What is "freewill"?

Again the discussion was about what Jesus taught about God's will specifcally in the Lord's prayer. Not a general discussion of His will.

Strawman. Maybe that's what you were doing, but that's not what I was arguing. Actually my claim was that the Bible teaches believers to seek and follow God's will and not just "specifically in the Lord's prayer".
 
Still modern view not complete and he does not use bible verses. But explains freewill for me Jordan is A genius but see's things thru his way and God's way.
 
This is the point only God who is creator of good and evil of light and darkness is who moves it all, we were never meant to understand. What would of happen if he would of not put the tree of good and evil and would of never enter this world. We would of being like children still with our envelope of innocence and be in front ogf God protected by him ?


Yes, our purpose was not good or evil and by human fault we felled. If the tree was not their we would of fallen one will ask ? Nope, everything has plan and God never wanted man in this position what was the purpose of the tree afterwards ? if he would never eaten of it would of other animals eat of it and not man ? or later remove as time passed ? We will never know ? What was really the purpose just as A test of not to be eatena nd alter remove by God ?





But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our owns and put things in God's hands. Our destiny can change and move but some of you question we cannot escape him or his destiny he saved for us. The question do you want the destiny he did not prepare and leave us in possibility of A million to one what will happen and man just be thrown in space and let him decide ? What will be the outcome if you can plan everyhing since your born from A baby and turn into an adult that instance and God gave you all the power of the future and destiny you wanted ? you will know what you know and you will make A decision better ?




No, this why it is better that inside this world we live we can live in many possibilities and be saved by grace and baptized from sin into salvation and put love into salvation ! We would not of found our destiny if we could decide our destiny in that moment from baby to adult in space. He put us in Eden to be protected and choose not to eat the tree of good and evil and let use have choice ! If we didn't eat we will be perfect and without sin ! But we felled and he gave As econd chance in Jesus and glad that even those scientist believe if they ahd possiblity to ebf ree into choosing thier future our possiblities from predestination would make thier sum of equations and free from God soveriegn and have freewill ?





You have freewill protected and relying in God's effort and his soveriegn that you are not in space making decision but here in the world where in his care of law of moses and law of genesis. They would not of eating the fruti they will live in the probabilities in those rules and soveriegn of G-d's law and love. Be under his guidance and be saved. Knowing we can change those probablities and change our destiny from being A shoe salesman and into lawyer or governor of A state and reach our max and be what we want !


Moses chaneg those probabilities and also Huldah in her prophecy, G-d could reverse those action make us forget it and then done but he let those error stay and destiny was changed seeing he does not make it all effect in a sense of our errors do not ruin our future and in error the Eden will return and heaven on earth and we will be saved despite our errors in Jesus. God could of just erase us and no one will know of our exsitence and done but he lets us know and see those error have existed and predestiantion can change and destiny and sum of those variables and one million in one probablities can change and anything is possible. Let us do good and make knowing of good and evil in God's favor and find our purpose in life and pray to him.


See he made probablities and the sense some people say that one can make decision and really can't change thier future or predestiantion just fear and laziness that future can change and just like Moses and Huldah made mistake know we can make success into our favor and do good and chaneg our future with him and play ahrd abll i life and into all the promblems life does go thru and breakthru it all and not passive christian that rolls over and breaks the mold life give and make good in life and saves his family.


Kicks and screams and changes his future his predestiantion and not this that with God you can't change your future or predestiantion I see you can't change your future idea and you do not understand it still ! This why you do not understand how freewill works in God's favor and his plan of God. But still stuck with the laws of modern world and liberalism USA faces ! You have freedom to choose and better under God's wing and not in space where psycologist and scientist say they don't get to choose and if they choose they would make more errors and wouldn't recognize them !
 
Just to make A recap everyone from the first to remembering the last posts that were done but we have to see what hebrew say when using those words of "free" and choice and know the whole area is also tied to the slaves system Judean mosaic law applies people. Did you know their is A law that saw if A slave from another country comes to Israel he is free under the law of moses and musn't be return to his country to be slave ? He can be free forever

Understand our freedom did exist ! And existed in Heaven when Lucifer rebbeled, truly freewill exist in the spectrum of decision but the concept of the past, present, and future makes us think freewill doesn't exist because everything God's see's and foresaws decided everything for us. Nope people just like their are sciences explaining our existence their is other realms of existence of aliens, spirits and time that our thinking does not know and exist God created it becuase he is above it all but paths that exist and ways that exist in those ways explain that freedom exist probablility exist and Lucifer is one that's he was perfect in every sense we do knot know and yet he reblled and proves freewill myth is not myth and Ray I copy something from him. Still were just the tip of the iceberg in freewill and consciousness and existing explaining that what we percieve in our brains and eyes is not how freewil is exist by God and he gives us choice to do good and evil people don't understand it.


Because they want to control the base of it and with words grab their destiny and say like scientist they cannot really choose because their future was chosen for them and everything is planned ? Not true Moses and Hulda and Elijah changed the future of the world with thier decision can we who are in this choosing of good and evil also change the destiny of this world and do good and not the same mistakes as them ? Yes, we can can Jesus do it ? He did change our destiny all together.



No, people you just begginign to enter the tip of freewill as we speak we have the verses and in greek mean different things and in hebrew mean different things. But how in the universe rules are different and no we are bound becuase their Is more to God he is not showing we know him as the God of before, today and tomorrow are thier more time measurments in the universe ? Yes, Do angels, aliens, and other beings that exist have different counting than we do ? yes, understand God is beyond destiny and he gives us that to be measure by time like we know it now but there is more ways to count time from angel perspective, alien perspective, and above all from God's perpsective for he is has not limits and he has counting system different from us.


Freewill is it based from God's letting people to choose to love him or not ? He let us choose our destiny can change from that ? Dont' go too far people he onlys wants us to choose either to be freed by him from sin thru Jesus and be baptized simple as that and not to choose to do evil simple people. Does freedom exist outside of our science and counting time and counting destiny and God can make it happen ? Yes he can he can do it all for he is God and only God judges God ! We cannot go beyond that but he can craete it people Don't rely on your own efforts in yoru decison but pray and rely on his and he will unchange your destiny to youd dream of saving your family to be rich man in god's way and be the thing you want he put in your heart to free in freewill in his love he gaves us life to choose and enjoy this magnifecent thing called life and live it with all your might and feelings.


Choose God above it all and put him first he will change your ways and find your dream come reality and really be all the things you can be !
 
By what means does God enable the lost to accept salvation?

We are saved by grace. What function is working by grace?

The sin nature in the flesh oppresses the soul like alcohol makes a drunk unable to function as he normally would.

Its not the soul that is drunk per se. Its his inebriated body that malfunctions, disabling the soul to perceive reality as reality is. The soul can not do as it would want to do as when the body is sober.

Grace ... in a sense... sobers up that person as to suppress the effects of his sin nature that would normally dominate over the soul, which allows that soul (while the Holy Spirit is freeing it from its own effects of its flesh)... to see the issue of the Gospel.

Without God's grace being administered at the hearing of the salvation message? That soul would be too drunk on its flesh to walk a straight line!

As Christians we are now having access (potentially) for grace full time to walk in the Spirit. Thus not walking in the flesh. We must learn to choose through understanding and knowledge to walk in the Spirit.

The unbeliever did not have that choice to walk in the Spirit at gospel hearing. At the point of his salvation God must impose the "freedom to choose" to make his decision by the power of the same grace that allows a believer now to walk in the Spirit on a regular basis. We need the same grace benefit. For, we will still have our flesh with us as we work out our salvation here on earth. That same freedom also allows a soul to reject the Gospel. That is what freedom does.

We must learn to walk in the Spirit. To walk in God's grace! Thus, bringing freedom to our soul to think with the truth that we must always be learning from God's Word. We must find by God's leading good teachers. Not theorists ... But, those by the gift given by God will show "the sober ones" what is needed in their days of evil.

grace and peace.....
 
Yes Genez we must go and walk in grace and peace we must also have our efforts in God's hands and we are not save by our efforts but in God's if we pray and put it in his hands. We must do the will of G-d and must do he's plan ! when we do his commands in our hearts we do the most important love thy nieghbor and love thy God and we complete the law and the rest he does for us !

You can choose your future and put in his hands and his will be done as in heaven as on earth. That we will do his plan and thus do what were meant to do before th fall make earth like heaven !

By singing psalms and love him wiht all our heart and love like jesus loved !
 
Free Will is the ability to make choices according to our nature and with God's approval...

Our nature, which is fallen, makes our will not free to do God's will.

Free Will is the ability to make choices according to our Spirit filled nature by means of God's enabling grace.
Those kind of choices He gives His approval for.
 
Our nature, which is fallen, makes our will not free to do God's will.

Free Will is the ability to make choices according to our Spirit filled nature by means of God's enabling grace.
Those kind of choices He gives His approval for.
This puts me in mind of the memory verse I had impressed on me as a young boy:
"THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD". (ROMANS 6:23)

I was taught that sin earns death. The sin of Adam and Eve earned death for themselves and all of unredeemed mankind, and since there is nothing anyone can do to earn redemption it has to be a gift.

Some people don't want the gift of eternal life because they don't believe they need it, and in this they earn death.
 
This puts me in mind of the memory verse I had impressed on me as a young boy:
"THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD". (ROMANS 6:23)

I was taught that sin earns death. The sin of Adam and Eve earned death for themselves and all of unredeemed mankind, and since there is nothing anyone can do to earn redemption it has to be a gift.

Some people don't want the gift of eternal life because they don't believe they need it, and in this they earn death.


Adam was told that when he ate of the fruit he would surely die. He ate.

He did die. But not physically. A physically dead man does not run and hide and put on fig leaves.

This is what needs to be understood. Once understood other aspects of salvation and our spiritual lives can be better understood.

Adam ate the fruit and died *spiritually.*

That is why Jesus said that man needs to be born again.

Romans 6:23? Look at the context of verses 20-23


When you were slaves to sin, you were excluded from the control of righteousness.
What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of?
Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and
have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is
eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ
Jesus our Lord."

As you can see by what I bolded out that they had experienced 'death.' Its not about physical death. We need to be concerned about not walking in the flesh = spiritual death.

When we walk in our ignorance of truth and in the power of the flesh? We walk in spiritual death. Does not have to be malicious. May even be dumb and well intentioned.

In contrast. When we have learned and obtained a rich supply of Bible doctrine,. And, learn how to walk in the Spirit? The Holy Spirit is God. God is eternal life! The gift of God is Eternal life. We are receiving eternal life as we do the will of God for our life.

Sin? We work for wages = spiritual death. We earn death.

God's gift is not a wage. We do not work for it. Eternal life. We are to work in our thinking as to avoid spiritual death, and keep growing in knowledge by grace. Grace is walking in the Spirit.

Some believers who are guilt ridden try doing good works in the energy of their flesh. Religion rules over them. They may do great deeds in the eyes of men. But, they are dead works. Death.

Wages = they work for and earn death.
God's free gift. Not worked for. = Walking in the Spirit and in truth = experiencing eternal life.

grace and peace ........
 
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Our nature, which is fallen, makes our will not free to do God's will.

Free Will is the ability to make choices according to our Spirit filled nature by means of God's enabling grace.
Those kind of choices He gives His approval for.

hmmmm....

Man, before the fall, had the ability to not sin and the ability to sin
Man, after the fall, has the ability to sin and the inability to not sin
Man, after regeneration, has the ability to not sin and the ability to sin
Man, after the resurrection, has the ability to not sin and the inability to sin
 
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