What does it mean to "be saved"?

HillsboroMom

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Remember your rant on the abortion board about denying "communion" sacrament for pro-deather Catholics?

 

Authentic Nouveau

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
I take you are a Bible outsider. Nicodemus asked that question and Jesus answered. I suspect you are shopping for a different source than Jesus for the answer.
 

Mike McK

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"?
It means that our guilt is imputed to Christ and His righteousness imputed to us and the wrath of God is satisfied.
Saved from what?
God's wrath.
For what?
His glory.
What is required to "be saved"?
Repentance and faith in Christ's vicarious atoning sacrificial death.

For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism"

Nope. Baptism is for those who are already saved and only makes you wet.

"the sinner's prayer,"

Repentance and faith is what saves. The sinner's prayer can be a way to express repentance and faith, but there's nothing magic about the words and many of us feel that the sinner's prayer has taken on an almost superstitious, ritualistic meaning that gives people who are not saved the false hope of salvation.

Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

No, one cannot lose their salvation because they didn't earn their salvation, didn't choose their salvation, and don't hold their salvation.
Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?
Depends what you mean by "Christians". We sometimes use "Christian" and "born again" or "saved" interchangeably, when they're really not the same thing at all.

There are many people in the church who are not saved.

As Adrian Rogers said, "The Devil would just as soon you go to Hell from a church pew as from a barstool".
For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"?
Entry into the Church, sound doctrine.
Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?
The Bible tells us to discern and then gives us criteria by which to discern.
And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer
Not my problem. Everybody may have scripture, but that doesn't mean everybody is rightly applying scripture.
even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
Because mine employs sound hermeneutics and can be corroborated.
 

Furion

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
It is the point where one passes from death to life. When God gives you the deposit of inheritance that will never be rescinded.

I don't have a version.

It's not up to anyone else, it's between a man or woman and the Lord.

What is clear is that those who have rejected Christ, like the modern atheist, is not saved. With their own mouth they declare it.
 

HillsboroMom

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It is the point where one passes from death to life. When God gives you the deposit of inheritance that will never be rescinded.
First of all, Furion, thank you for your succinct and well-stated answers!

Secondly, when does this happen? Does this happen at baptism, when God claims a child as God's own? Does this happen at the end of a person's life, when they die and have fulfilled their duties? At some other time?


What is clear is that those who have rejected Christ, like the modern atheist, is not saved. With their own mouth they declare it.
So if I understand you correctly, a person who is "agnostic," who has neither rejected nor accepted Christ, can be saved? Like, let's say a person was raised by atheist parents. They never declare "with their own mouth," as you say, that there is no god and no Christ. But they never accept Jesus as their personal Lord and savior, either. Is that person saved? Why or why not?
 

Slyzr

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?

Saved from what?

I've often wondered about such.

Saved for not living?
 
Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
Why so many questions? Why not just one question? Or maybe two questions or less? Who are you asking? Atheists? Christians? Both? Neither? Why are you asking? Do you need the answers right away? Is it very important that you get the answers? Does your life depend on getting the answers? Or is your inquiry merely academic?

Anyway, the word "saved" appears in the NKJV New Testament 58 times. Mark 16:16, for example, tells us:

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
So if you are a baptized believer, you get a ticket to heaven. On the other hand, if you don't qualify, then the consequences are dire as we read in Revelation 20:15:
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Now, all "true" Christians are saved, but the phonies won't make it. In Matthew 7 we read:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So salvation is tricky business. You can be sure you're going to heaven only to end up in hell!

As far as "true" Christianity is concerned, that's anybody's guess, but no doubt it involves belief in the Bible God and recognizing Christ as his son.
 

e v e

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
being saved is at the Change to our original imperishable being lost after the fall…

not all believers are going to the Change. Some will suffer trib.

kjv is a corrupt text.

i’ll start there.
 

Gary Mac

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I know if some one gives you their love ......

it is their love they are giving.
Agreed -- and it isnt an emotion as in an intense feeling of deep affection or a great interest and pleasure in something, or a person or thing that one loves.

Love is giving up the right to yourself and your own desires and needs to help those in need. Not to say Love cant spawn emotion, for it can indeed. The gift of God is to have His same disposition giving self over to the needs of the other. And it isnt someting we try and do, it is who we become and only then will these things become the natural instead of an effort.

It is easy to say you love -- but it is another matter to actually give up the needs of your own life for the needs of the other.
 

Gary Mac

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being saved is at the Change to our original imperishable being lost after the fall…
No man is born with the SPirit of God an live in His kingdom. Not even Jesus, he didnt know God or His heaven until he was about 30 years old. This is when his own life teaching the laws in the temple fell and he became like God to know this difference. See Matt 3:16. This is when he was restored to become like God to know Him.

Being saved is God manifest in you that you become like Him and in His same image, which is SPirit, Love. Man is the temple of Him.
not all believers are going to the Change. Some will suffer trib.
Agreed some are waiting for God to restore such as a place called Eden and go to the grave never having been restored to His kingdom as Abraham was, Moses was, Jesus was in matt 3:16, 120, and all today who has been restored to be in His same image.
kjv is a corrupt text.
In many ways.
i’ll start there.
 

Theo1689

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Good questions:

Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

We are all sinners (Rom. 3:23).
The wages of sin is "death" (Rom. 6:23), more specifically eternal condemnation in hell.
To be "saved" is to be saved from that condemnation, and graciously instead receive eternity in heaven.

What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

For full disclosure, I come from a Reformed perspective, my church holding to the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689. We believe in the 5 solas ("Sola Fide", "Sola Gratia", "Sola Scriptura", "Solus Christus", and "Soli Deo Gloria")

We are saved by grace, through faith, from the atoning work of Christ on the cross.

So "what is required to be saved"? That is the main message of the New Testament, that we are to learn that we cannot keep the Law, and that we can do nothing in our selves to "become" saved (Rom. 3:19-20). The Law is given, not to save us, but to convict us of our sin, and to lead us to Christ (Gal. 3:24-25).

What is "required" to be saved? All the "requirements" come from GOD:
- God must predestine us (Rom. 8);
- God must elect/choose us (Eph. 1);
- God must regenerate us (John 3:3);
- God must draw us (John 6:44)
- God must give us faith (Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, etc.);
- God must give us repentance (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim. 2:25);

As the saying goes, "Salvation is WHOLLY of the Lord."

And the question inevitably comes in, "what about works"? Well, works don't save us, they are the witness or "fruits" of someone who is ALREADY saved (Eph. 2:10, Phil. 2:13). We are saved UNTO good works.

You mention "baptism". But since salvation isn't by works (Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:1-6, Rom. 11:5-6, etc. etc.), being baptized neither guarantees salvation, nor does lack of salvation condemn you. Since salvation involves God changing our hearts to love Him, most will obey His command and be baptized, even though it's not "required" for salvation.

If one is truly saved, they will never lose their salvation (John 10:28-29, Luke 15:4-7).
If someone appears to have "fallen away", it is because they were never saved in the first place.

1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

It is not our place to judge others. That's God's job.
But it is an undeniable fact that those who once professed Christ, end up rejecting Him. So not all Christians are saved. That's why we are commanded to "make our calling and election sure" (2 Pet. 1:10).

As for non-Christians being saved, it is not the "rule", but many in the OT were saved without knowing who Christ was, so that is certainly a possibility, albeit not one we should depend on, IMO.

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"?

It takes God regenerating a person and given them new life.

Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

The Bible determines the doctrines which determine whether one is teaching Christianity or not. For instance, Mormons believe in many gods, and that faithful Mormons can one day become gods themselves, over their own worlds. That is certainly not Biblical.

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?

That's a good question.
Whether a person's interpretation of Scripture is correct is determined by whether the passage is understood in its proper CONTEXT. Many people "proof-text", by quoting a verse, or even a half of a verse, completely divorced from its underlying context. I learned 30 years ago that when someone provides a "proof-text" to support a doctrine, it's important to read (as a rule of thumb) an entire paragraph leading up to that verse, to see how the verse fits in with the rest of the text.

Others (such as Catholics, and Mormons) reject the principle of "sola Scriptura", and have other "authoritative" sources which colour or change the meaning of Scripture. Still others reject the principle of "tota Scriptura", and ignore passages which contradict their claims.

I'll give a couple of examples.

Mormons believe in what they call "plural gods". In fact, they believe the godhead is made up of three separate gods. To support this, they "proof-text" 1 Cor. 8:5, ("there be gods many and lords many"), even though this is CLEARLY referring to "idols" (1 Cor. 8:1,4), and they ignore all kinds of other passages which teach that only one god exists (Deut. 4:35,39, 1 Kings 8:60, Isa. 43:10, Isa. 44:6,8. Isa. 45:5,21,22, Isa. 46:9, and even in the same passages, 1 Cor. 8:4, "There is NONE other God but ONE".

Another example cults use to try to deny the authority of the Bible, so that authority can be usurped by other authorities, is to cite 2 Pet. 1:20, "No prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation", claiming that the basic individual in the pew doesn't have authority to "privately interpret" Scripture, but there must be leaders who will tell you what Scripture means. The problem with this is that 2 Pet. 1:20 is NOT some "warning" against understanding Scripture for oneself, it is a PRAISE that Scripture is praiseworthy, and comes from God, we are not reading the private opinions of Moses or Isaiah, we are reading the message that God directly wants us to have. It is not referring to "receiving" Scripture, it is instead talking about the SOURCE of Scripture being pure, and not being "filtered" by the ideas of the prophets.
 
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Theo1689

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Secondly, when does this happen? Does this happen at baptism, when God claims a child as God's own? Does this happen at the end of a person's life, when they die and have fulfilled their duties? At some other time?

God's election of the sinners He chose to save, happened before the foundation of the world:

Eph. 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Regeneration occurs during our lifetime. For me, it happened when I was 27.

So if I understand you correctly, a person who is "agnostic," who has neither rejected nor accepted Christ, can be saved? Like, let's say a person was raised by atheist parents. They never declare "with their own mouth," as you say, that there is no god and no Christ. But they never accept Jesus as their personal Lord and savior, either. Is that person saved? Why or why not?

We cannot read anyone's heart.
So it seems pointless to speculate.
We need to leave that to God.
 

Theo1689

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Anyway, the word "saved" appears in the NKJV New Testament 58 times. Mark 16:16, for example, tells us:

Well, Mark 16:16 is an interesting passage.
If you read a good Bible, with footnotes, you will know that the "longer ending of Mark", Mark 16:9-20, is a later addition to the gospel. The earliest manuscripts of the gospel ended rather .... abruptly ...., shall we say, and scribes weren't comfortable with that. I believe there are three different endings that evolved over the centuries to give Mark a "cleaner" ending.

Now, having said that, let's assume that Mark 16:6-20 is authentic, as many do (such as the KJV-Only's). Let's really take a CLOSE look at what it says:

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


It is important to notice that it is set up in the form of "correlation", not "causation".
It does NOT say, "To be save you NEED to believe and be baptized".
It does NOT say, "If you do not believe and aren't baptized, you are NOT saved".

Now, the ironic thing is that many try to use this as a "proof-text" for the "necessity" of water baptism. But if you study it carefully, you will find that it is anything BUT.

Let's put this verse in the form of a "Truth Table":
.
Verse​
Believe?​
Baptized?​
Saved?​
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
Yes​
Yes​
Yes​
Yes
No
?????
but whoever does not believe will be condemned
No​
Yes​
No​
but whoever does not believe will be condemned
No​
No​
No​
.
There are FOUR difficult combinations of "belief" and "baptized", and only three of them are covered by this verse. If water baptism were TRULY the intent of this verse, to show that water baptism was required, then they would need to ADDRESS the specific combination of "belief but not baptized". Yet this is the only combination that is ABSENT from this verse.

Further, we don't have any assertion such as, "whoever is not baptized would be damned."
That would be very easy to write, if that's what the author intended.
But that's not what the text says.

Further, we have the example of the thief on the cross, to whom Christ said, "Today you will see me in paradise", without any evidence or opportunity of being baptized. We also have many, many passages which teach teach that salvation isn't determined by or dependent on our "works" (Eph. 2:8-9, Tit. 3:5, 2 Tim. 1:9, Rom. 4:1-6, Rom. 11:5-6, etc. etc.)


I think this is an excellent example for Hillsboro Mom to show that just because someone offers a "proof-text", doesn't mean that their usage/understanding is correct. The passage must be studied to make sure it teaches what they claim it teaches.
 

Gary Mac

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Good questions:



We are all sinners (Rom. 3:23).
The wages of sin is "death" (Rom. 6:23), more specifically eternal condemnation in hell.
To be "saved" is to be saved from that condemnation, and graciously instead receive eternity in heaven.
Sin is separation from God. Salvation is God manifest in you.
The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you. Luke 17:20-21. Heaven or hell is the state of ones being, it isnt a place we go to and observe. Man is the temple of God.
Salvation is God and man coming together as one. it is called the mercy seat.
For full disclosure, I come from a Reformed perspective, my church holding to the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689. We believe in the 5 solas ("Sola Fide", "Sola Gratia", "Sola Scriptura", "Solus Christus", and "Soli Deo Gloria")

We are saved by grace, through faith, from the atoning work of Christ on the cross.
We who are saved by God has received the same from God Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16. See John 17, He in me and I in Him are one.
So "what is required to be saved"? That is the main message of the New Testament, that we are to learn that we cannot keep the Law, and that we can do nothing in our selves to "become" saved (Rom. 3:19-20). The Law is given, not to save us, but to convict us of our sin, and to lead us to Christ (Gal. 3:24-25).
Yes and Christ in you is Gods anointing in you. Christ means Gods anointed and either you are anointed of God or you are not just as Jesus was anointed pf God. Jesus was Gods example sent for us to follow and be like.
What is "required" to be saved? All the "requirements" come from GOD:
- God must predestine us (Rom. 8);
- God must elect/choose us (Eph. 1);
- God must regenerate us (John 3:3);
- God must draw us (John 6:44)
- God must give us faith (Phil. 1:29, Rom. 12:3, etc.);
- God must give us repentance (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim. 2:25);

As the saying goes, "Salvation is WHOLLY of the Lord."
Yes He in you and you in Him as one, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
There is only one requirement from God and that is He be manifest in you.
And the question inevitably comes in, "what about works"? Well, works don't save us, they are the witness or "fruits" of someone who is ALREADY saved (Eph. 2:10, Phil. 2:13). We are saved UNTO good works.
Yes works is the result of God manifest in you and the same works follow those who are like Him.
You mention "baptism". But since salvation isn't by works (Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:1-6, Rom. 11:5-6, etc. etc.), being baptized neither guarantees salvation, nor does lack of salvation condemn you. Since salvation involves God changing our hearts to love Him, most will obey His command and be baptized, even though it's not "required" for salvation.
Actually salvation isnt about just loving God, salvation is about having the same Love God is as your own disposition, same mind, same walk as He walks in it.
If one is truly saved, they will never lose their salvation (John 10:28-29, Luke 15:4-7).
If someone appears to have "fallen away", it is because they were never saved in the first place.
Yes they never became like the author of it.
1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Yes and this describes all these different beliefs from denominations plainly. Very few teach what Jesus taught to be like the Father of it and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did.
Very few claiming to be Christian follow the way of Jesus to be like the Father of it with He in you and you in Him as one.
But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well/ 1 John 3. Again not many follow the way to be.
It is not our place to judge others. That's God's job.
But it is an undeniable fact that those who once professed Christ, end up rejecting Him. So not all Christians are saved. That's why we are commanded to "make our calling and election sure" (2 Pet. 1:10).
A Christian is Christ like, there is no walking away from it if one is like Him.
As for non-Christians being saved, it is not the "rule", but many in the OT were saved without knowing who Christ was, so that is certainly a possibility, albeit not one we should depend on, IMO.st
Salvation is God manifest in you. How many who say they are saved that God is actually manifest that ye be like Him and in His same image?
It takes God regenerating a person and given them new life.st
Yes God manifest in you by His SPirit just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16, Abraham, Moses, 120.
The Bible determines the doctrines which determine whether one is teaching Christianity or not. For instance, Mormons believe in many gods, and that faithful Mormons can one day become gods themselves, over their own worlds. That is certainly not Biblical.
Most denominations are like the Mormons and believe in multipole Gods, they call them the trinity.
That's a good question.
Whether a person's interpretation of Scripture is correct is determined by whether the passage is understood in its proper CONTEXT.
ANd the only way that can happen is if God is manifest in you that you have His same mind.
Many people "proof-text", by quoting a verse, or even a half of a verse, completely divorced from its underlying context. I learned 30 years ago that when someone provides a "proof-text" to support a doctrine, it's important to read (as a rule of thumb) an entire paragraph leading up to that verse, to see how the verse fits in with the rest of the text.
One belief system will read a text and say this is what it means, the next belief system will say no this is what it means, the next will say you both are wrong this is what it means. Denominations are notorious for this very thing. h

The only way to know the truth is as Jesus said, in that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. Not very many reach that day and doctrine their own ideas from a religious mind instead.
Others (such as Catholics, and Mormons) reject the principle of "sola Scriptura", and have other "authoritative" sources which colour or change the meaning of Scripture. Still others reject the principle of "tota Scriptura", and ignore passages which contradict their claims.
Yes most form their own laws from belief systems instead of actually receieve from God Himself His way, His truth and live His life.
I'll give a couple of examples.

Mormons believe in what they call "plural gods".
So do most belief systesm, they worship three gods.
In fact, they believe the godhead is made up of three separate gods. To support this, they "proof-text" 1 Cor. 8:5, ("there be gods many and lords many"), even though this is CLEARLY referring to "idols" (1 Cor. 8:1,4), and they ignore all kinds of other passages which teach that only one god exists (Deut. 4:35,39, 1 Kings 8:60, Isa. 43:10, Isa. 44:6,8. Isa. 45:5,21,22, Isa. 46:9, and even in the same passages, 1 Cor. 8:4, "There is NONE other God but ONE".
Agreed.
Another example cults use to try to deny the authority of the Bible, so that authority can be usurped by other authorities, is to cite 2 Pet. 1:20, "No prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation", claiming that the basic individual in the pew doesn't have authority to "privately interpret" Scripture, but there must be leaders who will tell you what Scripture means. The problem with this is that 2 Pet. 1:20 is NOT some "warning" against understanding Scripture for oneself, it is a PRAISE that Scripture is praiseworthy, and comes from God, we are not reading the private opinions of Moses or Isaiah, we are reading the message that God directly wants us to have. It is not referring to "receiving" Scripture, it is instead talking about the SOURCE of Scripture being pure, and not being "filtered" by the ideas of the prophets.
In that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. John 16:23.
 

Theo1689

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So do most belief systesm, they worship three gods.

You are mistaken.
Orthodox (small-o) Catholics and Protestants worship and believe in ONE God, not "three gods".

"Three" is the number of "persons" in the godhead, not the number of "gods".
There is only ONE God.

If you wish to try to deny undeniable truth, I suggest you take it to the Trinity forum.
 
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