What Hope Does TULIP Offer To A Lost World.

Are you sure?
You're not?

I encourage you NOT to post views of others without being sure, especially since presuming to know someone else's eternal disposition will undermine everything you have ever posted in every forum you've ever posted. You may think you are like Jesus, but you are not Jesus and acting like the Judge of others' eternal disposition self-evidently proves the antithesis of that delusion.

Or you could just start a poll and find out how many posters in CARM follow Calvin instead of Jesus. No need for speculation if you do that; you'll have self-confessed evidence and can spend all your time persuading them to do otherwise.
 
You're not?

I encourage you NOT to post views of others without being sure, especially since presuming to know someone else's eternal disposition will undermine everything you have ever posted in every forum you've ever posted.
All that I know about another person is what they testify of themselves and compare them with the life of Jesus to walk as he walks in his same light. If they dont then comment is made in comparison.
You may think you are like Jesus, but you are not Jesus and acting like the Judge of others' eternal disposition self-evidently proves the antithesis of that delusion.
I do not think I am like Jesus was at all, I know that I am exactly like him in the Father for we have the same One. Same mind, same walk as He walks in His same mind as Jesus did. Perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect, He in me and I inHim are one. John 17.
Or you could just start a poll and find out how many posters in CARM follow Calvin instead of Jesus.
Well as for me Jesus is my way in the Father to be like Him as Jesus was like Him. Lets do a poll on Jesus and see how many of his day followed him?

He was a man alone and even his own disciples flat out denied him in his ways of the father in his trials and tribulations. Not one came to be identified with him.

SO that poll we may take here in this forum will be the same results as the poll took on Jesus when he says be like the Father of it. For I Am exactly as He is as Jesus was and God demands that you be like Him as well if you are to be of His anointing, Christ in you, you being that person of Christ that you are supposed to be.

Lets take a poll and see the results.
No need for speculation if you do that; you'll have self-confessed evidence and can spend all your time persuading them to do otherwise.
There is no speculation if Gods Spirit, either He is manifest in you as He was manifest in Jesus and you have His same mind and walk in it or you dont.

Speculation is only a belief and not reality at all. But God will manifest Himself in all who will accept Him as Jesus did in Matty 3:16. He will open up who He is in you as well.

And dont tell me He is in you if you are not like Him and perfect and without sin -- for that is His way for sure.

That isn't judgment of you, you are your own judge in that and you know very well if you follow the way of Christ to be that person of Christ God demands of us if we are to be of Him.

Christ really is the way of God, Gods anointed. You have it with Christ in you and are Gods anointed -- or you dont! There is no in-between.
 
It should be easy to answer this question with the Good News of the Gospel.

How might a lost Sinner coming to the Lord Jesus in Faith know before standing at the White Throne of Judgement he has been Redeemed and Saved unto Life?

Thanks.

Not being?



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It should be easy to answer this question with the Good News of the Gospel.

How might a lost Sinner coming to the Lord Jesus in Faith know before standing at the White Throne of Judgement he has been Redeemed and Saved unto Life?

Thanks.

You are confused...
Are you asking about the gospel, or are you asking about TULIP?

If you want to know the gospel, it is as follows:

1) God is holy;
2) God demands perfection;
3) Man is dead in sins;
4) The wages of sin is death (ie. eternal torment in hell);
5) God sent His Son to die to atone for sin;
6) Those who believe in Jesus will be saved.

Now, if you want to know where "TULIP" fits in, and how it provides hope:

T) Total depravity - this corresponds to man being dead in sins, and assures us that Jesus has the power to save no matter how deep the extent of our sins are; Nobody has "too many sins" to be saved.

U) Unconditional Election - this assures us that salvation is God's power, not our own, so we need not worry of losing our salvation through "neglect" of doing something we needed to do;

I) Irresistible Grace - this assures us that we cannot interfere with God saving a person. If God wants an individual sinner, saved, he WILL be saved.

P) Preservation of the Saints - this assures us that we can never lose our salvation, for Christ is the perfect Saviour, and no one can grasp His sheep out of His hand. And if any of His sheep stray, He will go after them and bring them back to the fold.
 
U) Unconditional Election - this assures us that salvation is God's power, not our own, so we need not worry of losing our salvation through "neglect" of doing something we needed to do;
Unconditional election to salvation is Nowhere taught in the bible
 
Election in the N>T. era is primarily corporate - of the church

Individuals are elect in association with the elect body

So foreknew wanted to convetr others .....

Not a new thing.

Does not mean they were not part of the team.
 
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It should be easy to answer this question with the Good News of the Gospel.

How might a lost Sinner coming to the Lord Jesus in Faith know before standing at the White Throne of Judgement he has been Redeemed and Saved unto Life?

Thanks.
The gospel is not an offer but a declaration of Christ's finished work on behalf of His people. It's a command to believe. His righteousness was imputed to the elect and their sin was imputed to Him at the cross. The proof and assurance that God the Father accepted the Son's atonement is that Christ rose again on the 3rd day. It's really good news to God’s people.
 
It should be easy to answer this question with the Good News of the Gospel.

How might a lost Sinner coming to the Lord Jesus in Faith know before standing at the White Throne of Judgement he has been Redeemed and Saved unto Life?

Thanks.
Tulip is not the gospel.
 
TULIP dishonors the Work of God to offer Salvation to a lost World. Reformism failed to understand the very Word of God, and Reformism is false. It offers no hope, and is a gross perversion of God's Word.
You asked a question; I answered it. Is that really the best you can do by way of reply?
 
You can profess all you want that those in the flesh can please God. I'm sticking with 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
Yet none of these were regenerate

Hebrews 11:2-37 (KJV)
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
 
Yet none of these were regenerate

Hebrews 11:2-37 (KJV)
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Pleasing God is not the means to Salvation. Nobody can please God.
 
Pleasing God is not the means to Salvation. Nobody can please God.
Er You were just given a list of those who pleased god

Hebrews 11:2-37 (KJV)
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
 
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