What does it mean to "be saved"?

Gary Mac

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All believers are saved the moment they had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead. Romans 10:8-17
Believing what is the key. Gods salvation is Him manifest in you to have His same mind, SPirit as the mind is. Even the Devil believes in Jesus and knows him well that does not mean he is saved.
Our bodies are now the temples of the holy Spirit; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 & Jesus is within us always 2 Corinthians 13:5 as a testimony from God that we are saved as we are the new wine bottles able to hold the new wine. Matthew 9:17 Let us not deny Him by seeking a continual filling.
Jesus is not within anyone, that is impossible, what is possible is you have the same from God Jesus had from Him and walk in it as He walks in it as God sent that man to show you the way to Him that you make know Him as Jesus knew Him. He in you and you in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him. John 17.
Not all believers will be ready for the Bridegroom to be saved from what is coming on the earth. Luke 12:40-49 & Luke 17:26-37 & 2 Peter 3:3-14
JHis bride gives birth to His seed which is Christ within, you anointed of God, coming outward from you just as He came outward from Jesus and others we read of who was anointed of God as Jesus was which is Christ in you.
Some will be found in unrepentant iniquity for why they are left behind per Luke 13:24-30 & Revelation 2:18-25 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17.
And that describes the majority of our denomination perfectly. They are bound by law to regulate a belief instead of God actually manifest in them to be as He is as Jesus was of Him as He demands if you are to be of God. .
What the church fails to do per excommunication to lead those that err to repentance, God will do for the Marriage Supper 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 & 1 Corinthians 5:8-11 & 1 Peter 4:17-19 KJV
The Marriage supper, or what is described as the mercy seat, is the place God and man come together as one, He in you and you in Him as one to walk as He walks in His same light.

The problem in most is they are not through in repentance.
Some will love this life more that they are ensnared by the cares of this life that they will not want to leave per Luke 14:15-24
Yes their desire to be right by their own devises, beliefs, will not allow them to be as He is, they regulate their gods through a belief instead.
That is why we are to pray for His help, not only to lay aside daily every weight & sin to be found abiding in Him ( Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 John 2:1-2 & 1 John 1:3-9 ), but for help to be willing to go for our hearts to be on the treasures above and not on the earth; Luke 21:33-36 & Colossians 3:1-2 So let us all hope in His mercy in keeping us from falling & presenting us faultless to His glory in Heaven; Jude 1:24-25 & 2 Timothy 4:18
One can pray and pray and pray for Gods help, but until you take the bull by the horns and do it as He describes we do, then one will go to a grave praying for God to do someting when all the wile He is waiting for you to do someting to keep from falling away from Him to be as He is to have His same mind, have His same walk, and walk in the power of Love which is His Spirit to be that example of God that Jesus was. That is Gods plan for mankind that we be as He is as Jesus was.

But most in this forum see His way as blaspheme and even state to me that it is.
 

Hark

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Believing what is the key. Gods salvation is Him manifest in you to have His same mind, SPirit as the mind is. Even the Devil believes in Jesus and knows him well that does not mean he is saved.
Believing even in His name can get you saved. John 1:12-13 testifies to this.
Jesus is not within anyone, that is impossible, what is possible is you have the same from God Jesus had from Him and walk in it as He walks in it as God sent that man to show you the way to Him that you make know Him as Jesus knew Him. He in you and you in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him. John 17.
Jesus is speaking in Matthew 28:18-20 and so He is telling us the truth that He is with us always. In John 14th chapter , not only is He telling us the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit at our salvation, but that He and the Father will make Their abode with us too.
JHis bride gives birth to His seed which is Christ within, you anointed of God, coming outward from you just as He came outward from Jesus and others we read of who was anointed of God as Jesus was which is Christ in you.

And that describes the majority of our denomination perfectly. They are bound by law to regulate a belief instead of God actually manifest in them to be as He is as Jesus was of Him as He demands if you are to be of God. .

The Marriage supper, or what is described as the mercy seat, is the place God and man come together as one, He in you and you in Him as one to walk as He walks in His same light.

The problem in most is they are not through in repentance.

Yes their desire to be right by their own devises, beliefs, will not allow them to be as He is, they regulate their gods through a belief instead.

One can pray and pray and pray for Gods help, but until you take the bull by the horns and do it as He describes we do, then one will go to a grave praying for God to do someting when all the wile He is waiting for you to do someting to keep from falling away from Him to be as He is to have His same mind, have His same walk, and walk in the power of Love which is His Spirit to be that example of God that Jesus was. That is Gods plan for mankind that we be as He is as Jesus was.

But most in this forum see His way as blaspheme and even state to me that it is.
Yet Jesus answered the question as to what works of God we are to do and that was to believe Him Whom the Father has sent; John 6:28-29

The 2 commandments for abiding in Him is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & to love one another per 1 John 3:22-24. Those that have trouble loving others, especially their enemies, can call on Jesus for the help & the love they need to do that, even if it is just to not seek vengeance but to forgive them from afar.

So addicts can step away from their commitments and promises and just rest in Him to help them lay aside every weight & sin in getting to know Him & the power of His resurrection whereby they see themselves following Him whereas by the deeds of the law in doing the best they can by the flesh, they could not. That is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith, but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them and be judged by the law in failing to obtain their salvation by, let alone maintaining fellowship with the Father by their efforts & will power.

So you are not yourself, the Good News to man, but Jesus Christ really is.
 

Gary Mac

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Believing even in His name can get you saved. John 1:12-13 testifies to this.
It can get you saved and he didnt come to save you at all he came that ye might be saved. that option is yours whether you elect to receieve from God His salvation or not to be as He is as Jesus was like Him. And when you do see Him as He is, ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3. that is what Gods salvation is Him manifest in you just as He was manifest in Jesus. there is no other salvation to be had from God.
Jesus is speaking in Matthew 28:18-20 and so He is telling us the truth that He is with us always. In John 14th chapter , not only is He telling us the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit at our salvation, but that He and the Father will make Their abode with us too.
John 17 Jesus prayed to his God for you to be one in the father and He in you as one just as He was in Jesus and Jesus was in Him as one. And Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is withn you Luke 17:20-21.

Christ always has been with man starting in Adam he was the first to become like God to know this difference. And Jesus learned this same difference in Matt 3:16. SO do we all who receives from God the same as these did.
Yet Jesus answered the question as to what works of God we are to do and that was to believe Him Whom the Father has sent; John 6:28-29

The 2 commandments for abiding in Him is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & to love one another per 1 John 3:22-24. Those that have trouble loving others, especially their enemies, can call on Jesus for the help & the love they need to do that, even if it is just to not seek vengeance but to forgive them from afar.
When one becomes like the father of it as He demands we be and in His same image as Jesus was in His image, The mind set changes from loving God to having the same Love as your own disposition as God is, and not just trying to love thy neighbor but actually counting them as one as yourself and treating them a such that is not an effort at all but actually giving up the right to yourself to help one in need from a pure heart with no other motive then to simply love them as yourself. .
So addicts can step away from their commitments and promises and just rest in Him to help them lay aside every weight & sin in getting to know Him & the power of His resurrection whereby they see themselves following Him whereas by the deeds of the law in doing the best they can by the flesh, they could not. That is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith, but the law is not of faith and those that do them shall live in them and be judged by the law in failing to obtain their salvation by, let alone maintaining fellowship with the Father by their efforts & will power.

So you are not yourself, the Good News to man, but Jesus Christ really is.
I am not the way, you are not the way, the way is to have from God the very same as Jesus had when he said I am the way the truth and the life that you are supposed to live and no one comes to the Father but this way and living it yourself as Jesus did.

As for me -- and it may not be for you -- but Jesus was spot on and I do live that same life in the Father Jesus lived in Him for my identity is with Him just as Jesus identity was with Him for we have the same Father who is God.
 

CharismaticLady

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God's wrath.

The question was: "saved from what?" You said, God's wrath. But why? What did Jesus save us from that appeases God's wrath. Jesus took our sin nature away and filled us with His Spirit. Romans 8:9. That is what it means to be born again.

Imputed righteousness was given to Abraham because He believed and obeyed. We obey because the laws of God are written on the heart of the new nature created by the Holy Spirit in us. We don't have to work at obeying. We obey naturally, because it is part of our nature. John 8:32-36; 1 John 3:5-9
 

CharismaticLady

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Sin is separation from God. Salvation is God manifest in you.
The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you. Luke 17:20-21. Heaven or hell is the state of ones being, it isnt a place we go to and observe. Man is the temple of God.
Salvation is God and man coming together as one. it is called the mercy seat.

We who are saved by God has received the same from God Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16. See John 17, He in me and I in Him are one.

Yes and Christ in you is Gods anointing in you. Christ means Gods anointed and either you are anointed of God or you are not just as Jesus was anointed pf God. Jesus was Gods example sent for us to follow and be like.

Yes He in you and you in Him as one, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
There is only one requirement from God and that is He be manifest in you.

Yes works is the result of God manifest in you and the same works follow those who are like Him.

Actually salvation isnt about just loving God, salvation is about having the same Love God is as your own disposition, same mind, same walk as He walks in it.

Yes they never became like the author of it.

Yes and this describes all these different beliefs from denominations plainly. Very few teach what Jesus taught to be like the Father of it and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did.
Very few claiming to be Christian follow the way of Jesus to be like the Father of it with He in you and you in Him as one.
But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well/ 1 John 3. Again not many follow the way to be.

A Christian is Christ like, there is no walking away from it if one is like Him.

Salvation is God manifest in you. How many who say they are saved that God is actually manifest that ye be like Him and in His same image?

Yes God manifest in you by His SPirit just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16, Abraham, Moses, 120.

Most denominations are like the Mormons and believe in multipole Gods, they call them the trinity.

ANd the only way that can happen is if God is manifest in you that you have His same mind.

One belief system will read a text and say this is what it means, the next belief system will say no this is what it means, the next will say you both are wrong this is what it means. Denominations are notorious for this very thing. h

The only way to know the truth is as Jesus said, in that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. Not very many reach that day and doctrine their own ideas from a religious mind instead.

Yes most form their own laws from belief systems instead of actually receieve from God Himself His way, His truth and live His life.

So do most belief systesm, they worship three gods.

Agreed.

In that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. John 16:23.

I teach the same thing you do. We are one together and with God.

God just revealed the oneness of true Christians just this week. There is one truth, because only One God wrote this Word. Those who believe the true meaning of His word do so because they have the same Spirit in them, the Spirit of Truth. So glad to meet you.
 

Gary Mac

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I teach the same thing you do. We are one together and with God.

God just revealed the oneness of true Christians just this week. There is one truth, because only One God wrote this Word. Those who believe the true meaning of His word do so because they have the same Spirit in them, the Spirit of Truth. So glad to meet you.
Agreed -- and religious minds see the bible as the word of God, But those who has received God to have His same mind know the word of God is not written on stone nor a page of paper, it is written in the heart that we may live His life. And we see the book as only a tutorial, an instruction manual for how to. The KJV describes the laws in it as schoolmaster to lead one to Him and walk as He walks in His same light.
 

Our Lord's God

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Inviting responses from anyone / everyone. What does it mean to "be saved"? Saved from what? For what?

Depends which verse you are talking about.

The Bible refers to salvation from numerous things.

Ephesians 2:8 salvation is not Hebrews 9:28 salvation.


What is required to "be saved"? For example, getting baptized, or "believer's baptism" only, or repentance, or "the sinner's prayer," or ...? Is it a one-time thing (once saved always saved) or can a person be saved and then lose one's salvation, and if so, what kind of things jeopardize one's salvation?

Are all Christians saved? Are some non-Christians saved?

For that matter, what does it take to be a "Christian"? Many people think certain denominations aren't "real Christians," such as Catholics, Mormons, etc. Who gets to decide which actions, or labels, or whatever, qualify some people as "Christian," or some people as "saved," and other people as "not Christian" and/or "not saved"?

And before you answer, "Scripture says...." keep in mind that every single person who has an answer will have Scripture to support their answer, even though their answers may disagree. So, the question is: why is your verse better than another person's verse, or your interpretation of Scripture better than another person's interpretation?
 

Gary Mac

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Read carefully I said: "PROFESSED" Christians, people as you that are teacher now!!
Yeah, many profess to be Christian but flat out deny God to be anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God and walk as He walks in His same light, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, holy pure and without sin to be the righteousnes of God in Christ, which is to be anointed of God, Christ in you.

Very few who are like Him as He demands of us if we are to be in Him.
 

Pipiripi

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Yeah, many profess to be Christian but flat out deny God to be anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God and walk as He walks in His same light, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, holy pure and without sin to be the righteousnes of God in Christ, which is to be anointed of God, Christ in you.

Very few who are like Him as He demands of us if we are to be in Him.
Be in Him means keeping His Commandments like HE has keep His Father 10 Commandments.
 

Gary Mac

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Be in Him means keeping His Commandments like HE has keep His Father 10 Commandments.
The are only an effort that man will fail miserably.

His commandments are
He be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him, John 17.
Walk as He walks in His same light.
Let this same mind be in you who was ion Christ Jesus.
Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
These signs shall follow those who do believe.
When you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. 1 John 3.
Pick up that cross and continue where he left off.

The 10 are for those who do not know what His commands are.
 

Pipiripi

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The are only an effort that man will fail miserably.

His commandments are
He be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him, John 17.
Walk as He walks in His same light.
Let this same mind be in you who was ion Christ Jesus.
Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
These signs shall follow those who do believe.
When you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. 1 John 3.
Pick up that cross and continue where he left off.

The 10 are for those who do not know what His commands are.
So then you also don't know what is His commandment. Because when Jesus was walking with them, He was teaching them the meaning of the true commandment.

Don't you believe that Jesus and the Father is one?
Then why Jesus should have another rules, and has kept His Father rules!!
Jesus says: "THINK NOT"!! Why people are still thinking the opposite!! Matthew 5:17-18.

The 4th commandment begin with "REMEMBER"
Why all ✝️ today 😒 has FORGOTTEN!!
 

Gary Mac

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So then you also don't know what is His commandment. Because when Jesus was walking with them, He was teaching them the meaning of the true commandment.
Sure I do I just posted the laws Jesus imposed.
Don't you believe that Jesus and the Father is one?
Oh yes indeed. just as we all are one in the Father as he was one in Him. He in me and I in Him are one just as prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. You can read it. But then you would have to believe Jesus prayer to his God for you to be on ein Him to understand you are supposed to be one in the Father yourself.
Then why Jesus should have another rules, and has kept His Father rules!!
Jesus didnt have other rules, he was very clear who you are supposed to be in the Father and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. You really do not follow the way of Jesus do you to be perfect as He is do you?
Jesus says: "THINK NOT"!! Why people are still thinking the opposite!! Matthew 5:17-18.
Good quesation. Why would anyone think differently than Jesus did in the Father if you have the same Father?
The 4th commandment begin with "REMEMBER"
Why all ✝️ today 😒 has FORGOTTEN!!
Yes they have forgotten that God Himself comes to man and opens all of His heaven to them. Abraham, Moses, Mary, Jesus in Matt 3:16, 120 in an upper room, all of these God came to and manifest Himself in them just as He does in us all today who will receieve Him.

You are correct most has forgotten that only God Himself can open His heaven to anyone. See Matt 3:16, He even did that in Jesus. It always has been that way with God, even Adam became like Him to know this difference. Gen 3:22.

HGave you forgotten how God does it? Or have you never learned how God does it?
 

Pipiripi

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Sure I do I just posted the laws Jesus imposed.

Oh yes indeed. just as we all are one in the Father as he was one in Him. He in me and I in Him are one just as prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. You can read it. But then you would have to believe Jesus prayer to his God for you to be on ein Him to understand you are supposed to be one in the Father yourself.

Jesus didnt have other rules, he was very clear who you are supposed to be in the Father and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. You really do not follow the way of Jesus do you to be perfect as He is do you?

Good quesation. Why would anyone think differently than Jesus did in the Father if you have the same Father?

Yes they have forgotten that God Himself comes to man and opens all of His heaven to them. Abraham, Moses, Mary, Jesus in Matt 3:16, 120 in an upper room, all of these God came to and manifest Himself in them just as He does in us all today who will receieve Him.

You are correct most has forgotten that only God Himself can open His heaven to anyone. See Matt 3:16, He even did that in Jesus. It always has been that way with God, even Adam became like Him to know this difference. Gen 3:22.

HGave you forgotten how God does it? Or have you never learned how God does it?
I know it, thanks I see you later
 

brightfame52

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mike mck

Repentance and faith is what saves
Hi mike, you said some good things until you said the above. I believe Repentance and Faith are evidences of having been saved by New Birth, unless you believe they are conditions man does in order to get saved.
 

Gary Mac

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mike mck


Hi mike, you said some good things until you said the above. I believe Repentance and Faith are evidences of having been saved by New Birth, unless you believe they are conditions man does in order to get saved.
Agreed -- Faith and repentance is the evidence of God manifest in you to have His same mind, which is His salvation wo walk as He walks in it.
 
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