Reformedguy
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If there certain they are necessary.Bump for you
as I told you elsewhere, they are certain not necessary
If there certain they are necessary.Bump for you
as I told you elsewhere, they are certain not necessary
sorry noIf there certain they are necessary.
Exactly right! Adam & Eve did possess Libertarian Free-Will; the power of contrary choice. But when Adam breached the Covenant of Creation with God, he fell into bondage to sin!Then how can God make man is His own "image" and after his "own likeness" and not give/grant man "free will"?
"Free will" is having the innate ability to choose for one's self.
Free Will is the ability to make choices according to our nature and with God's approval...
I do not believe in "free will "I believe that "free will" only exists in God and salvation is a sovereign act of God, that starts in Him and ends in the believer believing according to His Will, making His Will ours too.
Just what can you really choose?Then how can God make man is His own "image" and after his "own likeness" and not give/grant man "free will"?
"Free will" is having the innate ability to choose for one's self.
That makes more sense.
The future is open and uncertain and changing other than where God intervenes but God just by miracle gets it right. You can choose otherwise but you can't escape God's miracle.Your choices are foreknown and are certain. You cannot choose otherwise. Do you agree?
The Future is Closed and Certain, never changing because God intervenes every day; it already exists. Open Theism is a Heresy. Jesus Christ is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. Today is Tomorrow's Past, and Yesterday's Future. This is something that Open Theists don't get. God is Omnipresent, and since Space and Time are the same thing; God is also Omni-When. Because of this, God knows the Future as certainly as he knows the Past, since the Future is also his Past. You can't have an Omnipresent God who isn't also Alive in the Past, Present and Future for every one of our days...The future is open and uncertain and changing other than where God intervenes but God just by miracle gets it right. You can choose otherwise but you can't escape God's miracle.
Open future, not open Theism. God is omnipotent over, outside of and in time and creation but is not His creation. Time has no rule over God. The past is a memory and the future doesn't exist yet but only the progressive present was created. God by nature inherently knows an open future analogous to making a miraculous immersive guess that does not violate the openness of it. The future exists in God's foreknowledge/omniscience, not in the fore-existence of it or us.The Future is Closed and Certain, never changing because God intervenes every day; it already exists. Open Theism is a Heresy. Jesus Christ is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. Today is Tomorrow's Past, and Yesterday's Future. This is something that Open Theists don't get. God is Omnipresent, and since Space and Time are the same thing; God is also Omni-When. Because of this, God knows the Future as certainly as he knows the Past, since the Future is always his Past. You can't have an Omnipresent God who isn't also Alive in the Past, Present and Future for every one of our days...
According to the Bible "our nature" got everyone in trouble from Adam & Eve to the Disciples. And FYI; God only approves of His own Will and not "our nature".
So God does not know the beginning from then end? Are you a Open Theist?The future is open and uncertain and changing other than where God intervenes but God just by miracle gets it right. You can choose otherwise but you can't escape God's miracle.
God knows the beginning from the end of an open future. So not an open Theist.So God does not know the beginning from then end? Are you a Open Theist?
Do explain. This I have to hearGod knows the beginning from the end of an open future. So not an open Theist.
What does that mean then?There is no beginning and end with God. I would love to have that conversation with you......
Is God the creator of time and exists outside of time?Logical question.... and you know enough from me that .... you know I believe in foreknowledge being the predeterminate will of God brought to pass by His infinite power.
If there is no end or beginning with God. How does God know everything as classically defined by some?
The future doesn't exist yet to know. The future is open. God is beyond time but time is only what God created. God created only the progressive present that continues on from the beginning with some intervention. The past is a memory and the future hasn't happened yet. God's foreknowledge/omniscience is analogous to a miraculous immersive incidently correct guess that is part of God's nature.Do explain. This I have to hear
I do say God is omniscient.Definitely a "flavor" of Open Theism.
The concept that God is beyond time isn't supported by the Scriptures. It is an interpretation of just a few verses that do not establish such reasoning.
I've argued for a very long time that God IS Time.
No He is not omniscient in your scheme. He is not all knowing. He does not know the futureI do say God is omniscient.
Do you still say God is time? If so, explain.