God did not share whyHow come some recieve more than others?
God did not share whyHow come some recieve more than others?
So it's a mystery? LolGod did not share why
The calvinist failure in this is that you do not distinuish between "can not" and "will not"How? You CANNOT choose other than the choice that is known for certain. I was right. Way above your head
Does anyone else understand this lame attempt at dealing with my point?The calvinist failure in this is that you do not distinuish between "can not" and "will not"
Those are not the same and until you accept they are different, your doctrine will be muddled as well.
When the Bible teaches that a person WILL do something, you can say that they WILL NOT doing something different, but you cannot claim that they CANNOT do something different,
LOL back at you. Do you have an explanation?So it's a mystery? Lol
Sure. Reformed theology explains it quite well. Salvific grace is for the elect alone.LOL back at you. Do you have an explanation?
Except the bible never teaches unconditional election to salvationSure. Reformed theology explains it quite well. Salvific grace is for the elect alone.
It certainly does not teach conditional election. God is not walking around looking for choice meatExcept the bible never teaches unconditional election to salvation
well let's seeIt certainly does not teach conditional election. God is not walking around looking for choice meat
Lol, that does not say they were chosen for that reason. I could easily say they believed because they were chosen. Next?well let's see
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
seems conditional to me
Faith is the condition
Chosen is in ChristLol, that does not say they were chosen for that reason. I could easily say they believed because they were chosen. Next?
Right. I have been in Christ and will be for all if eternity. Chosen in Him from the foundation of the worldChosen is in Christ
You are not chosen outside of Christ
that still is a condition
Sorry you were not in Christ before the foundation of the earthRight. I have been in Christ and will be for all if eternity. Chosen in Him from the foundation of the world
Yup, in time He was but not from God's perspective. They were both in Christ from the foundation of the world.Sorry you were not in Christ before the foundation of the earth
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
That does not help you at allYup, in time He was but not from God's perspective. They were both in Christ from the foundation of the world.
In the mind of God all those in Christ have always been in Christ. We are actually in Christ temporally in time. Do you deny Gods omniscience?That does not help you at all
Someone who believes in Christ 2000 years in the future (should Christ tarry) will still be in Christ when he believes
Nor would he be in Christ in God's mind if he first had not believed in God's mind
Sorry you can't escape it, belief precedes being in Christ
And those who libertarianly believed and chosen were in Him from the foundation of the universe too.Right. I have been in Christ and will be for all if eternity. Chosen in Him from the foundation of the world
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In the mind of God they believed before they were in ChristIn the mind of God all those in Christ have always been in Christ. We are actually in Christ temporally in time. Do you deny Gods omniscience?
Not according to Ephesians 1. They were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world. No mention of foreseen belief. Next?In the mind of God they believed before they were in Christ
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You can't escape it without faith you are not in Christ
no matter how you attempt to twist the scripture
you are just unbiblical