What do you think of this thing I heard a priest say once?

JonHawk

JonHawk

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"My yoke is easy and my burden is light."
stjerome5 said:
totally agree..

itt is admittedly hard to do ALL Jesus said... but some do notseem to even try... my experience 4 what it's worth
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Some like to swim against the current.

His commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world.
And the testimony is this: God has given us eternal life [we have already partaken of], this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:1-11
 
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Nondenom40

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stjerome5 said:
what does that have to do with God owing or not owing us anything?

by the way, God knows He owes us help bc He knows how FALLEN we are... how utterly lost.. human fathers "owe" their children help... because the child is "clueless" without tht help

so knowing we need help God gave us Jesus... :)

and if we only knew how much Jesus helps us... well... some of us forget, sadly... :( but

blessed thing... then we remember again... (in the Real Presence especially)
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When you owe someone you are indebted to that person. God is not indebted to us and fathers are not indebted to their children. What God does and what fathers/mothers do is out of love, not indebtedness. If those are the terms you think in, then i feel sorry for you. Doing something because you owe someone something isn't based on love. I doubt you pay your credit card bill each month out of love. God doesn't owe us because we are fallen. Read John 3:16 lately?

For God 'owed' the whole world...? Makes sense huh?
 
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stjerome5

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JonHawk said:
"My yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Some like to swim against the current.

His commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world.
And the testimony is this: God has given us eternal life [we have already partaken of], this life is in His Son.
1 John 5:1-11
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i am not believing you if you are saying that you never have a hard time obeying or adhering to such things as... i dunno...
love your neighbor as yourself

Do you give to your neighbor what u give to yourself? I have never met anyone who did that very well, if at all...
 
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stjerome5

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Nondenom40 said:
When you owe someone you are indebted to that person. God is not indebted to us and fathers are not indebted to their children. What God does and what fathers/mothers do is out of love, not indebtedness. If those are the terms you think in, then i feel sorry for you. Doing something because you owe someone something isn't based on love. I doubt you pay your credit card bill each month out of love. God doesn't owe us because we are fallen. Read John 3:16 lately?

For God 'owed' the whole world...? Makes sense huh?
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just bc God "owes us" for lack of a better way to put it does not mean he is indebted to us..

And again, what kind of loving father puts us in the world, knowing how UGLY and hateful it is... and refuses us to help us because He doesn't owe us anything?

you can think that makes sense, but it does not make sense to some of us..
 
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balshan

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stjerome5 said:
i am not believing you if you are saying that you never have a hard time obeying or adhering to such things as... i dunno...
love your neighbor as yourself

Do you give to your neighbor what u give to yourself? I have never met anyone who did that very well, if at all...
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Yes RCs prove on these threads everyday that they have no understanding at all of what loving their neighbour is. I mean your first example is you bearing false witness which breaks the commandment to love your neighbour.
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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stjerome5 said:
just bc God "owes us" for lack of a better way to put it does not mean he is indebted to us..

And again, what kind of loving father puts us in the world, knowing how UGLY and hateful it is... and refuses us to help us because He doesn't owe us anything?

you can think that makes sense, but it does not make sense to some of us..
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What is it you think God owes you? And can you provide some scripture for that?
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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balshan said:
God owes us nothing, but even though we are unworthy He will honour His word. Unfortunately RCC likes to throw most of it under the bus.
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It just seems like a horribly arrogant statement...God owes us. Paul makes a similar argument that if we are fallen and sinful (according to stjerome5) why are we under His wrath? He owes us right?

Romans 3
5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking from a human viewpoint.) 6 Far from it! For otherwise, how will God judge the world? 7 But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?
 
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