-topic.
Further, I really have no further desire to interact with you since you intentionally misrepresent other posters.

Let's get back to discussing MORMONISM.

I didn't intentionally misrepresent others. I truly don't understand him. But wow. Ok. I liked you and respected you. But that's fine. You don't have to discuss with me.

 

[shnarkle]

Prove it?

Yes. Prove your claim.

What do you want me to do type out each passage you mentioned?

No. I want you to prove your claim. You're welcome to use the passages I mentioned, but you need to connect the dots with your claim.

 

[Fenuay]

Again, you are incapable of comprehending what I've posted. All who are saved are saved in their own order according to God's plan of salvation. I'm merely pointing out that God explicitly states that the new covenant is for the explicit purpose of obeying his commandments, and that those who don't can't be under that new covenant.

Again, the author of Hebrews points out that Christ's sin covers those under "the first testament". Hebrews 9:15

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

Notice that those who "WERE" under the first testament, but are no longer under that testament are the ones who are called to receive this promise of eternal inheritance. There is no mention ANYWHERE of those who are under the New Covenant continuing to transgress God's commandments. Christ reigns with an iron rod.

Well ok. I don't get what you are saying. I'm sorry if I misrepresented you. Maybe I'm stupid, I don't know. But as Theo said this is the Mormonism forum so we can just talk about that.

 

[Fenuay]

Yes. Prove your claim.

No. I want you to prove your claim. You're welcome to use the passages I mentioned, but you need to connect the dots with your claim.

I don't know what you mean. But we need to discuss Mormonism.

 

[Theo1689]

I didn't intentionally misrepresent others.

You said, "according to what [he] believed..."
And then I asked you if you really believed he believed that.
Then you said, "no".
That is intentional misrepresentation.

It's misrepresentation because it's NOT what he believes.
It's intentional because you KNEW (and admitted) that he didn't believe that.

I liked you and respected you. But that's fine.

And that ends because I rightly rebuked and corrected you?
Whatever...

 

[Fenuay]

You said, "according to what [he] believed..."
And then I asked you if you really believed he believed that.
Then you said, "no".
That is intentional misrepresentation.

It's misrepresentation because it's NOT what he believes.
It's intentional because you KNEW (and admitted) that he didn't believe that.



And that ends because I rightly rebuked and corrected you?
Whatever...

I misunderstood him. Maybe I'm stupid. Sorry. I apologized to him. I said I didn't think he was going to say that he believes that but it sounded to me like that's what he believes. And no it doesn't end. I'm just going to be quiet about it since as you said this is the Mormonism forum. Quite honestly it just hurts my feelings that you would assume I was intentionally misrepresenting him to be hurtful. I thought you knew me better than that. I was just trying to understand.

 

[Theo1689]

Quite honestly it just hurts my feelings that you would assume I was intentionally misrepresenting him

You ADMITTED to it!

to be hurtful.

I didn't do it "to be hurtful".

I thought you knew me better than that. I was just trying to understand.

You've been on this forum less than a month.
I remember reading maybe fewer than 10 posts by you.
I barely know you.
What exactly am I supposed to know about you?

 

[Fenuay]

You ADMITTED to it!



I didn't do it "to be hurtful".



You've been on this forum less than a month.
I remember reading maybe fewer than 10 posts by you.
I barely know you.
What exactly am I supposed to know about you?

You knew me before as Lishka. But it doesn't matter. I didn't mean to misrepresent anyone. I'm not very good with words apparently. Again I'm sorry.

 

[shnarkle]

Yes. Prove your claim.

No. I want you to prove your claim. You're welcome to use the passages I mentioned, but you need to connect the dots with your claim.

Let me show you what I mean:

Ezekiel 36:26 "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM."

This is the explicitly stated purpose of the new covenant. God will make them obedient. Is God making you obedient? According to your own admission, this plainly isn't the case at all. Therefore you are not under this covenant. God has not placed his law inside your heart yet. You're just like anyone else who has yet to receive this new heart.

Again, those who do receive this new heart "shall keep [God's] judgements, and do them"


That is what separates the Old Covenant from the New. The Old Covenant could never prevent anyone from sinning. Even the sacrificial system couldn't keep people from sinning, yet it is Christ's sacrifice which does exactly that to those who are able to receive him, and become a new creation created for good works.

 

[Theo1689]

You knew me before as Lishka.

How am I supposed to know that? I don't remember you ever mentioning it.
And with all due respect, while I barely remember the nick, I couldn't tell you anything about who you were as a poster.

But it doesn't matter. I didn't mean to misrepresent anyone.

Okay, then let's start over.
In another discussion forum.

 

[shnarkle]

Well ok.

Good enough I guess. I'll just bow out if no one wants to back up their claims anymore.

 

[Fenuay]

Let me show you what I mean:

Ezekiel 36:26 "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM."

This is the explicitly stated purpose of the new covenant. God will make them obedient. Is God making you obedient? According to your own admission, this plainly isn't the case at all. Therefore you are not under this covenant. God has not placed his law inside your heart yet. You're just like anyone else who has yet to receive this new heart.

Again, those who do receive this new heart "shall keep [God's] judgements, and do them"


That is what separates the Old Covenant from the New. The Old Covenant could never prevent anyone from sinning. Even the sacrificial system couldn't keep people from sinning, yet it is Christ's sacrifice which does exactly that to those who are able to receive him, and become a new creation created for good works.

Good enough I guess. I'll just bow out if no one wants to back up their claims anymore.

I'm not opposed to backing up my claims. I'm sorry for misrepresenting you and I think we need to stay on topic for this forum of Mormonism as Theo said.

 

[shnarkle]

I'm not opposed to backing up my claims.

What effective difference is there when they aren't backed up? Obviously you have no intention of backing them up so I will simply bow out of the discussion. I was simply addressing what you posted, and asking you to back it up. Again, I'm bowing out of the discussion before someone decides to ban me.

 

[Fenuay]

What effective difference is there when they aren't backed up? Obviously you have no intention of backing them up so I will simply bow out of the discussion. I was simply addressing what you posted, and asking you to back it up. Again, I'm bowing out of the discussion before someone decides to ban me.

Ok